When they need to burn Brown Coal they do. 

They are not allowed Nuclear, they lost a war, trust is the issue.   Germany is to be trusted as much as the UK,s last 4 Prime Ministers.

 

The Car manufacturers or the Unions & any Manufacturers are the rulers.

They can do what they want and when they want.

Defeat devices, senior management, engineers engineers, blame the plebs not the top people.

EU Commissioners are about as much use as Chocolate Fireguards.

 

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The same RECALL as there was on my Corsa Electric that was outstanding while my car was in at the Vauxhall Service Centre / Arnold Clark for the Gear Shifter issue yet they never did while they had it on and eventually i got the recall.

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

13 minutes ago, toot said:

When they need to burn Brown Coal they do. 

They are not allowed Nuclear, they lost a war, trust is the issue.   Germany is to be trusted as much as the UK,s last 4 Prime Ministers.

 

The Car manufacturers or the Unions & any Manufacturers are the rulers.

They can do what they want and when they want.

Defeat devices, senior management, engineers engineers, blame the plebs not the top people.

EU Commissioners are about as much use as Chocolate Fireguards.

Nope, German did have 17 nuclear power plants.

Nuclear power in Germany - Wikipedia 

Yes i know.  Because i can use search engines just like you do.

I now German & British people working in the energy industry, and Hungarian and others from Continental Europe and have family that work for Siemens and others. 

Also working in the Oil & Gas and fuel technologies.

Then why state "They are not allowed Nuclear, they lost a war, trust is the issue. "

 

Incidently, I used to work for Tehalit and Hager Powertech in Germany.

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

If the Federal Republic of German needs Nuclear and clearly they do then nothing to stop them is there. 

They can stop being the one of the high polluting countries of Europe.

 

Scary stuff, of this Motability Leased car.   Not given to people as Geoff says Leased, you pay over your PIP, and pay the advanced payment or get grant help.

You can have a ICE WAV vehicles.

 

Actually cheaper to have an ICE WAV than a EV MPV or Van.

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

7 hours ago, Luckypants said:

I've decided most people are stupid. It is known that currently chargers can get busy on holidays and the like, but people just pile into the same honey-pot charging locations thinking it will be fine, instead of engaging brain and looking for an alternative BEFORE setting off. For instance, Tebay services currently have 2 50kW chargers north bound and there will be queuing on busy days, yet the services before at Burton-in-Kendal have 8x350kW chargers. Guess which one everyone piles into because its 'nice'? One day there will be plenty of chargers everywhere, but until then a little planning would solve a lot of issues.

I must admit that when I read your post here, I was mystified why that might be happening, and I think I have possibly found at least one answer other than the one that springs to mind about the views and provision of picnic tables at Tebay. That could be that a lot of people do not use charging apps like Zap etc and instead do what I did just now to see why that might be, use Google Earth for Burton-in-Kendal shows and it shows a text overlay for Gridserve but the charge stations are located at the opposite side of the car park, not where it indicates it should be. By persevering and looking all over the street view I managed to locate them and it only shows 2 which are Electrocity, so clearly out of date. Doing the same for Tebay and it does however show the charge points in the same location as the text overlay, and it shows 3 bays, not the 2 of Burton-in-Kendal. 

1 hour ago, toot said:

If the Federal Republic of German needs Nuclear and clearly they do then nothing to stop them is there. 

They can stop being the one of the high polluting countries of Europe.

 

Scary stuff, of this Motability Leased car.   Not given to people as Geoff says Leased, you pay over your PIP, and pay the advanced payment or get grant help.

You can have a ICE WAV vehicles.

 

 

 

 

Correct, you can indeed have an ICE wav van, however let's not be hasty to make a judgement aspect on the merits of this video as we don't actually know what the complete picture is. For all we know, it could have been the only van that was available at short notice, or the only option at the time, he did say he had about a year ago, or indeed he might have selected it because it was the cheapest to run, I mean after you all keep on about how cheap EV's are to run when you can home charge, so maybe comments such as those may have swayed their decision-making, because as Geoff said, they wouldn't have loads of money at their disposal, and that fact is re-enforced by the fact they had no house insurance. So let's keep an open mind, like I always do.

 

Its just like the recent ship fire The Fremantle Mantle, there are those who leapt into action and, most strongly defended and argued that EV's did not either start the fire or were even involved in it, and continue to do so, even though there are photos that show a torched Posrche Taycan on board which is a EV. I have always said that it was a strong possibility they were involved in the fire because of the grey/white smoke which is typical of a EV battery fire, if it was just normal ICE or even EV (but no battery pack involved) that the smoke is black and dense because of the plastics involved. For that, we shall have to wait for the official report to be released as to what the actual cause of it was.

I also have no house insurance and an EV but no home charger, just a 3 pin lead.

No Go-funding for me please if it all goes ti-ts up.   Just plant a tree for me, not a Euonymus alatus / Burning Bush. 

 

It could indeed of been the only van available at short notice.

 

Maybe they believed a Vauxhall would be better than the not inexpensive VW Carvelle.

I know the Motability price list off by heart and am watching on the morning of each new quarter for the latest advance payments and what is dropped and what comes in and what new comes up in that quarter.

 

I could not afford the £5,000 plus or £7,000 on an EV van, but then you can get grants for assisting on getting the vehicle and free adaptions and chargers and plenty thought that gives cheap travel. 

They had no idea about public charging, poor range etc. 

 

I have had from Motability 14 leased cars and bought 2 using HP when they used to lend you money.

Then i traded in Ex Motability vehicles since 1980 when i used to buy them sight unseen from a list when automatics hardly featured and you were limited to 12,000 miles a year.  Basically Mini,s then Metros. 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

I watched about half the video which is a lot for me.

 

One observation, a green LED will probably show up as white on a night time photo and also much much brighter than it actually looks to the human eye.

 

Decades ago when I first started installing CCTV cameras with covert Infra Red spotlights on the screen image you could see a white beam like a wartime searchlight but if you were in the field of vision looking at the camera or looking at the scene live you saw nothing but blackness, I could also see the flashing IR beacons of aircraft taking off or landing at Gatwick which were not visible to the eye, all these images or those of leds show hyper bright on a screen image, I test TV remote controls with a smartphone and use it outside as a laser level capture device.

@J.R. No mistaking the Green Light with red center stripe flashing when charging.  Charger Locked in Light or the White lights.

It lights up my front garden.

 

Stellantis Charging Ports and lights are all the same.

Peugeot, Citroen / DS, Vauxhall, probably Jeep & Fiat. 

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

Does it show green and red in a night time shot or very bright white?

 

Even in that shot its showing up very bright but if it lights up your garden it must be.

Car locked and charger head locked in Green,  when charging flashing red in middle of green.

Never had it show white on any Stellantis EV i have driven other than charger not charging and not locked in but then i never used Wall Box PodPoint or other Wall Boxes or set timers for charging, i always start a charger & then stop charging.

The White and Locked in i have never seen. 

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

I have downloaded the owners manual and the attached page give the status for the lights when charging.

 

 

Vivaro Life, v.1 (rev 2), en-VX (Work nr_ PP-156102H_50).pdf

First, text format articles for this fire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-67020502

Regarding the video. I have my opinions of the presenter, but it's not important. So I made it into a spoiler box.

Spoiler

@8:07, Geoff manages to hit all the FUD's of EV "very expensive, hard to use vehicle", despite clearly having driveway "it's not even all that practical to have EV charge point"

The poor father says "it's not the electric, it's the van themselves", says Vivaro van fires. Yet Geoff keeps talks about EV fires.

 

Let's look for ourselves, this does not look like a undercarriage battery fire:

 

Regarding whether it is charging, this is a strange one. They were sure it's not charging, it would needed to be flashing green. But white light also doesn't make sense, because it's "welcome light" as in it should not be always lit. Also looks like the van's interior light is on for some reason.

 

Search "Vivaro fire", there are indeed other news articles about ICE versions of the van catching fire. We know Vauxhall had a few Zafira fire problems before doing a recall.

Odd as plugged in and Charging not started a Green Square, charging starts a red flashing line in the middle of the green and charging finished the Green Square until car unlocked allowing the charger head to be removed. 

RED when a Fault. 

As to the white welcome i must of missed that as blind or daft, the charger port was hard to find in the dark if there was no light from a Public Charger until you got it in.

Nice that the van had it.

 

PS.

It was AC Charging using the On Board AC charger. Under the bonnet.

 The PodPoint is not a Charger just the source of the power.

 

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This is the Type 2 Cable i am using at home with 3 pin charger well cable and timer, but never bee  set as a timer. 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

No, not daft or blind, it might just a newer system/or older system and nothing more to it.

 

Seeing as the batteries are mounted low down under the floor and the van appears undamaged at that level, I doubt that the batteries were involved in the fire, it was I suspect more of a conventional car fire than an EV fire. Perhaps further information will come forward in the fullness of time?

Nothing in any Letters in the Motability Lifestyle Magazine or any announcement from Motability on EV Fires or concerns.   Well not yet.

I wonder if it is the same thing as the Vauxhall Zafaira fires?

 

Vauxhall Zafira B cars recalled again over fire risk - BBC News

Surely not,   

An AC Onboard charger issue regarding a car that was charging and that they switched off from charging before going to bed.

 

Possible was always the issue of turning on the Pre Hearing of the car while on a charger or not from the phone app and some fault, 

then that might be like a Zafira issue.

Full owners manual for the Vauxhall 2022 model can be downloaded here Vivaro Life, v.5 (rev 1), en-VX (Work nr: PP-185469E_50) (vauxhall.co.uk)

 

I tried to post as a download, but the file is too large for the forum has set a limit.

2 minutes ago, toot said:

Surely not,   

An AC Onboard charger issue regarding a car that was charging and that they switched off from charging before going to bed.

 

Possible was always the issue of turning on the Pre Hearing of the car while on a charger or not from the phone app and some fault, 

then that might be like a Zafira issue.

I thought that they said that they switched on at a certain time when the cheap rate power was active, what time is that these days? I seem to recall that in the past that used to be quite late, around midnight. So if that is correct, then they had not yet flicked the switch to charge it?

These Recall Actions were out for a long time and i knew about them from forums and the Vauxhall / Arnold Clark Service center said they were unaware when i asked.

People had already been on Youtube showing the issues with smoke in the engine compartment of Corsa Electrics. 

 

This was not reacted to very quickly by Vauxhall or Dealers and Service Staff were dismissive.

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

8 minutes ago, toot said:

These Recall Actions were out for a long time and i knew about them from forums and the Vauxhall / Arnold Clark Service center said they were unaware when i asked.

People had already been on Youtube showing the issues with smoke in the engine compartment of Corsa Electrics. 

Yes, I'm not surprised its like John Cadogan said, certain manufacturers will just try and see what they can get away with, like VW and the diesel scandal, they will try to cover it up if they think there is a chance to get away with it. Fords have done it in the USA as well before now. 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

10 minutes ago, toot said:

These Recall Actions were out for a long time and i knew about them from forums and the Vauxhall / Arnold Clark Service center said they were unaware when i asked.

People had already been on Youtube showing the issues with smoke in the engine compartment of Corsa Electrics. 

 

This was not reacted to very quickly by Vauxhall or Dealers and Service Staff were dismissive.

 

 

In that case the best thing the RAC could do apparently is to disconnect the 12V battery and that should shut down the HV side.