12 minutes ago, Rooted said:

But here is a Red Weather Warning and that is for taking seriously.

The last one 8 years ago and there were people very near with no electricity for days.

The Amber Warning pretty much covers the risk of trees coming down and blocking roads.

 

As usual there are muppets out this morning with no lights or DRL,s only on.

Drains blocking very quickly and much of last weeks flood areas have dried a bit but the roads have big puddles already and the rain has just started.

 

I agree with an amber or red being very serious...just the whole Tesla Dealership attitude of automatically blaming the failure of the battery pack on the fact the the car's owner drove out on a night with a yellow weather warning!...Basically the cars not fit for Scotland!...But in reality its more likely the dealers making B.S. up to get out of coughing up for the new battery pack...It will make for good reading in a Court case on consumer law.."not fit for purpose"..

Front of my house has water pooling now and around the back will be flooded, probably my shed will be in the water and it will be under the houses through the air blocks.

Last time it was after a thaw. 

At least the TESLA driver knows something about H2o & flooding.   I am sure his solicitors can tear a new one for TESLA EDINBURGH & TESLA in general. 

11 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Front of my house has water pooling now and around the back will be flooded, probably my shed will be in the water and it will be under the houses through the air blocks.

Last time it was after a thaw. 

eek!...

 

In all seriousness. If E.V. dealerships are going to routinely use the excuse of "you were driving out in a X weather warning" to find an easy op-out for a failing battery pack....I wonder what will happen when all the emergency services, & utilities companies vehicles have to be electric??...Those vehicles are out in the worst weather....

All  just b0llocks.  Total nonsense & hype.

Thousands, millions of EV,s world wide, no idea how many Tesla but the Dealership Employees, Customer Services or anyone need to get a grip. 

 

As for driving in cold slush, snow etc, again globally there must be millions of EV,s now that have or will be used in those conditions.

 

We are doomed,  all the EV vehicles that are used for Meals on wheels, Nurses / carers / social workers and trades etc in Angus that will not be getting out because of big puddles.

 

Traffic Scotland and roads department EV vehicles (& range extenders) all around Scotland and in the East are surely going to be out and about.

Then the Dundee City Council vans. 

 

 

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Rooted

31 minutes ago, fabdavrav said:

eek!...

 

In all seriousness. If E.V. dealerships are going to routinely use the excuse of "you were driving out in a X weather warning" to find an easy op-out for a failing battery pack....I wonder what will happen when all the emergency services, & utilities companies vehicles have to be electric??...Those vehicles are out in the worst weather....

Exactly what I said in another post the other day. Can you imagine having a house on fire and the fire engine won't be arriving because of the prevailing weather conditions? Utter madness. 

 

Just as well the people that design and build them are not idiots.

 

Not like those that buy them like in Scotland were they get ones too tall, or not tall enough or too heavy. 

That will be Aberdeen / Aberdeenshire in those cases.    (Where Fire Tenders were white.)  or Edinburgh or Emergency Vehicles that have the wrong tyres for the region.

@fabdavrav& i have had those discussions on here in the past, there are threads on the wrong tyres on vehicles like ambulances, fire engines, police vehicles etc.

 

 

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Rooted

It seems just because of 1 story, common sense posting have vacated and wild speculation have prevailed. 

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

What a farce, a go anywhere vehicle that doesn't come prepared for for the basic off roading 🙁

 

Driving underwater is not basic off-roading.

2 hours ago, fabdavrav said:

No, but the the car's owner states they had only driven in to Edinburgh that night & driven through normal puddles, so not "wading"

And of course they are telling the truth, after all its only a £17K bill they are facing and its not as if they have gone running to the media.

 

Oh, hang on a second...................................

32 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

It seems just because of 1 story, common sense posting have vacated and wild speculation have prevailed. 

 

Absolutely and as there have been (to my knowledge) no statements of any kind from Tesla or the garage we have only their alleged comments editorialised by the owner who has admitted responsibility and is seeking to minimise the cost to them.

On 17/10/2023 at 20:39, fabdavrav said:

Tesla model 3 in the UK & driving through 18-24inches of water...car ok.

 

Lets say I was daft enough to drive through a deep flood or ford in my vehicle and hydrolock the engine, Skoda dealer wants what? £10K for a new engine inc labour, do you think my protestations that someone else drove through water without a problem so there must have been something wrong with my car would cut any ice?

 

Do you think the media would be in the slightest bit interested unless I said the magic words EV and Tesla?

 

The only things we know are what the owner alleges, someone who was foolish enough to incriminate themselves by saying they expected to pay £500 - £1000.

 

To me the key word the dealer is alleged to have said is "submerged"

 

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the owners manual yet (no doubt a non printed one!) I only RTFM when all else has failed but even I know mine gives a maximum depth of water and has a pictogram showing that height in relation to the wheels and body cill.

Boat mode 😉

 

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/06/tesla-model-s-floats-boat-video/

 

 

 

Anyone driving through a depth of more than 5 inch is taking a gamble

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Stonekeeper

The vehicle is not floating in the video as inferred, the water is up to the bottom of the door cills on the other vehicles and no higher.

 

An EV has obvious advantages over ICE vehicles when wading but should not be considered impregnable.

That article sprouts some rubbish, yes ICE does have a tailpipe but it does not become flooded unless you don't know how to drive through floodwater, keep in a low gear and let the engine rev and the exhaust pressure keeps the water out. Another mistake is that they claim if water penetrates the battery on an EV, the lithium will burst into flames, which it only does if the lithium is pure lithium, which in the case a EV battery it is not, its a compound. 

 

Does nobody actually check articles for accuracy before publishing it?

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

"This story is too good to check"

Spoken by a journalist acquaintance of mine.

6 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That article sprouts some rubbish, yes ICE does have a tailpipe but it does not become flooded unless you don't know how to drive through floodwater, keep in a low gear and let the engine rev and the exhaust pressure keeps the water out. Another mistake is that they claim if water penetrates the battery on an EV, the lithium will burst into flames, which it only does if the lithium is pure lithium, which in the case a EV battery it is not, its a compound. 

 

Does nobody actually check articles for accuracy before publishing it?

 

 

Sorry Graham you are reading something that hasn't been written

 

Assuming you mean

 

"Obviously we don't know exactly how well-sealed other parts of the Model S are, but it's safe to assume that the battery pack—which contains lithium, which bursts into flame on contact with air or water—is fairly impenetrable. The fact that the Model S has a "bioweapon defence mode" also suggests that the cockpit at least is very well-sealed."

 

It does not say that the pack will burst into flames if water gets in.

 

The sentence says that they assume the battery pack to be fairly impenetrable.  it also states, as you do, that Lithium bursts into flames on contact with water.

 

You changed it by ignoring punctuation.

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

 

Driving underwater is not basic off-roading.

Ok, badly worded but off-roading does also involve water driving even without added snorkel attachments etc.

 

Bing Videos

 

18 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

Sorry Graham you are reading something that hasn't been written

 

Assuming you mean

 

"Obviously we don't know exactly how well-sealed other parts of the Model S are, but it's safe to assume that the battery pack—which contains lithium, which bursts into flame on contact with air or water—is fairly impenetrable. The fact that the Model S has a "bioweapon defence mode" also suggests that the cockpit at least is very well-sealed."

 

It does not say that the pack will burst into flames if water gets in.

 

The sentence says that they assume the battery pack to be fairly impenetrable.  it also states, as you do, that Lithium bursts into flames on contact with water.

 

You changed it by ignoring punctuation.

The point is that they are implying should water get into the battery pack, then the Lithium will burst into flames, which is incorrect, if that was true, then why are various fire depts being equipped with special lancers which can punch a hole in the EVs battery case and then pump loads of water into it to cool the battery pack down. All the experts agree that the Lithium in battery is I believe Lithium Oxide (a compound) and as such it does not burst into flames.   

 

EV Fire Extinguisher Pumps Water Straight Into the Batteries (thedrive.com)

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

 

Lets say I was daft enough to drive through a deep flood or ford in my vehicle and hydrolock the engine, Skoda dealer wants what? £10K for a new engine inc labour, do you think my protestations that someone else drove through water without a problem so there must have been something wrong with my car would cut any ice?

 

Do you think the media would be in the slightest bit interested unless I said the magic words EV and Tesla?

 

The only things we know are what the owner alleges, someone who was foolish enough to incriminate themselves by saying they expected to pay £500 - £1000.

 

To me the key word the dealer is alleged to have said is "submerged"

 

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the owners manual yet (no doubt a non printed one!) I only RTFM when all else has failed but even I know mine gives a maximum depth of water and has a pictogram showing that height in relation to the wheels and body cill.

This is a bit like Apple stating that MacBooks, iPhones etc are not repairable, especially under warranty, if there is any sign of what they call "Liquid damage" which is indicated by special dots on the motherboard etc. It has been proved that these dots, changing colour, do not always prove that liquid has got inside to do any damage.

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

 

Lets say I was daft enough to drive through a deep flood or ford in my vehicle and hydrolock the engine, Skoda dealer wants what? £10K for a new engine inc labour, do you think my protestations that someone else drove through water without a problem so there must have been something wrong with my car would cut any ice?

 

Do you think the media would be in the slightest bit interested unless I said the magic words EV and Tesla?

 

The only things we know are what the owner alleges, someone who was foolish enough to incriminate themselves by saying they expected to pay £500 - £1000.

 

To me the key word the dealer is alleged to have said is "submerged"

 

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the owners manual yet (no doubt a non printed one!) I only RTFM when all else has failed but even I know mine gives a maximum depth of water and has a pictogram showing that height in relation to the wheels and body cill.

 

For starters we are only going on what has been reported in the press.....& you say you'll side with the dealer.....

 

Time & time again many dealers have been found to be refusing known recalls, repairs for manufacture defects etc,, no matter EV or ICE engine...

 

If that Tesla was submerged enough to cause the battery pack to fail to due water immersion, the carpets inside & other items will show water damage....the dealer hasn't stated that, only "there was a yellow weather warning"...therefore the dealer has no proof that it was submerged & is clutching at straws to avoid having to cough up for a new battery pack due to a manufacturing defect!...Skoda VAG, & many others have been known to do the same i.e. refuse to cough up for a manufacturing defect

 

Also as pointed out by others, plenty of other EVs driven in yellow, amber etc weather warnings & no problems!!

I am doubtful on the requirement of a 'new battery pack'  even being required.   But it will 'come out in the wash' hopefully.

 

Like a Taycan Muppet that went on about a £40,000 Battery Pack because of the word on the streets, of the USA and some guy at a Porsche Dealership.

 

£40,000 to him or an Insurance company, or maybe not,

just as TESLA will not be paying them selves £17,000 or the Dealership getting paid that.

 

................

Lets see how many fail in this Red Weather warning, and are insurers going to be rejecting all claims on EV,s requiring replacement batteries that failed while driving on roads open to one and all? 

Not those that go wading obviously.....

 

This was posted here in the past..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Rooted

2 hours ago, fabdavrav said:

the dealer hasn't stated that, only "there was a yellow weather warning"...therefore the dealer has no proof that it was submerged & is clutching at straws to avoid having to cough up for a new battery pack due to a manufacturing defect!...Skoda VAG, & many others have been known to do the same i.e. refuse to cough up for a manufacturing defect

 

The dealer had not stated anything unless you know different.

 

The owner makes claims of what they are alleged to have said and without me reading through the article again did he not say "they effectively said........" ?

Were they 'Handed a bill'   ? or did they get a Quote or Estimate?

 

?

Is the work carried out then, new battery fitted??

 

If i was Billed for something that i had not had or am getting then that would have 20% VAT on it,  Parts & Labour.   Now if i get a Quotation that is exactly that, including VAT.

Edited 19 October, 20232 yr by Rooted

2 hours ago, fabdavrav said:

Also as pointed out by others, plenty of other EVs driven in yellow, amber etc weather warnings & no problems!!

 

Driving in those conditions and choosing to drive through floodwater are very different things.

 

The owner is carefull to paint a story of innocence about his night out at a restaurant, if as he claims the garage claims the battery pack has been submerged its unlikely to have been that evening, the water ingress will have taken quite some while to corrode things to cause a breakdown, you could indeed float a Tesla (except it wouldn't as the cabin is not marine sealed) and have the battery powering the wheels, if you were to end up in a river the headlights for signalling and the window motors for egress would all work and mosts systems continue to do so after the vehicle is recovered but in time they would all fail unless dried out, corrosion removed and neutralised and the PCB's conformal coated (I think that was the term) I have experienced many that I have saved from water damage only to fail later on.