I've decided most people are stupid. It is known that currently chargers can get busy on holidays and the like, but people just pile into the same honey-pot charging locations thinking it will be fine, instead of engaging brain and looking for an alternative BEFORE setting off. For instance, Tebay services currently have 2 50kW chargers north bound and there will be queuing on busy days, yet the services before at Burton-in-Kendal have 8x350kW chargers. Guess which one everyone piles into because its 'nice'? One day there will be plenty of chargers everywhere, but until then a little planning would solve a lot of issues.

1 hour ago, Luckypants said:

I've decided most people are stupid. It is known that currently chargers can get busy on holidays and the like, but people just pile into the same honey-pot charging locations thinking it will be fine, instead of engaging brain and looking for an alternative BEFORE setting off. For instance, Tebay services currently have 2 50kW chargers north bound and there will be queuing on busy days, yet the services before at Burton-in-Kendal have 8x350kW chargers. Guess which one everyone piles into because its 'nice'? One day there will be plenty of chargers everywhere, but until then a little planning would solve a lot of issues.

That's fine if both are actually on your way, but if it involves deviating away from your route, then that itself can create a host of other unwanted problems. The truth is that by the government's own admission, they are just not installing charge points at anything like the daily rate that is required to be able to hit their own self-imposed target date of 2030 and that's one reason for the push back to 2035.

2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Had a quick look through Screwfix power generators, all the portable ones are 3 kW. You'll be waiting for a very long time if you hope to recharge your EV with 3 kW. Even non portable 8 kW will take a long time. It's not much faster than overnight home charging at 7 kW.

 

For context, Ioniq 5 or EV 6 can charge up to 290 kW, Tesla long range trims can charge up to 250 kW. Most EV rapid charge over 80 kW these days. Even my 9 years old Leaf rapid charges at 50 kW.

 

 

Re queueing, dedicated Gridserve sites have roughly the correct idea. They use petrol station-like layout. Could do with longer approach as space for queueing. I estimate there's around 3-5 car spaces behind each row of chargers.

Also good is that when exiting from charge point, one goes around back of the building and there is plenty of parking spaces. This removes the dilemma where the car charges too quickly and family member not ready to go. If there's space to move the car, people are more willing to do best practice and vacate the charging spot.

Although from picture, I think one has to loop around once to get to charging entrance and then loop again to exit. Not sure what if there will be grid-lock if queue comes out of the charging area.

 

 

 

That is a good layout arrangement for the charging, if the unthinkable should happen, it is unlikely to spread to adjacent cars, whereas the cars parked end on to the kerb are a tad too close and you see many chargers where you have to park in this fashion.

Keep up at the back.

The push back was when you could no longer First Register an ICE Vehicle.

The coming years requirement to reduce the vehicles you do register that were nor zero emissions is still in place.

 

BUT,

now it looks like the Manufacturing Countries of vehicles have the EU looking at relaxing the Euro 7 emissions requirements.

 

So the Fabia might be able to stay affordable as other Small / Middle sized cars without electrification might.

Not cheap, just not that expensive that they would have no buyers.

 

Lets see when the next UK Government are formed how they bring in income fro motorists in the 5 years or so they might be in power.

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

With carrying all this extra weight around with you all the time, not only will you  maybe have no boot space left, but your miles per kwh will suffer. 

 

If you removed the fuel tank and its heavy contents from an ICE powered vehicle it would have more luggage space and do more MPG.

2 minutes ago, toot said:

Keep up at the back.

The push back was when you could no longer First Register an ICE Vehicle.

The coming years requirement to reduce the vehicles you did register that were nor zero emissions is still in place.

 

I know that, but in a recent interview, the PM said that they were not installing enough chargers to meet the requirements for all new car sales to be EV only by 2030. I take that to mean that they need the extra 5 years in order to enough chargers installed so people can find one when they need one, otherwise charge rage really will become an major issue, we see fuelling rage when liquid fuel is scarce for instance. 

4 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

If you removed the fuel tank and its heavy contents from an ICE powered vehicle it would have more luggage space and do more MPG.

Don't forget the weight of the battery more than compensates for the fuel tank and its contents, and of course with an ICE, as you drive the weight is getting less all the time, with EV, that is not happening, you are always carrying around the full weight.

So did the Home Secretary and the Business Minister.   13 years of a Tory Government.

 

Take it as meaning what you want. 

 I take everything out of their mouths with a big pinch of sodium.    Arse & Elbow as far as it concerns them.   London Centric.

 

More price cuts announced in new TESLA.  

 

This was posted in a thread in the Yeti Section.

 

 

Time will tell how things go in the UK and the EU but one thing certain is that it will not be Rishi Sunak or any of his clique leading the way.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

The thing one has to remember is that PM may be saying stuff to push his change of government commitments.

 

These days there is so many alternative charging options for plan B/C/D/E, all it needs is to glance on a map.

 

 

11 minutes ago, toot said:

This was posted in a thread in the Yeti Section.

 

That looks like a very old VW.

 

And look at what the video poster is saying 🤯

54 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That's fine if both are actually on your way, but if it involves deviating away from your route, then that itself can create a host of other unwanted problems. The truth is that by the government's own admission, they are just not installing charge points at anything like the daily rate that is required to be able to hit their own self-imposed target date of 2030 and that's one reason for the push back to 2035.

Did I not say 'the services before' i.e. both are north bound on the M6. You are being deliberately obtuse when confronted with a fact. 

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

With carrying all this extra weight around with you all the time, not only will you  maybe have no boot space left, but your miles per kwh will suffer. 

 

My Allpower s2000 Pro weighs 14.5 kgs so not heavy. Could pack 2, 3, 4 in the boot. Most of these units can daisy change one way or another too.   Put an extra psi in the rear boots and no issue.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-44537877 

5 years pass, 6 since their big launch / photo opps in 2017. Links at foot of the article.

 

That dude in the picture that is now the First Minister of Scotland was the Transport Minister, & the Justice Minister. 

He was done for no insurance driving north of Inverness. (Just a domestic matter, Lots on his plate.  Snouter.)

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38234763

 

 

The ELECTRIC A9 is still Sh!te in 2023 for EV Rapid Charging between Perth & Inverness and also further north.

But then the A9 is ****e for any drivers or cyclists pretty much anyway north of Perth. 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

36 minutes ago, toot said:

So did the Home Secretary and the Business Minister.   13 years of a Tory Government.

 

Take it as meaning what you want. 

 I take everything out of their mouths with a big pinch of sodium.    Arse & Elbow as far as it concerns them.   London Centric.

 

More price cuts announced in new TESLA.  

 

This was posted in a thread in the Yeti Section.

 

 

Time will tell how things go in the UK and the EU but one thing certain is that it will not be Rishi Sunak or any of his clique leading the way.

 

 

 

 

 

I share your sentiments about taking anything any politician says with a large pinch of salt, they will change their minds and story at the drop of a hat if it means they gain popularity and maybe retain their job.

 

Watching those 2 videos I have these comments to make on them, in the first one, are we certain that the VW car that crashes into the bus actually is an EV? If it was a Tesla it would be a proven case, but in this incident, I'm not so sure?

 

In the second video, he raises some good points and are the points that I feel that many people buy into the EV ethos because they think that they are helping to improve their air quality, particularly in large cities. But as the video points out, that while is true, they are more than likely, still polluting the air but remotely, so someone else has to suffer the emissions and then there are the emissions and toxins released in the mining of the minerals required for the batteries etc.

 

Like I say, the technology is still very young and is developing at a rapid pace, we do not yet fully understand exactly what the full implications are going to be pitching that against ICE, we do understand the implications of it, we have come a long way with reducing emissions from them and can do a lot more if politicians bite the bullet and place a ban on large capacity engines and introduce E fuels, we can become carbon-neutral.

 

 EV makers are also not really helping the planet by the way they keep producing high power cars with stupidly high HP outputs and blistering performance in terms of pure speed and acceleration. If they were to focus more on producing cars that had more sensible HP outputs coupled with a higher ratio final drive and thus higher range per charge and less acceleration, then costs would be reduced, and more importantly insurances as well.

 

Like the presenter said, I think there is a place for both EV and ICE in the modern world, and I feel that it should be down to consumers to decide for themselves which cars best suit their requirements.  

Synthetic fuels are coming but using resources to produce, electricity or crops from what ever source and Germany has not enough as it is from their own country, 

or Oil, Gas , Coal or Nuclear.  

So all the gear and ideas and need to import and outsource.   So the tail wagging the EU needs really to wake up and stop being Europe,s dirty dog.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

That looks like a very old VW.

 

And look at what the video poster is saying 🤯

Exactly my point, it is fake news by someone who may be an EV hater, we really don't know for certain, either way it is giving EVs a worse name unnecessarily. 

43 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

My Allpower s2000 Pro weighs 14.5 kgs so not heavy. Could pack 2, 3, 4 in the boot. Most of these units can daisy change one way or another too.   Put an extra psi in the rear boots and no issue.

 

Agreed, but then you do happen to have a more sensible priced and HP powered car, there are those with dual motors and massive big f**koff HP outputs and battery packs that weigh so much more.

15 minutes ago, toot said:

Synthetic fuels are coming but using resources to produce, electricity or crops from what ever source and Germany has not enough as it is from their own country, 

or Oil, Gas , Coal or Nuclear.  

So all the gear and ideas and need to import and outsource.   So the tail wagging the EU needs really to wake up and stop being Europe,s dirty dog.

Yes, but the same can be said for most countries, the UK for instance is not self-sufficient for oil, gas or electric, so we are no better in that regard, so we are likewise producing pollution in other parts of the world in order to have cleaner air here, and yet we are all still producing greenhouse gasses and adding to the global warming effect.

26 minutes ago, toot said:

Synthetic fuels are coming but using resources to produce, electricity or crops from what ever source and Germany has not enough as it is from their own country, 

or Oil, Gas , Coal or Nuclear.  

So all the gear and ideas and need to import and outsource.   So the tail wagging the EU needs really to wake up and stop being Europe,s dirty dog.

 

Pretty certain that Porsche have a synthetic fuel facility in south America...  at Haru Oni in Patagonia, Chile.  It uses carbon dioxide from corn or scrubbed from the atmosphere plus hydrogen from electrolysis of water to creat e-fuel using wind power.  A couple of links below...

 

Haru Oni hydrogen plant (siemens-energy.com)

 

Haru Oni - HIF Global

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by skomaz

1 hour ago, Luckypants said:

Did I not say 'the services before' i.e. both are north bound on the M6. You are being deliberately obtuse when confronted with a fact. 

No, because I said its fine if the charging points are on your route, which in your case they are, but so often they happen to be a few miles of the route. The most direct route might be to keep to the "A" trunk road or the motorway and the alternative charging point might require you to leave that route and enter a town etc that sits a few miles to the side of that route and that is where the problems might happen with traffic, roadworks etc what I was getting at. So no, not being deliberately obtuse, it was that you misunderstood what I was saying.

11 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

Pretty certain that Porsche have a synthetic fuel facility in south America...  at Haru Oni in Patagonia, Chile.  It uses carbon dioxide from corn or scrubbed from the atmosphere plus hydrogen from electrolysis of water to creat e-fuel using wind power.

That was also my understanding as well. The power for producing the E fuel has already been stated would be coming from a mix of solar and wind in general so the production of E fuels can be very green indeed, what they have to do is industrialise its production. 

@skomazYes south America energy and crop rich hence ethanol fuels.     So Germany is not so Imports needed and like outsourcing electrics and manufacturing to Hungary which is Energy Rich and cheap labor as long as Putin and Viktor Orban are in power.     

@Graham Butcher do you know anything about Germany and how the Gas from the South to Austria and Germany can be cut anytime.    They need NATO and UN and others support because they are no Super Power and lacking in energy power and need it from others.   They are not to be trusted with nuclear power.  Germany needs the money to be doing deals to have what they need from other Nations. 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

5 hours ago, Luckypants said:

Tebay services currently have 2 50kW chargers north bound and there will be queuing on busy days, yet the services before at Burton-in-Kendal have 8x350kW chargers.

Most people I know stop at Tebay for reasons (yes plural) other than "just refuelling". They only stop at Burton in Kendal if they are out of fuel or need a "comfort stop" right now.

13 minutes ago, toot said:

@Graham Butcher do you know anything about Germany and how the Gas from the South to Austria and Germany can be cut anytime.    They need NATO and UN and others support because they are no Super Power and lacking in energy power and need it from others.   They are not to be trusted with nuclear power.  Germany needs the money to be doing deals to have what they need from other Nations. 

Yes I do know about Germany, I used to work for a Germany company and have spent some time working over there as well. While they might not have much gas of their own, they do possibly have the potential to produce loads of the stuff. They have some of the largest open coal deposits in the world there and new ones being opened up.

 

They are being forced to open more mines as they decided to phase out nuclear power for safety reasons and because of the war(s) that Russia keeps creating. Maybe they can find a way of extracting gas from the Lignite which will be cleaner. 

 

 

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