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There is a complex initialisation sequence with the Li-on low voltage battery. I think there is a fault somewhere that caused LV problems, this meant the LV protection kicked in and has to be reset.
 

This guy’s car also had to have a new main computer a few months ago. Car might have been a lemon. 
 

Tesla should have been much quicker in response. There is no excuse when it is clearly warranty issue. 

 

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Depending upon how hot their exhausts were when diving into that cold water, the emissions tests next mot time will be interesting with possible failed catalytic converters

I enjoyed the video, I wish I had such a river crossing near me.

 

The Toymotors and Itchipussies showed the world how it should be done, some great mastery of the bow wave, some others not so good but the Jap 4x4's are so good they tolerated it.

 

What was the (silver?) hatchback at around 8 minutes 30 that really looked like it shoudn't have got through but did?

 

Crazy how some drivers just plunged in despite the depth markers and no doubt having seen all the 4x4's lined up to extract and the people filming.

6 minutes ago, J.R. said:

I enjoyed the video, I wish I had such a river crossing near me.

 

The Toymotors and Itchipussies showed the world how it should be done, some great mastery of the bow wave, some others not so good but the Jap 4x4's are so good they tolerated it.

 

What was the (silver?) hatchback at around 8 minutes 30 that really looked like it shoudn't have got through but did?

 

Crazy how some drivers just plunged in despite the depth markers and no doubt having seen all the 4x4's lined up to extract and the people filming.

That was a Vauxhall Corsa Petrol powered.

4 hours ago, J.R. said:

I enjoyed the video, I wish I had such a river crossing near me.

 

What was the (silver?) hatchback at around 8 minutes 30 that really looked like it shoudn't have got through

 

 

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19 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Having said that, look at this video about the chaos with flooding on the roads, at about 2:30 in the video, is that MG electric, I think it must be, thoughts?

He takes a new approach to "drifting". 😋

I guess thats because the bottom is pretty much flat like a barge hull, no transmission tunnel, no space for exhausts, (no driveshafts?) do they continue the flat floor under the bonnet with an undertray perhaps?

@Rootedand @J.R.I've heard from Boss Fox and here's the definitive word on the YET1 plate and the YetivRS;

"<Facebook tag removed> Hi Lee, the YET1 plate is on my Mum's 2017 Skoda Yeti and the VRS project is currently in bits part way through a rebuild after en engine fire, but with racing it's probably not cost effective to finish it as I only do 2 track days per year now."

 

Damned shame IMO but maybe one day it'll get rebuilt. So his family has had at least three Yeti's. His and his wife's 2012 red ones and his mum's 2017 grey one.

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When was "cost effective" ever a consideration for the Master! 😀

 

If he is racing now I can see why the project has stalled, he has found a regular source for his adrenaline addiction.

Did that mg4 float… it looked like it for a bit, which is not good. As for lots of the higher cars, why didn’t anyone tarp the grill I wonder.

Yes the MG did float and drift a bit, maybe the flat underside with the batteries caused that to happen, now the question is will his battery fail as a result of any possible water intrusion as it was certainly under water there.

9 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

Perversely, this is true however the current climate change situation is not being helped by of these huge wildfires and some countries laying waste to huge rain forests and there are lots of these forests being consumed. Many of these so-called wildfires have been started deliberately by arsonists, allegedly. 

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As i posted i did wading in the Corsa Electric and plenty others do.

Is there water intrusion to batteries without prior damage? 

Just had this video pop into my suggested viewing, so the question is if salt water did this to these electric cars, and the fire services around the world will dump an electric car that is runaway mode, into a water bath to submerge the batteries and cool them down enough to put the fire out. Then what is likely to happen to all of these electric cars that have been stuck in the recent floods or driven through flooded fords like we saw in the recent videos where the batteries have clearly been underwater and the Tesla that Tesla are charging that couple with a £17,000 bill to replace their alledged  water damaged battery?  

 

 

Any more on the Tesla in the Edinburgh area & the BILL for £17,000.

 

Not many cases of Flood ruined EV,s coming up so far & the media articles in the Edinburgh one never gave many examples of others. 

 

They will be too embarrassed to tell maybe....

 

 

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Plenty of Tesla's SORN though.

The Usual, prestige cars.  Accident damaged awaiting parts, owners life abroad part time, lease / hire / corporate cars. 

Maybe awaiting new high voltage batteries or something like that. 

4 years production / importation to the UK and look how many on SORN,

and how many no longer registered.  Dead parrots. 

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Anything even with disposable batteries will start rapid galvanic corrosion if immersed in salt water, I have had dive lights fail at 40m and when opened up afterwards there was little but black sludge remaining inside, same with a cheap headtorch I foolishly tried to use when snorkelling in the dark.

 

By comparison I had a Nokia telephone vibrate off my countertop into a bowl of washing up, it happened while I was out and somebody rang, I returned home hours later looked for the phone and saw it looking up at me, the display was still showing the missed call. After removing the battery and drying ot out it worked fine for another couple of years before finally failing probably due to the immersion.

 

In the video he talks about submarine mode failing, there is no such thing as submarine mode and anyone who uses an EV to launch a boat is a fool, you can extend that to any vehicle other than perhaps a ratty 4x4 pick up truck.

 

He also describes the battery box ventilation which disabuses the nonsense you posted earlier that the battery boxes should be sealed and suffer no water ingress when submerged, a shame he didn't expand on it and explain the partial vacuum generated by the rapid cooling which would suck the water in even faster.

Mericans annoy me.   They just use random terms.  A 'tow truck tows',  it might lift and tow. 

It might be a Recovery truck that tows, or a recovery truck that carries the vehicle.  The EV,s were towing water craft.

Not that difficult a concept. 

I was just looking through the electric hub section of my Regit program and I came across this little nugget which clearly shows one of the reasons for the EV slow take up currently.

 

Among the many challenges in the transition towards electric cars, it’s for those without access to off-street charging. 

According to Vauxhall, 40 per cent of households don’t have access to off-street charging, whether that be from a lack of driveway or if using a communal car park. That number increases to 60 per cent in urban areas. 

Currently, most EV drivers conduct the majority of their charging when their car is parked overnight, but if that’s not possible as off-street charging is off the cards, what are your options? Here’s what you need to know about on-street EV charging. 

Do on-street chargers exist?

Yes, there are a growing number of on-street chargers. The government established the On-Street Residential Charging Scheme (ORCS) in 2017, and this provides funding for those unable to charge their EV at home. The government set aside £15m for the 2023/4 financial year for local authorities to use to install such points on the streetside. 

It is ultimately down to local authorities if they install chargers, however. A recent survey from Vauxhall found that 72 per cent of councils have no published strategy for on-street charging, while just as shockingly, 69 per cent of councils are yet to install a single charger on the street. Currently, most on-road EV chargers are located in major cities, with London having a particularly high quantity of units available.  

 

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What types of on-street EV chargers are available?

On-street chargers depend on location and the type local authorities have elected to go with. These chargers tend to be slower, however, with most being around 3kW. On a typical EV, such as a Peugeot e-208, you’d need to be plugged in for around 14 hours for a full charge. 

Some might be quicker, up to around 7kW, which could bring the charging time down to around seven hours – plenty if the car is parked overnight. If you’re lucky, you might be able to find faster rapid chargers, reducing the time to around half an hour, though these are rare when it comes to on-street units. 

The chargers themselves come in various shapes and sizes. Some are integrated neatly into lamposts, while others can pop up out of the kerb when activated. Others look like more conventional charging points. 

 

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There are various firms that specialise in kerbside EV charging, with some of the biggest names including Char.gy, Connected Kerb and SureCharge. 

How do I find out where on-street chargers are in my area?

If you’re new to electric car ownership or are wanting to see where your closest electric car chargers are, the app ZapMap should be your first port of call. It’s a free service that has every charger across the country logged.

It can help you find any type of charger, but has a specific filter for ‘on-street’ chargers. As we’ve mentioned, not every town has these installed as it’s ultimately down to the local council. London is by far the most populated when it comes to the availability and sheer number of kerbside charging points. 

Can I ask my council to install an EV charger on my street and are grants available?

Councils and local authorities have various grants available to them for if they want to install on-street chargers. As we’ve mentioned, there’s the government’s ORCS scheme that funds up to 60 per cent of the cost of installing a charger, capped at £7,500 per unit or £13,000 if the costs of connection are “particularly high”. 

Ultimately, a council will only install and go to the expense of installing on-street chargers if they think there is enough demand – the ORCS is a demand-led scheme after all. So if you don’t currently have a nearby charger, you should get in touch with your local authority, and ideally get a group of people from within your local area together to show that you need a charger and that it would be used. 

The process will be different for each local authority, but you can register interest through external firms like charge point operator Char.gy, while Vauxhall has recently launched an ‘Electric Streets’ campaign. With this, it is collating a nationwide map of where current and future demand exists and is sharing this with councils. There’s no guarantee that councils will install an on-street charger, however. 

 

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If I can park outside my house, can I just put the cable across the footpath?

Ultimately, you shouldn’t just drag the cable across the footpath, even if you can park your car right outside your house, such as on a terraced street. That’s because the cable could be a trip hazard to those walking by, bringing potential liability issues. 

According to the Highways Act 1980, you shouldn’t cause any obstruction on a highway or street, which a cable has the potential to do. Councils have the power to remove cables if they believe they’re causing an obstruction too. 

You could look at creating a cable channel in the pavement outside your house to hide away the cable, or a cover for the cables, but again neither of these are recommended where possible. 

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

You could look at creating a cable channel in the pavement outside your house to hide away the cable, or a cover for the cables, but again neither of these are recommended where possible. 

I can see local councils providing a cable channel service in much the same way they will drop the kerb outside your house for a fee and if they agree to do it for you.

Doesn't stop a variety of DIY ramps getting put up by people to get them up the kerb more easily, but a proper dropped kerb is handy.

41 minutes ago, EnterName said:

I can see local councils providing a cable channel service in much the same way they will drop the kerb outside your house for a fee and if they agree to do it for you.

Doesn't stop a variety of DIY ramps getting put up by people to get them up the kerb more easily, but a proper dropped kerb is handy.

That is what I would have expected but when I read that article it doesn't read as that. First reaction was, the lack of joined up thinking being applied by central and local government 🙄

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Indeed, as article said, around London, I see a lot of on-street chargers with EV-only bays. Combined with often quoted 40% figure, I didn't think it was much of a problem. 

 

I've seen those integrated lamp post charge points. They are very neat and well hidden. Again, problem is other cars parked on the road blocking access. 

 

Unlike dropped kerb, there isn't any way to guarantee the parking spot in front of your house with the cable channel....... Would it make more sense to get people to convert front garden to parking spaces and install dropped kerb? 

I know it would reduce parking space for other people and worsen problem for multi-car owners. But root of the problem isn't cars themselves, it's perception that cars = freedom. I think public transport and car centric view really need solving. 

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