Hi everyone,

 

It's about 6 years since I last wrote on this website. I have had 2 Skodas, an Octavia II 2.0 tdi from 2012 (6-speed manual), and now I have a 2018 Citigo, 60bhp 5-door in white. Quite a change.

I love the Citigo. But after 3 years I have paid for it and want something a bit more luxurious and faster.

 

So Fabia time.

 

Thing is, I really fancy a DSG. Are they reliable? I will be half city driving, half open road. Just want something nice. Probably will be my last car. Well, petrol car anyway.

 

I was in the dealer today, tried to get me to add all these bells and whistles but I said 'no' about 30 times until he gave up.

I just want a Style version with the DSG transmission. I have never owned an automatic before.

 

I tried to buy a Fabia III estate with the DSG but there are not any for sale where I live (I live on the continent). So it's a Fabia Mk.4.

 

Does anyone here really praise the manual , too? The manual on my other Skodas was / is fine.

 

Yours,

 

Steve

7 speed twin dry clutch DSG,s are great.  They best have the dq200 DSG reliable by now as they have 12 years of putting them in Fabias and several experiences of having to sort out manufacturing mistakes.  

Buy the DSG, especially if half your driving is in city.

 

The tsi petrol is very free reving and you will find you need to change gear every few seconds, in traffic.   The DSG works very well with the tsi petrol

Edited 25 February, 20224 yr by SurreyJohn

I've had over 6 years of dsg on Fabias,very happy,no problems.

I have had a DSG Fabia Monte Carlo for 12 months and I love it....both the car and the DSG.

That said, a few years ago a VW dealer said keeping a DSG out of warranty was not to be recommended!

I gather that regular servicing of the DSG is important and I read that the 95bhp engine is best because of its low torque. Happily mine is the 95bhp engne.

Anyway, I intend to keep my present car for many years.

I hope that helps.

Surely this has to win for the best thread title...?

Not keen

7 speed DSG

 

changes up early causing engine to labour unless I use the stick shift

Its stop start cuts the engine whilst car is still moving 

@lichfielddriver Are you talking about DQ200's you drive fitted to TDI engines such as 1.6TDI's in cars the size / weight of Octavias and Superbs?

 

Skoda fitted DSG's to 1.4 TDI 3 cylinders in the Mk3's and they were fine but were the last Diesel Fabia with a DSG. 

 DQ200 DSG as fitted to 3 cylinder 1.0 TSI's or 4 cylinder 1.5 TSI with ACT will not labour and the Stop / Start might well stop the engine before coming to a halt. 

That is how they got the Co2 g/km figures and WLTP / RDE2 results. 

Edited 10 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

@hadleybuff. There is s no is regular service or any servicing of DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG,s.

Thank you for that.

Skoda Dealer says that they are quite relaible which is good enough for me!

My wife had an Arona for a while with the 115bhp 1.0 TSI and dry clutch 7sp DSG. I have a kodiaq with the 1.5 TSI and 7sp wet clutch DSG. I much preferred the way the Arona drove and shifted gears. My only criticism was how short the gearing was as you were in 6th at 30 and 7th from 40mph so the car seemed to Rev pretty high on the motorway. Nothing crazy, say 3k rpm at about 70-75. I’ve driven 5 and 6 speed manual ibizas and fabias with the same /lower hp version of the 1.0 TSI engine and even a manual 1.0 TSI Ateca and the top gear in each of those was longer than it was on the DSG

 

It was still good on fuel though, would easily do 50mpg on a run

 

i enjoy manual cars but my last manual daily was a 1.4 TSI Leon 6sp manual and it had a surprisingly heavy clutch. I don’t miss having a manual daily one bit

 

 

Edited 11 April, 20224 yr by PoloGaz

I have just come back from 'town' in my Skoda 1.0 turbo DSG; starting from a rolling start in 2nd on a slight upgrade for just over a mile I got into 6th at about 40mph and as I went over the crest it changed into 7th when it was pulling 1250rpm at 40 mph on a slight downgrade and then easing back on the throttle the car went into 'ECO'which is effectively freewheel, a mode I have not seen mentioned on here.

I do mainly short runs in quite hilly terrain and average around 44mpg, rising to mid 50's on longer runs; I drive gently and find the DSG very relaxing with barely peceptable changes up and down similar to my previous much bigger car witha 5 speed torque converter transmission; I prefer the economy of the Skoda!

Some years ago I had a VW Golf 1.4 DSG as a loan car which did gallons per mile if pushed and when going uphill and I do find the economy of my Skoda falls in cold weather.

@Plentyrightfoot I read your post in the MK4 register but i did not want to post there & you are the first member i have see in the UK as having one with a DSG.

You commented on stuff you say you have read about them but i have not seen anything about a DQ200 DSG in a Mk4 from an owner.

 

Maybe you could post something here about your car. 

Have the DSG you’ll never look back and you’ll wonder why you didn’t go auto before now. Best of luck what ever you choose.

I have a 2021 Fabia Monte Carlo DSG; I like the automatic gearbox but have reservations about its longevity and on balance woud prefer a good old fashioned torque converter as on my previous SAAB's.

Similarly I have reservations about the longevity of the 1.0 turbo engine but no-one on here has written of their experiences long term or rather highish mileage (say 80 to 100k miles). My local dealer stresses the need to ensure adequate lubrication of the turbo charger unit!

@hadleybuff So you have a Mk3. 

The DQ200 DSG has really been good with lower powered engines in the lighter cars and even heavier ones like the Octavia. 

The 1.0 TSI pre GPF and post GPF seem to be doing OK as well and there are emough that have done higher miles now & that are out of the manufacturers warranty.

 

It would be good to hear the experience of those with a 1.5 TSI ACT with a DQ200 is a Mk4 Fabia.

They should be good as the car is light enough and they are doing OK in the VW Group CrossOvers now after some early issues.

 

PS

I would love to know what your Dealer or the Technician at the dealer wants in the way of lubrication for the Turbo.

Your car comes with 0w 20 FS IV oil and it can be on Fixed or Variable servicing.

 

Maybe he / she thinks it should be on Fixed. 

 ?

Do they want you to sit with the engine running before you turn it off or some such nonsense?

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/477734-10-tsi-115-engine-has-anyone-seen-big-miles-out-of-one-yet

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/494138-10-tsi-110hp-any-high-mileages-already

 

Edited 3 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

The 2019 68 plate octavia dsg exploded at 40,000 miles, skoda fitted new engine FOC

To be honest the car drove awful, and the gear box was a right POS, slow late soggy changes 

I got it back from Skoda, next time it moved was onto a Cazoo transporter 

I made £1400 on it but it was the worst 3 weeks of my car owning life 

 

Ford or MB for me now

6 minutes ago, lichfielddriver said:

The 2019 68 plate octavia dsg exploded at 40,000 miles, skoda fitted new engine FOC

To be honest the car drove awful, and the gear box was a right POS, slow late soggy changes 

I got it back from Skoda, next time it moved was onto a Cazoo transporter 

I made £1400 on it but it was the worst 3 weeks of my car owning life 

 

Ford or MB for me now

 

Sounds like you've been unlucky, IMO. I've found that the DSG VAG cars I've driven at work are rather good, besides one Golf, but that's beside the point.

@lichfielddriver  If the DSG exploded why would they fit a new engine FOC?

 

Your engine was what expired was it not and Fabias do not get diesels since they stopped doing the 1.4 TDI. 

Your DQ200 DSG was fitted to the diesel so really nothing to do with a 2022 Mk4 Fabia with a 1.0 or 1.5 TSI as how they will perform.

 

@AnnoyingPentiumHe has been pretty unlucky with the Superb & Octavia used as taxis. 

Edited 3 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

I stated the fact

 

Ive driven loads of autos, from a Rover P5 to a E250 merc, the gearbox on mine, whichever it was, was crap

Read your post. You stated you had a 2019 68 plate Octavia DSG and it exploded.at 40,000 miles.

The DSG never exploded.

 

But @lichfielddriverit was fitted to a crap 1.6 TDI.    Some crazy 20% failure rate suggested here which is nonsense.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/502054-i-am-the-1-in-5

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/502505-engine-failure

 

So a DQ200 DSG but there the similarity stops.

Edited 4 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

On 03/07/2022 at 14:33, roottoot said:

@Plentyrightfoot I read your post in the MK4 register but i did not want to post there & you are the first member i have see in the UK as having one with a DSG.

You commented on stuff you say you have read about them but i have not seen anything about a DQ200 DSG in a Mk4 from an owner.

 

Maybe you could post something here about your car. 

Hi it’s a Mk4 Monte Carlo Dsg, I had a Fabria scout Dsg diesel 184 before, that was a very nice car and surprisingly quick. The gear change is far better on the Fabria and pulling away from standstill is easier the Octavia  could be tricky at times often  resulting in kangarooing !! I drove my wife’s Kodiaq 2.0 diesel Dsg that had the 7 speed box and that was  a nicer drive than my Octavia which had the 6 speed wet clutch box.

I did quite a bit of research a few years ago before purchasing two Dsg vehicles, Octavia and Kodiaq and came to the conclusion that the sealed for life approach adopted at that time in the uk possibility responsible for many of the failures. Wet clutches produce debris as they wear, not replacing the filters or oil was ill advised. I believe this approach was not universally adopted and many countries serviced the gearboxes. 

@Plentyrightfoot

The difference with your 6 and 7 speed wet clutch DSG's are there is a single oil in them.      (DQ381's are now shown with a Oil change at 80,000 miles. some are still doing at 40,000)

The DQ200 DSG 7 speed twin clutch has 2 oils, so in the box and in the MCU.

 

Wet Clutch DSG's have never had a no oil change or filter change guidelines or schedule if they have one in the UK or anyplace. 

 

There certainly can be bits (dust / stoor) in the clutch area of DQ200's and there are people that change one or both oils. 

There is no schedule or recommendations from VW Group globally to change the oil.    So not adopted by  the VW Group or approved repairers / main dealers.

(There was the Global Recall in 2012 excluding Europe & the change of oil from synthetic to mineral and the extended warranty in some world regions, 

but never any change from VW group since on the Servicing.)

 

Pictures in here.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/471908-dsg-box-oil

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

I did my research on here and it would appear that it wasn’t been done in the uk.

People had been told sealed for life units !! No filters …. On units; I read a thread on here where a guy replaced the filters and was surprised how accessible they were.

 

As a ex Porsche cars technician then 30 years fast jet technician with experience in early failure detection and morphology. Mine will be changed on time and once out of warranty I’ll be doing it myself and filtering the old fluid then checking it with a magnet for obvious debris. 
 

What’s the code for the latest 7 speed box in the 1.5 Monte Carlo?

Wet Clutch DSG's have never had a no oil change or filter change guidelines or schedule if they have one in the UK or anyplace. 
 

Can you please clarify, was there a scheduled service for wet clutch Dsg in the uk or Europe?

 

Thanks root toot for the service interval information 👍👍