He is right on fire.  And pays for his source of road fuel unless he maybe runs on WVO.   I am sitting another 10 minutes and will be charged for free and it will get 130 miles or so before the next free charging. It obviously costs others for us to be lucky like this.  I see the solar panels, and the wind farm but no idea if the electric in the storage battery came from there.   I will just stick to the speed the traffic around me is going at and if I want to donate to the Ukraine I have the money I saved from buying fuel to do so.  

Edited 23 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

3 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

The only way any consumer can use 100% certified renewable energy is if they are connected to a (non existent) parallel version of the National Grid.

 

I have no doubt they PAY for 100% renewable energy to be placed ONTO the National Grid, but that is not the same as USING 100% renewable energy.

 

The electrons don't know who paid for them to be placed onto the grid, they just take the path of least resistance meaning whatever you pay for is unrelated to what you use and is determined by the combination of network path resistance and generating sites closest to you able to meet the demand.

 

Anyone who says they USE 100% renewable energy because they PAY for 100% renewable energy simply does not understand how the flow of electricity works, and if the make public declarations that they use 100% renewable energy then they are guilty of false advertising.

 

The UK has a National Grid and has quite a large scale pump storage hydro-electric 9 GWh storage and 1.73 GW release in the Dinorwig station and it is quite reasonable to consider, always helped me get through my Science BSc, OND in Mech Eng to think of electricity as water, Volts as height, Amps as mass throughput when these EV chargers are connected to the Grid, sometimes via massive local lithium batteries of several MWh like with GRIDSERVE yes it is one common system and one electron going in from Drax in going in to the system just as an electron from nuclear power station in France or a solar panel in England or offshore wind turbine off the coast of Scotland is all going in to the UK Grid Pool. 

 

To me, who also generate my own electricity for my own use via solar, or family members who generate for Feed In Tariff to The Grid, it is just about making it carbon free, using 100% renewable, from the electricity pool as a net carbon zero and as an added bonus having much lower running costs than fossil fuelled vehicle as well as not polluting our fragile planet. 

 

 

 

 

Total crap from Eon Next about 100% Renewables / Sustainable etc.

 

Bio-mass plant in Lockerbie and burning woodchips etc.   

 There really is a con going on with lower emissions while power stations and huge polluters.  

8 minutes ago, roottoot said:

Total crap from Eon Next about 100% Renewables / Sustainable etc.

 

Bio-mass plant in Lockerbie and burning woodchips etc.   

 There really is a con going on with lower emissions while power stations and huge polluters.  

 

 

 

Edited 23 April, 20224 yr by lol-lol

https://www.eonnext.com/renewable

What a con. 

We supply electricity to you through the National Grid. Whilst not all of the electricity produced for it is renewable, we make sure that the bit we take is. We do this through our energy mix and the ways in which we get renewable electricity:

• We generate our own renewable electricity. Our biomass plants in Lockerbie and Sheffield create enough energy to power 100,000 homes throughout the UK.

• We work with other renewable generators, such as wind farms.

• We buy REGO certificates.

And there you have it, validation of what I posted earlier (which you awarded me a groan for!) , hats off to them for their honesty WRT their dishonesty.

On 22/04/2022 at 12:15, Ttaskmaster said:

Far as I can see, the biggest consumption of fuel is when vehicles are doing stop-start journeys, going up and down the speed ranges all the time around urban environments.

 

Speedbumps... not to mention the fact they're annoying.

5 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

 

Speedbumps... not to mention the fact they're annoying.

 

But good for triggering wheelies on motorbikes. 

@J.R.  The groan is for you just assuming that people that sign up to the suppliers are doing so because of what you posted.

There are people who are just looking for getting a deal and maybe offpeak electricity and nothing more than that. 

The electricity is produced by someone somewhere, and what is wrong is the contracts that pay some more not to produce but to be on standby, or those with contracts to supply at ridiculous prices agreed many years ago.

The firing up of coal powered stations this year and the cost of that because the spending is not done on connecting new generation to the grid.

Obviously there are those that suck up the spin.  The Regulators are in the conspiracy with the government.

 

Carbon Trading is the biggest of cons.

Now there is the buying up of land in Scotland for companies Carbon-offsetting and the land prices are going stupid. 

Edited 23 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

10 hours ago, lol-lol said:

my Heathrow office the charge is completely free to me which is the best sourcing of "fuel" to do those road miles and then still claim the 45p tax relief

 

So, have I got this right?

 

You charge your EV for free, then fleece the UK tax payer for the tax relief.    😡

 

Let the moral debate begin…

 

 

 

Edited 23 April, 20224 yr by sneal

 

The tax relief on business mileage includes the total car costs and not just the fuel. But surely if you receive free charging you cant claim the full 45 pence.

When I last claimed I was receiving 18 pence a mile for fuel from my employer and only claiming tax relief on  27 pence per mile(45-18) I suggest Lol lol is supposed to make a similar adjustment. Alternatively free charging should be taxed as a benefit in kind.

Nobody would do that and then boast about it on a forum would they?

 

Answers on a postcard please.............

3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

an electron from nuclear power station in France or a solar panel in England or offshore wind turbine off the coast of Scotland is all going in to the UK Grid Pool. 

Which is why any person or organisation who are connected to the National Grid and does not generate more than the energy they consume who claims that they use 100% renewable energy is quite simply a liar.

 

My power systems lecturer during my Electronic & Electrical Engineering degree was excellent at debunking false claims ☺️

1 hour ago, gkr47 said:

The tax relief on business mileage includes the total car costs and not just the fuel. But surely if you receive free charging you cant claim the full 45 pence.

I await with interest your calculations to show that a Scale electric car has an engine swept volume over 1.4 litres.

2 hours ago, sneal said:

So, have I got this right?  You charge your EV for free, then fleece the UK tax payer for the tax relief.    😡

Let the moral debate begin…

 

The UK tax law is what it is, substantially engineered to keep the wealthy being wealthy but it is also has to be implementable.  My both my London offices have car charging points, over 20 AC outlets, fairly lower powered, but no way of metering who is using how much electricity from any individual charge point.

 

So one get quite a few thousands pounds in car allowance through payroll but that is taxed at hugely with the income tax and NI which has never been higher than it is now for most workers and one is entitled to claim the difference in the 45p per mile up to the first 10,000 miles, 25p after 10k miles, with the pence per mile one claims.  I claim nothing as I have a fuel card so I am entitled to claim the tax relief on the 45p per mile difference which is a mere 9 pence if, in the tax year, I am in the 20% tax on income bracket or 40% for higher tax bracket and this works by raising my tax code by say, £4,500 so I do not start to pay income tax until I cross £17K and do not enter the 40% tax band until £54.570.

 

Electricity is still not technically classed as a fuel and until HMRC, who I worked for for many years and I have worked in UK and EU indirect tax avoidance for more than 3 decade.  Worked as an auditor and even lead prosecuting officer in some cases with HMCE, as was.

 

Biggest tax avoidance scheme personally is still the avoidance of PAYE income tax and the old and new NI level is the diverting of up to £40k per year in to pension fund up to ones £1.1M lifetime allowance.  All approved, published and done in plain sight of HMRC.  Everything is tax eventually, it is just putting off the date and reducing the impact.  Sunak knows all about such measures and has used them himself.

<two pence>

 

Okay so hawd the bus here...

 

How can we go from driving slower for the overall benefit of the Ukrainians, allegedly, to discussing @lol-lol's moral compass/decision making?

 

I feel like there's a time and place for the latter and I don't think this is it.

 

</two pence>

12 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

<two pence>

Okay so hawd the bus here...

How can we go from driving slower for the overall benefit of the Ukrainians, allegedly, to discussing @lol-lol's moral compass/decision making?

I feel like there's a time and place for the latter and I don't think this is it.

</two pence>

 

I paid over £1,600 in income tax and NI this month alone, I think I am paying my bit plus some !!

Avoidance schemes are legal and facilitated by HMRC and have massive side benefits to society not just the individual ie result in investment in business via the pension investments !  Millions of jobs depend on future investment.

 

6 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I paid over £1,600 in income tax and NI this month alone, I think I am paying my bit plus some !!

Avoidance schemes are legal and facilitated by HMRC and have massive side benefits to society not just the individual ie result in investment in business via the pension investments !  Millions of jobs depend on future investment.

 

 

Yes I understand and I wasn't criticising that. I was merely pondering how the discussion ties in with dropping a couple of MPHs off the speedo.

This may be new world record.

 

The topic was 20 odd posts into the second page until laughing boy could contain himself no longer, and had to tell us (yet again) the exceeding clever and completely legal tax avoidance process of paying his enormous surplus income into his pension fund.

Congratulations on such unusual restraint.

9 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

 

Yes I understand and I wasn't criticising that. I was merely pondering how the discussion ties in with dropping a couple of MPHs off the speedo.

 

Those of us who have seen a vast amount of history know there is rarely anything new and this Ukrainian war slow down on the roads is a repeat of what we saw with the introduction of the Double-nickel in the US in the early seventies where a Federal law was introduced to override state speed limits and save oil as back then it was fear that a few Arab/Middle Eastern countries were starting to hold The West to ransom.  Lots on this if one looks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

 

Saved thousands of lives in RTAs and along with Carter's EPA minimum fuel consumption figures for cars, else the manufacturer paid huge fines, MPG started to improve.  It is still tragically low with thermal efficiencies still not even 50% and with the switch in investment now to battery, maybe hydrogen, doubt it will ever reach 50% now.  Car could have an aero drag coefficient of less than 0.2 and could weight more like half a ton rather than a ton and a half but governments never were brave enough to push it through and now it is too late.  ICE cars are in their death-throws and quite rightly with the death toll of millions that can be put down to their pollution.  

 

6 minutes ago, BJM said:

This may be new world record.

 

The topic was 20 odd posts into the second page until laughing boy could contain himself no longer, and had to tell us (yet again) the exceeding clever and completely legal tax avoidance process of paying his enormous surplus income into his pension fund.

Congratulations on such unusual restraint.

 

Just wanting people to know what legal schemes are out there and if one wants to put an end to them then vote the right (not-right) way in two weeks time.

 

Oh and I would like to thank the people who voted for BREXIT which has given people who work in customs such a massive increase in work to do but every cloud......

 

Edited 23 April, 20224 yr by lol-lol

15 minutes ago, BJM said:

This may be new world record.

 

The topic was 20 odd posts into the second page until laughing boy could contain himself no longer, and had to tell us (yet again) the exceeding clever and completely legal tax avoidance process of paying his enormous surplus income into his pension fund.

Congratulations on such unusual restraint.

 

20 is definitely a record...   Its usually about 3 before he spouts off about putting cash into his pension to avoid paying tax, or how much he earns, or his little solar generator and battery, or something to do with politics 🤣

26 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

20 is definitely a record...   Its usually about 3 before he spouts off about putting cash into his pension to avoid paying tax, or how much he earns, or his little solar generator and battery, or something to do with politics 🤣

 

You forgot about science degrees being better than arts degree. 

 

I am very sad as I only got a 3.5% pay rise and therefore have a big argument coming up when inflation hit nearly 10% in a few months time and I feel the need to go back to my employer to keep wage inflation closer to actual inflation.  Might have more time on my hands soon if we cannot agree a new deal ! 

2 hours ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

<two pence>

 

Okay so hawd the bus here...

 

How can we go from driving slower for the overall benefit of the Ukrainians, allegedly, to discussing @lol-lol's moral compass/decision making?

 

I feel like there's a time and place for the latter and I don't think this is it.

 

</two pence>

I agree. This has been an ongoing thing for some time and I feel it's about time something was said about it.

 

If anything @lol-lolhas provided some sound and completely legal fiscal advice. Maybe take your grievances up with someone higher up.

His openess on here exposing the ludicrous and, in some cases, unjust system should be applauded IMO rather than mocked.

 

 

 

 

Blowhards should expect to be mocked, and bring it on themselves.

Hope this helps.