1 hour ago, roottoot said:

I have seen my first Octavia iV public charging.  No problem with how long it sits getting a free charge, there are other hybrids and EV's that sit for hours, and some sit all day or night. 

So who is actually paying for "free charge"?

 

No doubt I am contributing somehow 😡 - either through taxes (Gov't nominally pays) or Tesco prices (Tesco nominally pays) . All for the greater good... 🙄

Frack the crap out of the ground where parts of the UK need more energy than it produces now and needs to import and have that expense spread all around the UK. That will be in England. 

Not that it is destined for peoples homes in the UK, but it might be for refining petrolchemicals and road fuels.

 

@snealyou probably are if you are a customer, employee or shareholder with TESCO PLC or VW Group or even an UK tax payer. 

You pay for the UK missing emissions targets as well, and for the capping of energy prices. 

 

Those in the North of the UK are paying for the years of cheap energy for all of the UK from Nuclear which needs billions spent to clean it up.

Now there is about 3 times more energy than Scotland requires being produced with only one Nuclear power station and 1 gas powered and lots of renewables and sadly not enough storage or offpeak use so it is on the Global Market and tariffs & standing charges are as high or higher than anyplace in the UK even with an Energy Cap. 

 

 

Not free Rapid charging, subsidised though as pretty cheap per kWh still public chargers.

 

Edited 20 September, 20223 yr by roottoot

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

Now there is about 3 times more energy than Scotland requires being produced with only one Nuclear power station and 1 gas powered and lots of renewables and sadly not enough storage or offpeak use so it is on the Global Market

 

So, given that Scotland is in the UK, why oh why, is the energy on the global market?

 

No need to answer that, 'cos I know the answer; and that's about a close I'll get to a public rant about the state of the UK, UK politics, privatisation, and all that cr@p.

Coming back towards the original topic, I was surprised over the weekend as to how much impact load and road type has on the fuel economy of my 1.5TSi. About 10-15% worse with four up and boot full on rural roads mix of single and dual carriageway compared to two on board and boot less full with predominantly motorway running.

 

Are EVs and hybrids similarly impacted or does the energy recovery make up for some of it?

4 hours ago, roottoot said:

I have seen my first Octavia iV public charging.  No problem with how long it sits getting a free charge, there are other hybrids and EV's that sit for hours, and some sit all day or night. 

 

I'm always a bit conscious of charging the Octavia on a public charger over those who have a pure electric, but it helps my fuel economy and is that not what we are trying to do? That said I try to avoid shared rapid chargers and it's been hard to get on a charger now - indeed a Leaf owner was queuing the other night and a Tesla was circulating a 2 space charger. I was happy to jump off for the Leaf owner who seemed very distressed! Not helped by the Volvo who had been on 6 hours and was sitting full for the hour I'd been there. Changing to charged tariffs with overstay fees need to be done soon and councils are introducing it quickly as the rise in home electricity prices is seeing more EV owners taking the cheap options. 

 

Free charging is going to end soon enough and those who got in early had a few years of it being good, but the rapid rise in EVs and the energy market costs will kill it, indeed charging issues and costs might hamper EV take up. For me, the PHEV takes around 3 hours and 11kWh to charge from empty-ish to full which gets you around 35 miles of EV range. If I use the nearest paid one to me I pay £0.19kWh. At £7.50-£8 a gallon of fuel, I make breakeven 0.53p kwh where costs mean I may as well use petrol - the charger in Morrisons is currently 57p/kWh. Given rapid chargers (which the Octavia can't use) are already 60p+ and Osprey saying they are now going to £1 kWh that shows the costs of electric now. 

 

 

bump for @mccririck

Edited 2 November, 20232 yr by Rooted