UK Cabinet and Government disintegrates - Javid and Sunak resign, more than a dozen ministers etc and counting...

[Ootohere]

It needs to be just a a new Conservative & Unionist Party Leader & not a General Election.

 

The shortest serving Chancellor & Health Secretary being in for just a few months over the summer.

 

If there is a General Election called then the SNP & Scottish Greens need to be on their game and they are not currently.

ALBA will end up losing their 2 MP's that were elected as SNP ones anyway. 

[@Lee]

Watching PMQs and Johnson's hardly looking like someone who's going to resign. There seems to be no look of shame about him. 
No Gove on the front bench which is odd. Is he next? He's a bit of a schemer and plotter.

Another one resigned https://twitter.com/Jochurchill_MP/status/1544637770169307137

 

Edited 6 July, 2022 by @Lee

[Ootohere]

Michael Gove MP is busy busy busy out Levelling Up.

 

There are 8 potential places to kid on that any of them are getting to have a New Factory for Rolls Royce to manufacture small nuclear reactor parts.

They know where it is going but they think kidding on areas needing the inward investment is simply clever.

EDIT.

Shortlist now only 6 sites.

http://grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-up-michael-gove-visits-7290222

 

http://grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-makes-shortlist-site-new-7290885

 

If they do not get it all signed and sealed there is a chance that things might not go ahead and there are Tories counting on future money to continue their lifestyles once out of politics.

 

PS

Also a Final decision to be made on a coal mine.

http://newsandstar.co.uk/news/20257365.final-decision-whitehaven-coal-mine-due-made-week

 

 

 

Edited 6 July, 2022 by roottoot

[cheezemonkhai]

Whilst I don't disagree with your last post, it would be more dangerous to get rid of him other than through the correct democratic processes.

Countries we call undemocratic would have a field day.

 

I imagine most of the tory party would like to be electable in their life times, so will find a way to update the processes and get rid of him in fairly short order.

 

Edited 6 July, 2022 by cheezemonkhai

[Ootohere]

Democracy in the Tory Party is that Tory MP's can maybe get a PM / Leader to no longer be a PM or their Leader. 

 

They failed last time and now they will try, or some will to change the rules to get him out.

 

The C & U Party Members, Citizens / Population / Electorate can not get the PM out other than at a General Election. 

[@Lee]

Another Ministerial resignation; this time from Stuart Andrew in housing. 

https://twitter.com/StuartAndrew/status/1544647660027760641

Sajid Javid has just said he was lied to over partygate. That could be another nail in the coffin.

[cheezemonkhai]

17 hours ago, skomaz said:

Looks like Sturgeon has passed comment...   With usual independance rider.  

 

The answer is independence and that it is the tories fault....

 

Now what was the question?

 

  

23 minutes ago, roottoot said:

Democracy in the Tory Party is that Tory MP's can maybe get a PM / Leader to no longer be a PM or their Leader. 

 

They failed last time and now they will try, or some will to change the rules to get him out.

 

The C & U Party Members, Citizens / Population / Electorate can not get the PM out other than at a General Election. 

 

You are of course correct, however if they don't change their leader, then the MPs know they will be unelectable for the remainder of their careers. As such I'm confident theyll find a way.

Edited 6 July, 2022 by cheezemonkhai

[@Lee]

Mike Smith of the Daily Mirror.

 

Looks like he'll be in bunker mode. Tap on Read the full conversation for more.

 

 

 

 

[Ootohere]

Nicola Sturgeon MSP / FM can make as many comments she likes about going for Independence as she leads a party that has that as their purpose for existing.

There are even people that elect in the SNP MSP's and Westminster MP's that are not in favour of Independence.

 

There are enough people in Scotland that voted in the 6 Scottish Conservative MP's.

1 of whom is the Secretary of State for Scotland.

He is 1 of only 2 that voted to support the PM in June this year.

 

The story was 'Better together' if you want to stay in the EU.

2014

 

The question was in 2014. 

'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union'. 

 

The problem for Nicola Sturgeon is that there are people that want Scotland to leave the United Kingdom and not join the European Union. 

Edited 6 July, 2022 by roottoot

[lol-lol]

Up to 21 MPs now. 

 

As Lee says if more than 150 state they want him gone perhaps another leadership vote must happen. 

 

Con party now sees most voters have lost trust in them as they are currently configured. 

 

[Ootohere]

21 Tory MP's giving up their additional duties and pay.  No big deal really, they will not need to claim Universal Credit or be getting less NI taken off this month.

  Not resigning as a MP or leaving the Tory Party and crossing the floor. 

 

Will there be Transitional Payments to help them with the financial hit, so for the 2 Secretaries of State that resigned or other Junior Ministers and others taking a drop in income because they resigned.

Edited 6 July, 2022 by roottoot

[lol-lol]

6 minutes ago, roottoot said:

21 Tory MP's giving up their additional duties and pay.  No big deal really, they will not need to claim Universal Credit or be getting less NI taken off this month.

  Not resigning as a MP or leaving the Tory Party and crossing the floor. 

 

Will there be Transitional Payments to help them with the financial hit, so for the 2 Secretaries of State that resigned or other Junior Ministers and others taking a drop in income because they resigned.

 

Wonderful Terms and Conditions.  They also earn pension "years" at more than 3 times the rate of a normal job ie 15 years gives them the full 40 year equivalent pension and presumable that is based on their base salary of MP's salary of £82K a year or 3 best years which if they have been in the government on a £100k pa plus salary then a pension of well over £50k pa private pension is quite likely with only the Red Wall MPs looking like they will have little to feather the nest at the end of all this.

 

[@Lee]

Lara Spirit of The Times has just said "Senior Tory MPs are saying that Chris Heaton-Harris, the chief whip, is telling PM the game is up".

He won't listen. I reckon Sir Graham Brady will have to drag him out kicking and screaming  

[@Lee]

Crikey it's all moving very quickly. Tom Larkin of Sky News now saying a member of the 1922 committee has told him they could get the rules changed as early as later on this afternoon and a fresh VONC could be triggered tonight. 

Life's coming at him fast now. Mims Davies is our old MP and a brexiter. Sent SWMBO some crap letters after she expressed concerns about her residency options in the UK after the vote in 2016.

Liam Fox also now withdrawing his support for Johnson. It's like another one every time you refresh Twitter!

Edited 6 July, 2022 by @Lee

[@Lee]

Petronella Wyatt; Johnson's ex squeeze when he worked at The Spectator. Johnson was fired from his shadow cabinet post by party leader Michael Howard for lying about the affair, as he had initially categorically denied it.

 

[Ootohere]

The best rumour is Michael Gove MP is on the ran dan rounding up the cronies.  Go leader, offski.  

 

EDIT.

Forget that.

 

Supposedly he visited earlier today and delivered his message or was that messages as in something to keep the PM happy. 

 

Does Downing Street Sniffer Dogs have special training not to react in certain situations?

Edited 6 July, 2022 by roottoot

[@Lee]

1 minute ago, roottoot said:

The best rumour is Michael Gove MP is on the ran dan rounding up the cronies.  Go leader, offski.  

Gove has apparently told Johnson to go. His team say he has not resigned but they refuse to comment further. 

So, plotting and scheming then and situation normal for Gove.

[Ootohere]

See my edit.

[KenONeill]

Ok, if losing one Cabinet Minister is misfortune and losing 2 is carelessness, just what is losing 15?

[lol-lol]

2 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Ok, if losing one Cabinet Minister is misfortune and losing 2 is carelessness, just what is losing 15?

 

Resigning in bulk now.  5 at a time.

 

 Boris Johnson latest news: Five more ministers quit in joint resignation - watch PM live

 

Five more ministers have resigned from Boris Johnson's Government as they wrote a joint letter calling on him to quit. 

Kemi Badenoch, Neil O'Brien, Alex Burghart, Lee Rowley and Julia Lopez all put their names to the plea for Mr Johnson to step aside "in good faith".

They wrote: "It has been increasingly clear that the Government cannot function given the issues that have come to light and the way in which they have been handled."

Mr Johnson told MPs at PMQs that he intends to "keep going" despite mounting Tory calls for him to resign. A total of 27 Tory MPs have now quit Government roles since yesterday evening. 

[@Lee]

12 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Ok, if losing one Cabinet Minister is misfortune and losing 2 is carelessness, just what is losing 15?

No idea but someone's noticed that of the 122 MPs with ministerial positions, more than one fifth of ministers have now resigned. 

Same person also noted that the previous record for the most resignations in 24 hours was set in the 1930s. It was 6 resignations and inn the last 24 hours we have had 26 resignations. That may have changed after I hit submit reply  

Edit: Housing secretary Robert Jenrick has submitted a VONC letter.

Edit edit: So has Dehenna Davison

Edited 6 July, 2022 by @Lee

[Ootohere]

Nice to see the Prime Minister infront of the Parliamentary Liaison Committee and behaving himself. 

He must be thinking cut the crap this is non of my business i am out of here shortly and onto earning big money. 

 

So no point him sitting watching the news with his team or calling around hassling people to be sure they fully support him. 

[@Lee]

This Dr is a senior fellow at the Institute for Government. Explainer on that Mike Smith Tweet I posted earlier.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1544683123891478529.html

[KenONeill]

26 minutes ago, @Lee said:

the previous record for the most resignations in 24 hours was set in the 1930s. It was 6 resignations and inn the last 24 hours we have had 26 resignations. That may have changed after I hit submit reply

It was into the 30s of senior positions (not all Cabinet) when I checked the BBC website less than an hour ago.

[ApertureS]

20 hours ago, lol-lol said:

(rest of article behind paywall sadly).

I present to you.... a 12ft ladder.

 

https://12ft.io/

 

Enjoy