So I keep popping onto skoda, keep running the config...

 

Then keep hitting the money bit... skoda finance is 2x volvos rate and a good bit more than ford... windscreen price, good value, total cost, 5k more evens things up a bit... Renault still holding on the 0%, doubt it will hold to the release of the meganne.

 

Incidentally that xc40 recharge 400ps thing is bonkers, so comfortable, not actually driven it yet, dare not. So little range too, tiny boot too

 

However one interesting post from a review on that particular model. If you drive it, and use it, then charge on ionity(?) big fat rapids on m-ways, it works out at an equivalent of 21mpg in petrol cars, before the price hikes of the last 6 months. I don't know the maths behind that, even my man maths find it hard to believe.  So the key to this electric savings is the home charge, that makes sense. I can fit the xc40 on the drive as is, enyaq, no chance. SWMBO front garden is at risk!

 

I've read so many posts and reviews suggesting the iv60 is fine for uk use. It totally is for my weekly, local needs. My weekend blat needs... 200+miles each way... little less convinced. Although I do look forward to the cat naps while charging.  The few on forecourts now... dropping in price weekly, down 2k in 3 weeks some of them. Although they are the 50kwh capped recharge ones. Still compared to saved 80x sportline at release all way over priced, same model now is 10k more in a year and it's a year till you get it.

 

I'm really, really tempted.  But I have a perfectly good 3.5yr old 272ps superb sat outside, it's paid for and owes me nothing, goes well, quite well ;). Has a chance of making 40mpg if taken mostly steady, albeit at £2 a litre for 98/99. I'm really struggling to pony up the extra spend/finance for cheaper running, I can't square it, any "savings" get chewed up in finance, even at 20k down.

 

I was toying of putting it on the company while bik rates are low, but it's still spending money I don't actually need to, to save a few hundred a month on liquid fuel.

 

SWMBO keep reminding me I was only doing all this because it would be good for the planet; despite the while new car bad, I now feel like I'm being swept along by a hidden current... of my own dam making 

 

So, enyaq/worse case motorway recharging/near motorway/dual, whats the likely true running costs, i.e. away from home? 

 

I am missing something obvious on HP/pcp?  (never done either before and I don't trust the snakeman pushing it) That said I don't trust buying one outright and hoping the tech curve/future value curves come out in my favour.

 

A bit of me is saying this is now the worst time to 'switch'.  IDK... paralysed by thinking about it, I miss my old impulsive self.

 

 

69 pence a kWh now.    Max,  69 pence X 60 kWh = £41.40

 

so say that gets to 75 pence in October to charge at 100 kW plus charger.       

 (Claim back 20% VAT maybe on public charging.)

60 kWh to fill the battery. @ 75 pence a kWh is £45. ****

 

60 kWh in the battery and you get 3.5 miles a kWh so you go 210 miles. ****

Cold weather etc etc. 

 

4 miles per kWh x 60 kWh = 240 miles.

4.5 miles per kWh x 60 kWh = 270 miles. 

 

£8.50 a Gallon @ you get 50 mpg so 4.2 gallons.   210 miles ****

£35.70  

 

40 mpg & £8.50 a gallon for 210 miles £44.62

 

.............

Home tariff gets to 40 pence a kWh later this year,  60 kWh = £24 to charge the car. 

 

If you get Off Peak tariff and that goes to 10 pence a kWh then £6 only.

Edited 24 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

Thanks for the detailed reply. I was much cruder in my calcs.

 

even so, to get near mid 21/25mpg equiv 

 

you’d need to be launching full beans on every junction and using top price chargers.

 

off peak is the sort of man maths number I was working on. Given the superb struggles to get to 20mins on local runs to the peak. Too many hills and stop start.

 

I think it’s the idea that if you end up just in public charges the cost benefit in fuel terms alone isn’t that great. Not for the liquid to ev upfront cost difference. 
 

I wanted to put solar and a Tesla battery on the wall at home. Swmbo does not want roof panels. Ground is not even marginal where we are due to neighbours trees. 
 

thing is I really like the pug208 size, style. But don’t like anything about the platform for when out of town. Hehehe. 
 

so a 200+ range and more than 50kw is a base point. A few of the “stock” options fit that, or so they claim.

My 28,000 miles of EV drives in 23 months has cost me under £150 in Electricity.

 

But that is a lot of hours sitting charging on 50 kW chargers getting about 33 kWh max in 60 minutes and on 7 kW chargers free at Tesco.

I only get 3.1 miles a kWh. 

 

Free 50 kW charging is not so wide spread now in Scotland. 

 

Luckily Charge Place Scotland since the change to SWARCO back room control is pretty hopeless so lots of charging can still be done where there should be a fee to pay but the session does not get logged.

That can not last.

 

 

Edited 24 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

@ColinD

With Polestar / Volvo you get the discount charging @ Ionity and i understand from @domhnallposts / vids with the card from Skoda.

 

Others will know who else does this. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 24 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

This is my reality from an InstaVolt a couple of weeks ago, £18.63 to add 105 miles. What does that equate to in mpg of a diesel ?

£18.63 divided by 193 pence a litre for diesel is 9.65 litres, 

105 divided by 2.1 gallons, = 50 mpg. 

 

 

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PodPoint 50kW chargers are still @ 28 pence a kWh where i go Tesco / Lidl etc, which is nice if needed.

 

30 kWh of a charge would be only £8.40

32.71 kWh for £9.16

Edited 24 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

I think the stars aligned for me a year ago when I got this Enyaq. My Octavia had increased in value by £1000 from 6 months previously, I compromised and got a car from stock, and it qualified for the the government grant.

A year later and my Enyaq would be £10,000 more to buy and take a year to build.

Its a crazy situation. Personally, as a petrol head, I find the bit of extra planning for a long journey quite enjoyable.  The main issue is the mess of charging infrastructure, requiring numerous apps and/or rfid cards. 
Ive done 18000 miles in a year and have zero desire to return to fossil power.

Edited 24 July, 20223 yr by classic

I think with pcp, and lease, I’m super wary of fixing a mileage. The overage isn’t a huge amount but it will make a difference.  Plus never been down this path and second, no idea how many miles I do. 
 

I could go through a phase of going to wales every weekend; 400mls Or Pembroke. Or not at all. A Scottish pop is a good 900. Not many of those and I blow the mythical caps, or have a huge cap and end up going nowhere after braking my leg or something daft. That’s life!

 

if I can wrangle a 60, 132kw charge for nearer to list, I’d be tempted to skip pcp. Or put the order In and wait

 

 

 

 

I know with pcp, which is the route I went, the mileage only becomes a factor if you decide to hand the keys back at the end of the agreed period. If you buy the car at the end by paying the balloon payment, or trade it in for something else at some point, you don’t pay any excess mileage charges, but obviously mileage will affect the vehicle value.

Personally I wouldn't go with PCP or a Lease with a bargepole - but that's just me I guess as I don't like 'buying' stuff I can't afford there and then.

 

Also I'd be very wary of the deals the Sheffield Skoda dealer are pushing given past experience of their sales techniques...   but then maybe that's just me who's had bad experiences and chosen to go elsewhere.

I would not want to own any of the current newest models of EV's in 5 years time or be counting on good residuals on them.

There is better coming to the UK in the next couple of years just as long as shortages of materials globally improves. 

@roottoot that was my gut, hence I was exploring the ‘rent’ it path on hp/pcp. 

 

@skomaz not sure they have. The only person I trusted has left. My bs meter was on alert when a 50KW charge car was listed as 132Kw, and I’d have no idea how to tell from the exterior of the car, unless there is a way?

 

@classic I’m certainly inclined to own, empty the bank style purchase, run for x years till value is minimal. Definitely the way Iv’e done the last few ICE cars. Sure it’s painful on the day, but slowly the balance returns to the mystery account. When. Have enough I can own outright it gives you options. Scary options, but options.  I really was HP/PCP as a way of renting past the tech/war bubble. Accepting it would cost more overall. But possibly less than a 5+year drop on tech cycle. 

 

I rarely go for the first release of anything, even in my vaguely skilled area of tech. Always wait for the point release or the second generation, it’s worth the wait. 

 

I felt I did that in the early ev days, now maybe a little late to the party, timing wise, with a brighter future options down the road… unless china goes for Taiwan in which case we’re all on shanks’ pony by year end and it’s all a paper exercise.

 

Yeah I’m in a positive mood today 😛

Sometimes with the passage of time it becomes apparent that there were some really good cars that were under-appreciated and they are worth getting, this is happening with EV's as it has with ICE vehicles.

 

Sometimes it is too late as others have sussed how good so there are not cheap to get.

The 28kW battery Ioniq is like that, also BMW i3's & especially range extender ones, Mii electrics (also some Citigo iV without charging issues or e-Up's)

& Renault Zoe's are pretty much a sure thing as a car worth having as a keeper IMO. 

Very much seeing the Zoe as a definite choice. 
 

swmbo is on a gov lease. All her next choices are ev. They come on unlimited mileage, service. So much of this deliberation is a smoke screen for that choice. She wants a focus estate, or civic diesel of old type size and go. 
 

the Zoe would be the local kick about. Not sure how I’d be getting out at fort bill from sheffield. Not as refreshed as the superb for sure, but maybe better from the extra breaks.

 

plus the Zoe is “sensible” money and Renault have proven the battery tech, management., plus 0%, plus stock… so I can scratch the impulsive itch.

Although I’d prefer the 208 design, more than 50KW charge… the moon on a stick too pls.

 

Edited 26 July, 20223 yr by ColinD

Stellantis have supposedly improved range from the 50 kW but 45 kW usable batteries like in my Corsa which is just like the e-208, Citroen / DS and what ever they do with the platform.

Plenty get far better efficiency than me, or write / post / say they do in reviews and blogs. 

100 kWh charging. 

Never seen that yet on any 100kW-350 kW charger i have tried to get on. 

 

Autoexpress review on the one i would like, but only if it had a 75 kWh battery.  (The Stalantis Vans get a 50 or 75 kWh battery.)

http://autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/berlingo/357952/citroen-e-berlingo-long-term-test-review

 

van

http://autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/dispatch/358381/citroen-e-dispatch-long-term-test-review

 

 

Edited 26 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

I’ve missed there was a berlingo, ev and big boot done.

One more for the list.

Also mildly tempted to get an old Estelle or rapid and convert  

 

been watching to much kindigit and rust valley restorers.

On 26/07/2022 at 12:34, ColinD said:

Very much seeing the Zoe as a definite choice. 
 

swmbo is on a gov lease. All her next choices are ev. They come on unlimited mileage, service. So much of this deliberation is a smoke screen for that choice. She wants a focus estate, or civic diesel of old type size and go. 
 

the Zoe would be the local kick about. Not sure how I’d be getting out at fort bill from sheffield. Not as refreshed as the superb for sure, but maybe better from the extra breaks.

 

plus the Zoe is “sensible” money and Renault have proven the battery tech, management., plus 0%, plus stock… so I can scratch the impulsive itch.

I had a zoe as a stop gap while I waited for the  Tesla. It was an amazing wee car. Loved the fact it could charge at 22 kW just about anywhere. But te Enyaq is the best car I have ever owned by a long stretch. Far superior to the tesla model 3

Currently the availability problems are the issue.

 

Most EV are 9-24 month waits.

Solar battery availability is a nightmare.

Solar panel availability is a nightmare.

Getting the things installed is a complete disaster too.

 

I have to say the EV shine has definitely been tarnished before it’s even turned up.

7 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Currently the availability problems are the issue.

 

Most EV are 9-24 month waits.

Solar battery availability is a nightmare.

Solar panel availability is a nightmare.

Getting the things installed is a complete disaster too.

 

I have to say the EV shine has definitely been tarnished before it’s even turned up.

That’s not the products fault, but the outcome of their popularity.

Would that have happened, if it was a **** product? Sadly it’s being made into a cash cow at the same time…. 💰 

There certainly is a demand, but then even when Skoda are at maximum production they build less than 1.1 million vehicles world wide so no matter how many EV's they produce the demand will outstrip supply.

 

There are only Enyaqs in 2 flavours on offer and no Citigo iV's for the UK.   They need to be getting on with a smaller vehicle offering because seemingly when Euro 7 emissions come in a Fabia sized ICE vehicle would cost £5,000 more than now and the Mk4 Fabia is not cheap currently.

Demand is outstripping supply on them as well. 

 

http://skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-releases/skoda-auto-exceeds-european-co2-fleet-target

 

http://carscoops.com/2021/10/skoda-fabia-combi-reportedly-canceled-due-to-strict-emission-regulations

 

 

Edited 28 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

1 hour ago, Stripy said:

That’s not the products fault, but the outcome of their popularity.

Would that have happened, if it was a **** product? Sadly it’s being made into a cash cow at the same time…. 💰 

Who said anything about the product?

It still means if looking right now to place a new order there is limited point .

http://reportsanddata.com/blog/top-10-electric-vehicle-manufacturers

 

 

 

Starts at £38,480 now.  The 80 from £42,435.

Not that much love going on from him.

Just a Family car or even those without a family or friends or passengers that need to be driving about in big cars.

Corners that need getting around in the UK come within a NSL so every car in the UK does that safe enough if the road surface is in the right condition.

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 July, 20223 yr by roottoot