The discussion of good tyres to the back and worn ones to the front stems not from oversteer when cornering but from dynamic weight shift foreward, i.e. the rears becoming lighter, under braking. In adverse / wet and slippery conditions. You will loose control of the rear axle and the car will be in a spin.

Nothing to do with over and understeer.

This dynamic load shift occurs in every car regardless of the type of drive.

So you go backwards into a ditch, wall or what ever rather than sliding straight on into the wall, fence, building or what other as you have no frition, traction, braking or steering as you try steering into a skid.    You have no rear control if you lose front control.  Fit good tyres all round.    All these driving god's out there!

Edited 30 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

On 29/10/2022 at 23:22, 26DIPP said:

The discussion of good tyres to the back and worn ones to the front stems not from oversteer when cornering but from dynamic weight shift foreward, i.e. the rears becoming lighter, under braking. In adverse / wet and slippery conditions. You will loose control of the rear axle and the car will be in a spin.

Nothing to do with over and understeer.

This dynamic load shift occurs in every car regardless of the type of drive.

You'd be doing something amazing if you manage to lose the rear end braking in a straight line. 

 

If it's not a straight line, then it's oversteer, since you are steering to an angle... 

 

 

On 26/10/2022 at 20:46, numskull said:

I’m always fascinated by the true meaning of crap tyres, ditch-finders, widowmakers et al. 
I’m old enough to remember when Nexen, Toyo, Hankook and Kuhmo first started to be imported to the U.K., they were described with those same terms; funny how times have changed. Who would have thought that they’d be OE global suppliers to Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, Ford, Skoda, Renault, Stellantis brands, blah, blah, blah…..

It's all relative. Amplified in the wet. And again with low thread depth. 

 

Better tyres are like ABS and stability control. Almost never required, but when you need it.... It might make a difference. 

 

 

And who would’ve thought that the Hankook Kinergy 4S2 would get the overall joint top score in the ‘22 Tyrereview All Seasons Test here.

The only Test Track testing that i bother with is where they are on the likes of an Alpine Road Test track with camber in the lanes, a white line and a driver driving a car that they can keep in their own lane between the verge and white line.

Like people have to drive, in the dry, wet, cold, snow etc, handling and braking. Not crossing into others path. 

 

Track lines and getting your apex and that handling on a track really is only of much use as a comparison of how they are on tracks.

Not many driving on race or test tracks to work or with their nearest and dearest in the car with them. 

Edited 2 November, 20223 yr by roottoot

True, but they are put under greater operating extremes in these tests than one would be likely to ever encounter on U.K. roads.

On 01/11/2022 at 21:02, KeteCantek said:

You'd be doing something amazing if you manage to lose the rear end braking in a straight line. 

 

If it's not a straight line, then it's oversteer, since you are steering to an angle... 

 

 

If you brake on slippery ground with bad rears or do some escape  type maneuvering the rear will overtake you easily. Simple physics.

^^^you win, crap front tyres for crap grip and braking at the front and good rear tyres for that braking and control of the steering. 

This seems to be getting a bit argumentative, so if you'll allow me to add my two-penniesworth ? The logic, informed by years of reading, has been that low rear tyre grip can lead to oversteer, which requires considerable skill to deal with, whereas low front tyre grip should just produce understeer - in that situation an ordinary, relatively unskilled driver will automatically back off the throttle and the car will probably come back into line. Putting the best tyres on the back, then, is thought to be the safest option for most people.

 

I'm not prepared to find out which category I belong to, so I have four good tyres.

 

I know I'm a simpleton, so no criticism of these statements is necessary.

I think the main point is also to not mix tyre types at all. Putting a different type on (extreme weather, spare tyre, etc) is a temporary situation.

21 hours ago, ArisaigDavid said:

This seems to be getting a bit argumentative, so if you'll allow me to add my two-penniesworth ? The logic, informed by years of reading, has been that low rear tyre grip can lead to oversteer, which requires considerable skill to deal with, whereas low front tyre grip should just produce understeer - in that situation an ordinary, relatively unskilled driver will automatically back off the throttle and the car will probably come back into line. Putting the best tyres on the back, then, is thought to be the safest option for most people.

 

I'm not prepared to find out which category I belong to, so I have four good tyres.

 

I know I'm a simpleton, so no criticism of these statements is necessary.

This is it.  And as I found out, it's not that hard to get oversteer with ****ty tyres at the rear on a FWD Clio. In the dry and more so in the wet...

On 01/11/2022 at 21:23, numskull said:

And who would’ve thought that the Hankook Kinergy 4S2 would get the overall joint top score in the ‘22 Tyrereview All Seasons Test here.

 

I studied the results of the All Seasons Test you mention along with numerous other on-line reviews and information and plumped for buying 4 Bridgestone Weather Control A000 EVO tyres. They were in last place in all three of the snow related tests but very good in the wet and dry tests. Ignoring the poor results in the snow they would be ranked second best overall. Where I live in the South of England snow is very rare indeed and if it has snowed then I don't drive in it!

 

I paid a little over £500 for the 4 tyres inc fitting, balancing, tracking and disposal of old tyres. It remains to be seen if they are a good buy but have been impressive in the current cold weather.

18 hours ago, MASKO said:

 

I studied the results of the All Seasons Test you mention along with numerous other on-line reviews and information and plumped for buying 4 Bridgestone Weather Control A000 EVO tyres. They were in last place in all three of the snow related tests but very good in the wet and dry tests. Ignoring the poor results in the snow they would be ranked second best overall. Where I live in the South of England snow is very rare indeed and if it has snowed then I don't drive in it!

 

I paid a little over £500 for the 4 tyres inc fitting, balancing, tracking and disposal of old tyres. It remains to be seen if they are a good buy but have been impressive in the current cold weather.

 

Having passed the 3PMSF test, the Bridgestone all-season tyre although not the best in the snow is still much closer in performance to a winter tyre than a summer tyre.

 

Edited 19 December, 20223 yr by Carlston