Not expecting to be told by the selling Skoda dealer that they say the front and rear brake disc's are requiring replacing soon, they provided a video of the front and rear disc's condition.

It is in for It's first brake fluid replacement (two years old), although it is still safe to drive, which is my main concern.

Drove it last week end and stopped fine.

I have noted that there is a running theme of poor-quality Skoda disc's not lasting/corroding.

The car has covered approximately 12,000 miles since new ( will correct when wife brings it back later).

Given a price of £840 for pads and discs front and back for genuine Skoda parts.

This looks expensive to me.

Any one know what diameter and vented or solid discs fit this car- 190 hp 4x4 dsg estate.

Any recommendations on aftermarket brands would be helpful.

Martin

 

Get some pictures on here, I’d imagine at such low miles you just need to turn eco mode on to brings the tears back to life and some heavy (when safe to do so) some 70ish mph to 0 stops to bring the fronts back to life

Roottoot will correct me if I'm wrong, because he's very knowledgeable about all servicing matters, but I'm almost certain that the brake fluid gets changed at year 3, then every 2 years after that.

Unless it's parked on the harbour slip in Whitehaven, you just might be having your leg pulled by the dealer.

 

And - even if he's right that they're FUBAR'd - why would you want to replace them with the same OEM crap which hasn't lasted 2 years / 12K miles since rolling out of the factory?

 

Having now done two Rapids, a Fabia and an Octavia for terrible rear discs within 2 years of leaving the factory, I can confirm the discs are truly bad quality. The replacements - nothing special, often Mintex - have easily outlasted the factory fit. The last Rapid I did was actively delaminating chunks of disc surface as it was driven!

 

Get to a good independent for a second opinion.

 

 

The Brake Fluid change is first at 3 years then each 2.

 

The brake fluid could be tested at 2 years, or 3 or 4 for H2o content and not changed if not required.

 

Do not pay to have it changed at 2 years unless tested and requiring a change, which is very unlikely. 

 

@kentdale

How much are they charging you for an Oil & Filter Service and then the only extra due which is a Pollen / Cabin filter which is a ridiculous £35 according to the Skoda Fixed Price Servicing and maintenance.

 

Extended Scope is @ 3 years then each 2 years. 

Edited 26 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

42 minutes ago, roottoot said:

The brake fluid could be tested at 2 years, or 3 or 4 for H2o content and not changed if not required.

Just something to add. Brake fluid should be tested at the reservoir and also the caliper for an accurate assessment. 

If you only test at 1 point you may miss a heavily contaminated system at one point. 

Mine have been lasting well.  Car bought with full dealer service history at 50k miles and on over 90k and only now the discs are wearing near the markers and pads due replacement soon but will do that when the alert is triggered for pad wear.  Dealer encouraged replacement until I asked whether the car has pad wear sensors.

 

The rear discs had been changed just before I bought the car though so think they had probably become pitted rather than wore out.  

1 hour ago, ApertureS said:

Just something to add. Brake fluid should be tested at the reservoir and also the caliper for an accurate assessment. 

If you only test at 1 point you may miss a heavily contaminated system at one point. 

 

I'd sort of see the argument either way on that one. I've always tested at the reservoir because it should be where the fluid is in its worst state for water content, because deterioration would most normally happen from the fluid pulling in moisture from the air in the reservoir, and no where else should be open to air. But at the same time, I've seen some dirty, nasty brake fluid come out of the other end of the system, when the stuff in the reservoirs looked fine. 

I agree with brake fluid change at set intervals.  Absorbs moisture over time.

They’re taking the pi$$. I’ve used Skoda main dealers for that last 2 decades but no more, as they’re exactly the same as the others in the VAG. 20 years ago, they were fantastic - nothing was too much trouble and warranty was the norm. Now, nothing is in warranty - it’s normal sir, it’s normal w&t sir, not a warranty issue sir, it’s within tolerance sir or the classic, it seems to be driver abuse…. Sir!
If/when it’s out of warranty, dump them and find a great indy; it’s what I’ve done now. There is big difference on the hourly rate, they value your business, they don’t make you wait for weeks for a courtesy (opps, sorry, it’s now a chargeable rental car) and finally, they don’t rip you off, because they want you to come back. SUK Dealers don’t give a toss, as they’re in the business of servicing PCP and leasing companies. 

9 minutes ago, StevesTruck said:

 

I'd sort of see the argument either way on that one. I've always tested at the reservoir because it should be where the fluid is in its worst state for water content, because deterioration would most normally happen from the fluid pulling in moisture from the air in the reservoir, and no where else should be open to air. But at the same time, I've seen some dirty, nasty brake fluid come out of the other end of the system, when the stuff in the reservoirs looked fine. 

Brake fluid is lighter than water.

 

I had a Galaxy that I bought as a fire damage insurance write off and rebuilt with a new wiring loom, dashboard etc etc.

 

The brakes would fade and once towing a racecar & trailer down Detling Hill i lost the pedal completely, fluid in reservoir tested OK but rusty water bled from the front calipers, I concluded incorrectly as it would turn out that the fire brigade had put their high pressure hose on the underbonnet fire and it had pushed water past the very loose fitting level switch built into the reservoir cap. The master cylinder was fecked as well and full of rust & watery fluid.

 

Later on Ford did a recall replacing the master cylinder cap & master cylinder as water running down from the scuttle was entering the brake system, I tried to get them to pay me for the master cylinder that i had replaced, they took all my details but only to get enough info to revoke my claim the barstewards

 

Then the concentric clutch cylinder failed, again through water contamination, it shared the same fluid, by this time I had made friends with the chief mechanic at Stormont Ford as was through the rebuild, he took the vehicle in and processsed a recall warranty claim, they replaced the master cylinder a second time and the clutch cylinder, when I refused to give them permission to fit a new clutch at my expense (the old 75% worn trick!!) he deemed it was collateral damage caused by fluid contamination and replaced that as well, so eventually Ford got their comeuppance.

 

 

Hi

 

My experience with my franchise dealer has been very good, and labour not dissimilar to the local VAG specialist same for parts.

 

thanks,

@MrRich

Where in the country is your Franchised Dealer so that others can maybe benefit from using them?

Have you posted in the Dealers Reviews to share your experience of them with others? 

 

EDIT. I see you have posted, who did you end up using for your servicing if you have had it serviced since last year?

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/498534-servicing-franchise-dealer-or-independent-north-west-location

 

 

Everyone's experience at Main Dealers should be wonderful as you are paying a premium price / hourly rate for them to work on your car.

Sadly the person you deal with at the Service Desk who might have some knowledge or might not and might be trained and might not is the issue.

Service Desk Managers are not likely to have any qualifications or training as a Mechanical Technician or Mechanical Engineer, and this can be the issue.

 

Telling people brake discs or pads are 80% worn when they are not even 20% worn is common.

If asked what the original thickness is and them having no idea actually shows that at a service it can be pick a number any number.

Up-selling is the aim & the game.

 

Edited 27 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

As promised the milage of the car is 12,466 -30 miles less when Skoda had the car yesterday to change the brake fluid and advised that the break discs.

Skoda garage provided a video of the break disc conditions and the issues are all on the inside surfaces with areas of corrosion visible.

The report states - Brakes front- pads less than 50% worn, discs around 70% corroded on inside surface, advise.

Brakes rear states- pads less than 50%worn, discs around 80% corroded on inside surface, advise.

With a time total allocation of 2hrs 40 mins work to replace.

Tyres are all an average of over 6.5mm tread.

Never owned a car that had such apparent issues with break discs in such a short time/ low mileage before.

 

@kentdale

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Why were you getting that Brake Fluid change, who told you that was needed.  

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How much was the Service?

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Is the Master Tech supporting a Warranty Claim on brakes, or are they saying, fair wear and tear, environmental conditions, salt on roads, light use of brakes. 

Not unduly corroded.  Car low miles, low use!

 

*Brakes being serviced is a thing, just not one Main Dealers do. Striping, greasing, making sure the pads contact the discs and release and are working correctly.*

Just replacing discs and pads becomes a crazy expense if replacing with equally as rubbish discs.

 

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Discs can be bad in not a long period as i know because at 26 months my Motability car got new rear discs.

Serviced at Arnold Clark and a Health Check Video sent to me, saying i needed new rear discs and front brakes stripped and cleaned.

 

Their error being it is owned by Motability and i called and said get that approved by Motability and get on with it.

They replied Motability would not approve that.

I replied, bog off, you were telling me what was needed thinking i was the idiot paying, if the brakes were not right i was leaving the car and Motability were getting it handed back.

so i got the new discs. 

 

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Last years Fixed Priced Servicing and maintenance prices and recommendations.

Cars 3-10 years on Fixed Servicing though.

DSG servicing not by year and some are at 80,000 not 40,000 and DQ200's have no service interval / guidelines / schedule / recommendations.

Edited 27 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

20 minutes ago, roottoot said:

@kentdale

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Why were you getting that Brake Fluid change, who told you that was needed.  

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How much was the Service?

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Is the Master Tech supporting a Warranty Claim on brakes, or are they saying, fair wear and tear, environmental conditions, salt on roads, light use of brakes. 

Not unduly corroded.  Car low miles, low use!

 

*Brakes being serviced is a thing, just not one Main Dealers do. Striping, greasing, making sure the pads contact the discs and release and are working correctly.*

Just replacing discs and pads becomes a crazy expense if replacing with equally as rubbish discs.

 

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Discs can be bad in not a long period as i know because at 26 months my Motability car got new rear discs.

Serviced at Arnold Clark and a Health Check Video sent to me, saying i needed new rear discs and front brakes stripped and cleaned.

 

Their error being it is owned by Motability and i called and said get that approved by Motability and get on with it.

They replied Motability would not approve that.

I replied, bog off, you were telling me what was needed thinking i was the idiot paying, if the brakes were not right i was leaving the car and Motability were getting it handed back.

so i got the new discs. 

 

............

Last years Fixed Priced Servicing and maintenance prices and recommendations.

Cars 3-10 years on Fixed Servicing though.

DSG servicing not by year and some are at 80,000 not 40,000 and DQ200's have no service interval / guidelines / schedule / recommendations.

Hi rootoot, I recieved a phone call from the Skoda dealer completely out of the blue, where we bought the car last year at 8 months  and 2,800 miles also badgering about air con service but told them no it's working fine,also about the pan roof needed a service too to which I said no thanks.

Not sure what service type it is on.

All they did was the brake fluid change for £65 inc vat plus a key fob battery for £5.98 which worked but receptionist says there was displayed message on dashboard, not noticed that but can,t be sure, the other two fobs must also be possibly dying if that's the case.

 

I have just noticed on the Skoda report that the service is due when displayed on the dash and brake fluid service due October 2024.

Has your car had n Oil & Filter change?

If over 1 year old and not then it must be on Variable / Flexible Servicing.  18,000-20,000 miles / 24 months.

 

So due the first Oil & Filter Service in a years time, 2023,

and the brake fluid was due at 3 years from new. 

 

They were 'Upselling' and making calls and giving duff gen as is common. 

So wrongly told your brake fluid change at 1 or 2 years since you have not got an Enyaq. 

 

Surprising the idiot that called never said you needed a cam belt changed. 

 

Service Schedules, Recommendations are down the pages.

http://skoda.co.uk/owners/servicing-maintenance-fixed-price

 

 

Edited 27 October, 20223 yr by roottoot

2 hours ago, kentdale said:

As promised the milage of the car is 12,466 -30 miles less when Skoda had the car yesterday to change the brake fluid and advised that the break discs.

Skoda garage provided a video of the break disc conditions and the issues are all on the inside surfaces with areas of corrosion visible.

The report states - Brakes front- pads less than 50% worn, discs around 70% corroded on inside surface, advise.

Brakes rear states- pads less than 50%worn, discs around 80% corroded on inside surface, advise.

With a time total allocation of 2hrs 40 mins work to replace.

Tyres are all an average of over 6.5mm tread.

Never owned a car that had such apparent issues with break discs in such a short time/ low mileage before.

 

I apologise but that frequent misspelling presses all my buttons, I usually keep quiet but you have spelled "brakes" correctly as many times as misspelled it.

@kentdale

Was it a Skoda Approved Used car you bought and got Free Servicing with?

 

As in 2 years free servicing!

 

Then they want to charge extras when they get the car in at Fixed Service Intervals.

Hi

 

To answer the question on who I use, it’s Vantage Skoda in Morecambe.  Very good service and friendly staff.

7 hours ago, roottoot said:

@kentdale

Was it a Skoda Approved Used car you bought and got Free Servicing with?

 

As in 2 years free servicing!

 

Then they want to charge extras when they get the car in at Fixed Service Intervals.

Yes it was Skoda approved

7 hours ago, J.R. said:

I apologise but that frequent misspelling presses all my buttons, I usually keep quiet but you have spelled "brakes" correctly as many times as misspelled it.

Those without sin cast the first stone.

@kentdale

If it has not had an Oil and filter change done so far the car is going to have to  be in again in the next  6,000 - 8,000 miles for that. 

Just now, roottoot said:

@kentdale

If it has not had an Oil and filter change done so far the car is going to have to  be in again in the next  6,000 - 8,000 miles for that. 

Not too keen on this Skoda dealer, whilst it is under warranty it will go to a different Skoda garage from now on, getting the discs replaced at an independent garage with a substantial cost saving , this independent mechanic thinks that because the car had initially only covered 2,917 miles in 8 months the discs probably were rusting badly when we bought it, but near impossible to prove.

They also think Skoda should help with the costs, I discussed with the supposed Skoda dealer lead technician this morning but not willing to help my cause saying it's wear and tear.

This car cost quite a lot of money and they are not bothered.

Still think the car is great though.