Advice on DSG 7 speed gear box

[Phil82]

Hi All,  I have just purchased a Skoda Octavia (mk3 2018) and I was initially told it was a wet gear box and I haggled an oil change.  However on the final signature of the paper work they proceeded to tell me no oil change was required as it's a sealed dry gear box.  Clearly I was tricked.   Where would I look to check which version I have on a 1 litre TSI?

 

He also said all new Skoda Octavia's have sealed for life gear boxes.  Is this true? 

[Esseesse200]

1l tsi will be a dry 7 speed. 

[RoddersUK]

Wet gears, dry clutch. No contaminated oil, so no need to change it.

[Phil82]

Thanks @RoddersUK and @Esseesse200,  Do you know where I can find out the DSG version I have installed? I am worried it is the 7sp DQ200.

[RoddersUK]

I paid for 1hr access to Erwin online and downloaded the complete build data for my car, along with everything else I could!

[Ootohere]

@Phil82  Who was he?  Was he a salesperson?

 

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Has the car been serviced to manufacturers guideline so maybe the Spark Plugs changed, the pollen filter twice now or at least at the last service, 

the brake fluid once. 

Stuff that is part of the 1.0TSI's servicing schedule.

 

A 1.0 TSI has a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG which does not have a service schedule, recommendations or guidelines for oil changes. 

 

All New Octavia do not have Sealed for Life DSG's.

Wet clutch 6 speed DSG's in 1.4 TSI PHEV's have a service interval, as do 7 speeds 2.0 TDI or TSI's. and AWD's. 

 

 

  A DQ200 is not sealed for life either.

There are 2 oils, in the box and in the MCU.  It is just they do not have a service schedule from VW Group. 

(Some people choose to have the oil changed eventually, and early ones had oil changed because of the World Wide recall which was a Service Campaign in Europe. That is not a Sealed Unit, in any way shape or form.)

 

Edited 14 November, 2022 by toot

[ords]

34 minutes ago, Phil82 said:

Thanks @RoddersUK and @Esseesse200,  Do you know where I can find out the DSG version I have installed? I am worried it is the 7sp DQ200.

Why are you worried? 

[Phil82]

Hi @toot, thanks for all the great information.  It was the sales guy who told me the gear box is not the sealed one and that he checked the Elsa system.  Then only after signing for the car they informed me it was sealed and the agreed oil change was not required. I also asked for the spark plugs to be changed and instead they just checked they are still okay.

 

@ords  I am worried about the gear box only lasting 3 to 4 more years on the car.  It has 27k miles on the clock admittedly but it is not age or miles but rather gear changes (city driving) that affects the life of the gear box.  

 

If the gear box does eventually starts to play up in 3 to 4 years, is that damage done or simply a matter of visiting a gear box specialist to have the oil changed?

[Ootohere]

@Phil82

I would chil about the DSG,

DQ200 DSG's are not having issues fitted to 1.0TSI's.    So fingers crossed, but,

BE SURE TO BUY AN EXTENDED WARRANTY THAT COVERS THE DSG when that time comes.

 

As things are 1.0TSI's with a GPF from 2018 on are getting older and the GPF is more likely to become an issue and require replacing.

 

Fingers crossed. 

That was what VW Group did, crossed their fingers. Fit and forget and leave any hassle to the owners when the warranties have expired.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/508126-mk3-sudden-high-idle-problem

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/479195-car-behaving-strangely

 

****That was some penny pinching to remove 3 spark plugs to inspect them yet not just put in new ones in a 4 year old car.****

Cheeky / greedy barstewards.  IMO.

 

@27,000 miles / 4 years they should have changed them so that the car was serviced to the Manufacturers Recommendations, Guidelines or even Schedule. 

(Schedule being a term Skoda / VW used to not use.)

 

 

Edited 15 November, 2022 by toot

[Phil82]

@toot Thank you, that's great information on the service and maintenance schedule.  Yes there is some serious penny pinching on a car that cost me 16k to buy. 

 

I have a phone call booked today with them.  I am already not happy that they have not really covered any of the 100 point checks they suggested when buying from a Skoda dealer.   In fact they made a effort to trick me into not getting a copy.  Which is why I have a call today.

 

I get a 1 year warranty on purchasing from the dealer which I will need to check if it covers the DSG.  If I remember rightly it hardly covers anything.

[Gaz]

If it's any reassurance, we have the DQ200 in our VW Polo.  It's done 45,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat in the five years we've owed it.  Great little gearbox, well suited to the car.

 

Gaz

 

Edited 15 November, 2022 by Gaz

[Ootohere]

@Phil82. Is it not a Skoda Approved Used car,. Just a Used Skoda from a Skoda dealership?      How much did you pay for a Warranty and have you not been given a copy of the T&c,s?    All basic stuff. Sales, financial stuff like selling a warranty which is insurance.  Warranties they earn commission selling.   The other thing is prep and servicing pre sales.  All on record as they pay tax on profits so need to have everything costed.  

Edited 15 November, 2022 by toot

[ords]

9 hours ago, Gaz said:

If it's any reassurance, we have the DQ200 in our VW Polo.  It's done 45,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat in the five years we've owed it.  Great little gearbox, well suited to the car.

 

Gaz

 

Mines done 60,000 with no problems at all. Had the software and oil recall done, that's all.

[Phil82]

Hi @toot it was on the Approved used cars list from Skoda and I went to the franchise to test drive and purchase it.  I have 12 month's warranty included.  However, with all the wear and tear clauses I doubt the DSG would be covered. Latest doc from Skoda on used car warranty

 

After a call today they have agreed to take the car back and do the checks again as I have found a fair amount of items missed.  I have also noticed from your last post that they did not cover the maintenance and servicing advised by Skoda for a 4 year period before I purchased the car.  This is something to discuss once their after sales individual contacts me to arrange a day to visit and review the car again.

 

 

Edited 15 November, 2022 by Phil82
missed grammar and refs

[Phil82]

sorry I have derailed this thread/conversation about the 7 speed DSG with my last comment about the car checks.  Please ignore. 

[Ootohere]

Some dealerships or the staff at are rather lacking in getting with why customers pay a premium to buy an Approved Used car.

Plenty threads on that subject in the General Automotive Chat section.

https://customer.vwfs.co.uk/approved-used-vehicles/skoda-approved-used.html

 

 

Edited 15 November, 2022 by toot