As the dreaded date for ULEZ approaches and after spending months trawling for a VRS replacement I have today come across a couple of early (2002) Golf MK IVs that according to the TfL ULEZ checker are compliant.

Both are PD130 engine diesels.

Is this a mistake on TfL's database or is there a glimmer of hope for my Fabia? - other than the court case getting it thrown out, the whole thing being put on hold or the Tory candidates statement that she'll chuck ULEZ out on her first day if she's elected.

Edited 23 July, 20232 yr by ColinD
typo

It's a mistake, a diesel car in the ULEZ must comply with Euro 6 emissions regs. In practice this basically means a DPF and AdBlue, with petrol this falls to Euro 4 which allows 1.4 16V mark 1's to comply.

Why on earth would you need a diesel car in town, you're not doing any mileage?

 

Also, the clean air targets are set by the Tory central government and the only way to comply is by extending the ULEZ zone, so it's not voluntary, it's mandatory, and your local candidate can't do anything about it apart from lie to you to try and pick up your vote!

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by sepulchrave

I do plenty of mileage not in town but occasionally have to go into Harrow.

I've seen many old VAG diesels (pre-Euro 6) that show up incorrectly on the TFL database as Euro 6 compliant.

 

It might be because they have previously been registered abroad, although the number of vehicles being incorrectly classified by TFL shows that the system isn't fit for purpose. There must be 10,000's of incorrectly classified vehicles...possibly even more than that.

 

However, with £180/day fines, imagine TFL writing to you in the future saying that they are now fining you £180/day for the past 1,000days because you didn't pay the charge on time.

 

Even with the current much smaller ULEZ area, there's already £250,000,000 owed in unpaid fines. With the area expanding to three times the size of the old area, I can imagine that growing to over £1,000,000,000 in unpaid fines.

 

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by Carlston

4 minutes ago, 999spender said:

I do plenty of mileage not in town but occasionally have to go into Harrow.

 

So just pay the £12.50 for the day if it's only occasional!

 

Jesus.

I don't want to

2 minutes ago, 999spender said:

I don't want to

 

Are you from Yorkshire by any chance...

 

You WANT to buy another car even older than your beloved VRS just to avoid a £12.50 charge?

 

You don't need this forum, you need professional help 😅

The title and OP is about the London ULEZ then and not the others around the British Isles or UK where it can be a £60 penalty for entering with the wrong vehicle and which many thousands are already getting notices of. 

You don't know what I want, I never said anything about buying the Golf

31 minutes ago, toot said:

The title and OP is about the London ULEZ then and not the others around the British Isles or UK where it can be a £60 penalty for entering with the wrong vehicle and which many thousands are already getting notices of. 

 

Yes, Harrow is in outer London, it used to be in Middlesex.

1 hour ago, 999spender said:

You don't know what I want, I never said anything about buying the Golf

 

I know exactly what you want, but you're gonna get what you need; which are facts and the truth; diesel particulates cause Cancer, COPD and kill people in built-up areas, which is why the ULEZ is being extended. You don't have to comply even if you live there, just pay the charge like I do, I have to pay congestion charge as well when I'm up in town but I pass the costs on to my customers.

 

I don't blame the slugs wearing the blue rosettes either, some legislative changes are necessary to protect people from the stupidity of others.

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by sepulchrave

1 hour ago, toot said:

The title and OP is about the London ULEZ then and not the others around the British Isles or UK where it can be a £60 penalty for entering with the wrong vehicle and which many thousands are already getting notices of. 

 

Perhaps you mean Birmingham? The charge there is actually only £8 a day, it's £60 if you're a mindless doughnut who can't breath through your nose and who 'forgets' to pay it.

Surely you're used to paying tolls on bridges etc? It's £2.50 every time I use the Dartford crossing, if I forget, it's £60, so I don't forget!

 

Pain is a great teacher.

 

No i mean Glasgow where over 3,000 notices of fines were issued in the first month.

£30 if you pay within 14 days. 

There are exemptions for the likes of cars registered as Disabled for the VED or where you apply for exemption going into the zone in advance.

There is no choice to pay to get the vehicles in that are not allowed to enter.

 

'Shirley' is not used to paying for crossing bridges in the Scotland part of the UK where tolls were done away with. 

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by toot

You've got your own government up there, you can moan to them about it!

 

At least there's cheap public transport that works, none of that down here I'm afraid.

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by sepulchrave

Who is moaning, just stating how things are and going to be other places than just the Capital City of England.

Personally i have a blue badge if taking in a vehicle not classed as disabled for the VED. 

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by toot

2 hours ago, Carlston said:

I've seen many old VAG diesels (pre-Euro 6) that show up incorrectly on the TFL database as Euro 6 compliant.

 

It might be because they have previously been registered abroad, although the number of vehicles being incorrectly classified by TFL shows that the system isn't fit for purpose. There must be 10,000's of incorrectly classified vehicles...possibly even more than that.

 

However, with £180/day fines, imagine TFL writing to you in the future saying that they are now fining you £180/day for the past 1,000days because you didn't pay the charge on time.

 

Even with the current much smaller ULEZ area, there's already £250,000,000 owed in unpaid fines. With the area expanding to three times the size of the old area, I can imagine that growing to over £1,000,000,000 in unpaid fines.

 

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_much_in_ulez_fines_have_not

 

I wouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, particularly Tory rags trying to whip up antipathy against the Labour London Mayor.

34 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_much_in_ulez_fines_have_not

 

I wouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, particularly Tory rags trying to whip up antipathy against the Labour London Mayor.

 

For 2022/23 that link shows £255,545,388.82 which is about the same as the £250,000,000 figure that I mentioned.

 

As you can see below, the total unpaid figure is going up massively year on year.

 

2020/21 2021/22 2022/23
Total Unpaid £16,856,923.53 £120,123,660.59 £255,545,388.82
 

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by Carlston

Ok, so the running total to April 2023 is a quarter of a billion, that's about a million tickets at £250 each, not such a big deal really.

And not a single one of them issued to my French number plate, in some ways I regret selling up in the UK last year, I really wanted some ULEZ tickets to add to my parking ones, speed cameras, Dartford Crossing etc.

 

But like the latter 2 the ULEZ NIP's wont even be sent out to drivers of vehicles registered in other EU countries but that doesn't stop them from accounting for them as unpaid, I reckon £200 million of the alleged £250 million are foreign vehicles & trucks.

 

Maybe not so for the ULEZ but definitely likely for the Dartford crossing.

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

And not a single one of them issued to my French number plate, in some ways I regret selling up in the UK last year, I really wanted some ULEZ tickets to add to my parking ones, speed cameras, Dartford Crossing etc.

 

But like the latter 2 the ULEZ NIP's wont even be sent out to drivers of vehicles registered in other EU countries but that doesn't stop them from accounting for them as unpaid, I reckon £200 million of the alleged £250 million are foreign vehicles & trucks.

 

Maybe not so for the ULEZ but definitely likely for the Dartford crossing.

I'll come back to this in the morning as there's so much to unpack and pick apart. 

TL;DR, utter crap. 

Just edited the title to clarify as it’s a fabia specific, well engine specific query.

11 hours ago, @Lee said:

I'll come back to this in the morning as there's so much to unpack and pick apart. 

TL;DR, utter crap. 

I'm glad to have given you something pleasurable to do today if you are up in the morning and thank you for teaching me a new acronym although its not one that I will use.

 

Too long; didn't read: (used, especially online, to introduce a summary of a lengthy text.) (used as a comment, usually considered rude, on an online post, text message, etc., that is thought to be too lengthy.)

On 22/07/2023 at 15:49, 999spender said:

As the dreaded date for ULEZ approaches and after spending months trawling for a VRS replacement I have today come across a couple of early (2002) Golf MK IVs that according to the TfL ULEZ checker are compliant.

Both are PD130 engine diesels.

Is this a mistake on TfL's database or is there a glimmer of hope for my Fabia? - other than the court case getting it thrown out, the whole thing being put on hold or the Tory candidates statement that she'll chuck ULEZ out on her first day if she's elected.

It's a mistake/error on their part. 2006 onwards for petrol and EURO4 emissions. Diesels need EURO6 and that's 2016, I think, I'm not sure.

 

On 22/07/2023 at 16:34, sepulchrave said:

 

Are you from Yorkshire by any chance...

I think that is a bit unfair. No one likes paying out lots of dosh they can be spending on food, heating etc.

 

As for the choice of car, 999spender is probably just a genuine car enthusiast who appreciates the pd130 engine. 

 

I think that Gordon Brown was perhaps wrong when he said "Buy a diesel" (better for the environment implied with the lower CO2 emissions..

 

However, no one likes being railroaded into getting rid of their pride and joy and cars don't last forever. The older, dirty cars that met the 'clean' UK emission standards at the time of production will be phased out as they become uneconomic to repair. 

 

Perhaps we should wait till then and just limit car use in general. I wonder if Beijing or Moscow have similar schemes. There was talk of road tax per mile here in UK. I have heard of contactors getting perverse incentives ie travelling from Lincolnshire to Yorkshire to do a building job because they get paid more (presumably claim back fuel etc). Cars pollute regardless where they are. 

When I lived in London I used the tube and buses. A bus every 10 or 15 mins, not every 1 hour. Reasonable price to get around London meant not taking the car a no brainer decision.

 

However, like 999 brainer I liked to get out of London once in a while. The ulez is yet another tax on motorists. 

 

Although, in fairness, if you are asthmatic I can understand why you might choke on hearing 999spender's decision to buy another diesel.

 

Perhaps too profound, but the real issue is the world population. Humans pollute.

 

Who is for Mars?

15 hours ago, bmbmdmb said:

I think that is a bit unfair. No one likes paying out lots of dosh they can be spending on food, heating etc.

 

As for the choice of car, 999spender is probably just a genuine car enthusiast who appreciates the pd130 engine. 

 

I think that Gordon Brown was perhaps wrong when he said "Buy a diesel" (better for the environment implied with the lower CO2 emissions..

 

However, no one likes being railroaded into getting rid of their pride and joy and cars don't last forever. The older, dirty cars that met the 'clean' UK emission standards at the time of production will be phased out as they become uneconomic to repair. 

 

Perhaps we should wait till then and just limit car use in general. I wonder if Beijing or Moscow have similar schemes. There was talk of road tax per mile here in UK. I have heard of contactors getting perverse incentives ie travelling from Lincolnshire to Yorkshire to do a building job because they get paid more (presumably claim back fuel etc). Cars pollute regardless where they are. 

When I lived in London I used the tube and buses. A bus every 10 or 15 mins, not every 1 hour. Reasonable price to get around London meant not taking the car a no brainer decision.

 

However, like 999 brainer I liked to get out of London once in a while. The ulez is yet another tax on motorists. 

 

Although, in fairness, if you are asthmatic I can understand why you might choke on hearing 999spender's decision to buy another diesel.

 

Perhaps too profound, but the real issue is the world population. Humans pollute.

 

Who is for Mars?

 

I meant Yorkshire in the bloody-minded stubborn sense rather than the pecuniary parsimony sense.

 

As for Mars, blimey, you'd have to be an idiot to want to live somewhere where there was absolutely NOTHING whatsoever of any interest, like living in the Sahara at night only with no air to breathe!