25 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ What is the message? is it do not go to North America, and if you do then do not drive or ride in a TESLA. 

 

BBC, 19 hours ago.

We are doomed.   People are having lucky escapes so far in the UK, unless there have been deaths.

That was just one, there was also another EV in the UK in similar incident on the same day apart from the owner claiming that the car had not been used for a couple of days?

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

All very very bad.  

A horrible way to go.

 

 

Although this fire is not an EV, (it is claimed to the same make and model as the one in Luton Airport fire), it does indeed show just quickly ICE fires can be dealt with especially when not hampered by lack of access, just a single hose was required even though there were other cars also engulfed in flames. This is a clear indication that car park designers really do need to consider the ease of access to fire fighters to get to the scene and also shows that decent fire suppression systems such as sprinklers would certainly help.

 

 

What has that to do with the price of bread?  Or EV fires?

 

Are we sure that is not an electrified car, as in a PHEV?

Or sure it is a diesel.

 

I am wondering about the various EV fires recently in the UK and not totally burnt out vehicles, and no Dumpster Truck / Skips to immerse the vehicle in. 

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

What has that to do with the price of bread?  Or EV fires?

 

Are we sure that is not an electrified car, as in a PHEV?

 

I am wondering about the various EV fires recently in the UK and not totally burnt out vehicles, and no Dumpster Truck / Skips to immerse the vehicle in. 

I can only quote what was in the video, I'm not in the habit of making things up am I?

Well maybe a Mild Hybrid Diesel.      We are all in the habit of taking others word on things. 

Well true, you made me question it a bit more and there does seem to be some unanswered questions, firstly I thought the Luton fire was a Range Rover? This car was in fact a Rover Discovery and by playing back the video at a quarter of the speed, this become apparent when the tailgate closed it self and then also the registration plate could be seen and that registration seems to be hooky as it clearly can be seen as RR 58 LEE, which according to DVLA relates to a grey Audi registered in March 2016? I double checked the number thinking the 5 could be a 6 but that registration number does not exist, so was this stolen car running on cloned number plates?

 

Does anyone actually know when the model shown was released?

 

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

If the Range Rover Discovery on fire happened before the new V5 issued for the Audi then that would make sense. 

On 26/10/2024 at 11:08, Ootohere said:

^^^ What is the message? is it do not go to North America, and if you do then do not drive or ride in a TESLA. 

 

BBC, 19 hours ago.

We are doomed.   People are having lucky escapes so far in the UK, unless there have been deaths.

Mguy from Sydney has just covered this particular fire, fair enough, but his third item, the ebike fire is actually over a year old, which I watched at the time WTF?

 

 

 

Fast-forward to 9:10 to see his clip is the same.

 

 

Edited 27 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Massive fire at one of the world's major Lithium-ion battery recycling centres.

 

 

 

Holy smoke.

Well that is how it is.  Lots of earth moved in Australia to get minerals and much else shifted around the world.

Nobody is stopping producing batteries or the recycling of them.

 

The Donald says when he is President that they are going to drill baby drill, and frack like they have never fracked before.

I do not see him saying to Elon Musk that the production of batteries must stop in the USA and no more EV,s are to be built. 

Last night i was listening about the Election in the USA, and Arizona.

 

3 areas for very different employments,  Las Vagas & hospitality,  another area Tech & Communications, and then another mining, so is gold, minerals / lithium, 

the largest mineral producing state in the USA.

 

Neither of those standing to be the President is going to stop the mining are they? 

Unverified reports but no real reason to doubt the claims.

 

 

This incident sure looks nasty, was it the batteries or is there more to this, we will have to wait for further info. 

 

 

I haven't seen it posted, so I'll stickin here. The official report into the Luton Airport Car Park fire.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-10/Significant Incident Report LLA Car Park 2 fire.pdf

 

The significant sentence is

"The fire originated in a privately owned car powered by a diesel fuelled internal combustion engine with the cause of fire determined to be accidental."

I've stopped following this thread, just thought this was a significant outcome.

35 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

I haven't seen it posted, so I'll stickin here. The official report into the Luton Airport Car Park fire.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-10/Significant Incident Report LLA Car Park 2 fire.pdf

 

The significant sentence is

"The fire originated in a privately owned car powered by a diesel fuelled internal combustion engine with the cause of fire determined to be accidental."

I've stopped following this thread, just thought this was a significant outcome.

Thanks for posting, there can be no denying that there was were enough EVs caught up in the fire that raised the temperature to a significant level to melt steel causing the structure to collapse and subsequent demolition of the entire car park. 

Page 19, on the Stavanger Airport in Sola Norway in 2020: 

"Observations made during the fire, as well as water analyses in retrospect, thus imply that electric car batteries were not involved in the fire. However, technical investigations of the actual batteries of the burnt-out or partially burnt-out electric and hybrid vehicles are necessary to substantiate this point and provide a definite answer"

 

Then Page 20, talking about the Luton fire: 

"There are further similarities from the investigation into the Kings Dock Car Park fire in Liverpool which stated that ‘Running fuel fires were witnessed by BA crews and this undoubtedly led to fire spread through the drainage system, down ramps and along the rib slab floor."

Spoiler.

He has not got the letter yet.

 

Lets assume there are garages not attached to the Porsche drivers house. Or any house. It is a garage. They would have the car undercover though..

Not to be something you do...

Head for thinking, feet for dancing.

 

Porsche UK are taking the Pith.

They should have the cars in and stored in a safe compound or together where if one goes up they all do. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

The situation with Porsche Taycans is not good really, out of the 11 recalls issued by the Gov website, 5 of the recalls issued this year are for battery issues, and they say that fire is a possibility in all 5. This affects no less than a possible 3,839 cars since 2020. Bearing in mind that this is UK recall, there is a good chance that might be all the Taycans in the UK, they are hardly common are they?

 

I also notice that the recall that he is talking about is ARB6, which is NOT listed in the Gov website listing, so that might be that new that the website is yet to be updated, or it does NOT apply to his car.

 

Anyway, the interesting takeaway I took from the letter that he read out and showed the copy of in the Porsche Taycans Forums website that it does not mention only about charging in garages but it rather specifically states to ensure that the car is not parked adjacent to or under buildings.  When it comes to actually charging of the car, it states not to charge it under cover! As he points out, there is a good chance that your house insurance or indeed insurance of other buildings could be negatively affected if you do not follow the guidance that Porsche have given.

 

That means that the car has a real chance of self combusting even when not being charged and its because of the ferocity of any subsequent fire that they are stating not park it near to buildings or under them, so in multi-storey car parks, underground car parks, under your place of residence or any building, as we have seen recently there have been some horrific fires etc in car parks under buildings.

 

I just did a check on my car and there are zero recalls for my model, so may be there is something to be said about old established engineering where most problems have been ironed out, lessons learned and far less reliance on software and overcomplicated electronics. 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Old Established Engineering matters not a jot as things evolve and then trial and error starts all over again.

VW Group have never really got the hang of Rubber / Seals, Chains / Tensioners, Water pumps and certainly not software. 

 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Well there is certainly more Taycans on the road than I thought, interestingly though it seems that there were just 3,064 recorded in 2020, so maybe some were the subject of more than 1 recall from that year? It still shows that Porsche are having a fair amount of problems, so a posh name does not always mean a high quality product is the result.

It seems that my Superb being a 2016/17 model was one of the better ones then, according to the gov website when I entered my registration number it came back with a zero.

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher   For some 2017 Superb there was a Wheel Bearing recall, Safety Critical.

Also there might well have been Service Campaigns / Workshop Actions, Recall Actions, SKODA SECRET SERVICE CAMPAIGNS, TPI,s.  Need to know basis and unless the car gets serviced at main dealers you might never know.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-campaigns   TPI,s might apply but nothing show here. 

 

 

Edited 14 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohereyep, I was aware of those but as you said, it only applies to some, hence why I used registration number to narrow it down to specific models. Also another reason, why to my sons dismay, I still use main dealer services as they have access to the digital service history that indys don't have. 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I still use main dealer services as they have access to the digital service history that indys don't have.

Some Independents CAN access and update digital service records.

I do it on all three VAG car's I own.

 

If you PM me your VIN I can look yours up for you. 😉

 

Thanks. AG Falco

On the 30th November I posted a video about the explosion at the Port of Miami where it appeared to have been caused by an BEV but I also sounded a note of caution by stating that we needed further proof, well that proof is now here with and is extremely hard to rebuff this level of proof.