1 minute ago, silver50 said:

Is the 190 a TDI?

No, it's the petrol one, apart from anything else I don't do enough miles these days to warrant a diesel. 

12 minutes ago, silver50 said:

Is the 190 a TDI?

I see it looks like 3 TSI outputs, 187, 220 and 280 (approx)

Just now, silver50 said:

I see it looks like 3 TSI outputs, 187, 220 and 280 (approx)

Just to be clear, my new car is the mk 3 superb, mk4 not available to order yet and I actually prefer the mk3! 

7 minutes ago, silver50 said:

I see it looks like 3 TSI outputs, 187, 220 and 280 (approx)

Yes but not all available at the same time. 280, then 272, then 280 all 4x4. 220 then 190 fwd. I think!

Could anyone please tell me what kind of mpg to expect if i changed to the AWD 280 tsi sports line plus please really appreciate some feedback 

On 18/01/2024 at 09:53, edwards said:

I love mine. best car I have ever owned. 5 years old now and will keep until I have to change. 

Could you please tell me what mpg you are getting please 

11 hours ago, badgolfer123 said:

Could anyone please tell me what kind of mpg to expect if i changed to the AWD 280 tsi sports line plus please really appreciate some feedback 

Around town I used to get between 25 and 30 mpg, once or twice I think I managed 40mpg on long motorway runs driving very sensibly but usually got between 35 and 40mpg. 

Much appreciated Paul and that’s not bad for the powers 

17 hours ago, badgolfer123 said:

Could you please tell me what mpg you are getting please 

 

I’m getting 22-23 in the cold weather this week on our 2016 280 but my commute is tiny, just 2 miles in each direction, which is about the same as the wife’s 2003 2.0 Focus! During the summer I get 24-26 on the same journey. 
On a decent 200 mile drive I’ve had around 35-37 and I did once get 39 on a 300 mile drive, but that involved long stretches of 50mph roadworks on the M6. 

Appreciate this thank you numbskull

On 19/01/2024 at 21:00, badgolfer123 said:

Could you please tell me what mpg you are getting please 

Low to mid 20s in town, mid 20s when its warmer.  Mid 30s on long journeys, maybe high 30s if driven like a saint. Mid 20s towing a twin axle box trailer on journeys. I only do 5k miles a year so it doesn't bother me.

 

But, honestly if you are buying a 280 then you aren't doing it for economy reasons - if you need that then maybe look at another engine or vehicle.

On 19/01/2024 at 09:00, Paulinkeighley said:

I've just traded my 2021 280 Sportline+ for a new L&K 190. It had <16k on the clock and was very clean both in and out, forget precise name of colour but I think it was Race Blue, very nice. Not sure if dealer will be selling it themselves or moving on elsewhere but there's at least one great used 280 out there looking for a new owner.

 

Incidentally I was pleasantly surprised at how nippy the 190 is compared to the 280, certainly fast enough for this old man. Doesn't stick to the road like the 4x4 280 did but I'm happy enough.

If not mistaken, the 190 petrol has similar peak torque figure to the 280. Certainly at the lower end (power is torque x rpm) so it'll feel exactly the same unless you rev it out , it's the same ! Discounting losses, gearing etc. 

47 minutes ago, KeteCantek said:

If not mistaken, the 190 petrol has similar peak torque figure to the 280. Certainly at the lower end (power is torque x rpm) so it'll feel exactly the same unless you rev it out , it's the same ! Discounting losses, gearing etc. 

Yes I think the torque is limited by the transmission, not so much the engine's capabilities. And they are of course both the same cc. But the big difference with the 280 is that it doesn't spin its wheels when you move off briskly onto a wet roundabout.

There is also a TSI190 (petrol) engine as well as a 186/190TDI (diesel) engine

I’ve had my Skoda Superb 280 L&K estate since 2018 and it’s just done 100k miles. No other car I’ve owned is such a sleeper/Q car like the 280 - commodious, handles well with all-season 19” tyres unfazed by any weather, and on super unleaded, goes 0-60 in 5 secs dead. 
As it approaches replacement time, I’m disappointed to learn 280bhp is now down to 265bhp. 
Any consolation on the performance front?
 

On 22/01/2024 at 12:08, edwards said:

But, honestly if you are buying a 280 then you aren't doing it for economy reasons - if you need that then maybe look at another engine or vehicle.

Well, there is nothing wrong in looking at a reasonable compromise in fuel consumption for "brisk" performance, I'd say.

I've used mine mostly in long runs (at least 200km), so cannot say urban MPG, but my best was 36.7, my worst 31.4.

Average is on 34.9. Now, if I could keep my foot lighter .... ☺️

 

For comparison, my S6 Plus (which I am tidying it up for sale, cannot keep all), 4.2 326bhp, on similar circumstances, would do 16/17 MPG. So yes, there is a good tradeoff, I'd say 😊

If I was extremely careful I could just about squeeze 40mpg out of my 280 but I used to wonder about all that underutilised horsepower. Swapped it in January for a new 190 and I can get 50mpg without much difficulty. The 190 is no slouch but I do miss the 4x4 when pulling away quickly!

I've spent so much time over the past few years getting useful info from the forum, just wanted to put my own recent tuppenceworth down, on the Superb 280  v VRs discussion.

 

I've had 3 VRSs .  All estates, DSG and petrol .  mk 2,3, and 4 .  Between the 3 and 4 we had a Kodiaq 1.5 petrol...for about a month!   that tiny engine should never be in that car.  one up its passable, but with a full family on holiday, trying to go up hills was hard work!! 

 

We went for the Kodiaq as a fancied a change after 6 yrs or so of VRS .  Looking back both 2 and 3 were great cars.  3 was definitely a big step up ( if you ignore the horrible headlights !)

 

With 2 yrs to go on the PCP detail on the Mk3 VRS, I just fancied a change and had been looking at 280s for years.  I managed to get a deal where it was a straight swap for a Superb 280 hatch in race blue.  Only had it for 2 weeks but comparisons/thoughts so far : 

 

Mk 4 VRS 

 

Good :

looks great - I had metallic grey

tons of room inside - no real need to anything bigger 

great engine-  Sports mode pointless as just revs too much, but kickdown if required in Normal is instant and very responsive. Effortless/safe overtaking 

It's  not an Audi or a BMW! : ) 

LSD on the front wheels - definitely less wheel spin than on the mk 3

For what it is, really good on fuel.  Mid 40s on a run easily 

 

Bad: 

Infotainment truly awful.  regular crashes 

no proper twiddly knobs for air con.  even on the aircon screen, the icon to turn it on and off is tiny

Still not that refined.  quite a bit of wind/road noise 

While better than before,  still get front tyres scrabbling if trying to exit a junction quickly 

 

SUPERB 280 
 

Good :

 

4wd!!  so nice to have . will be even better once I get all weather tyres fitted to it 

Twiddly knobs!

the engine - great once it gets above 3,000 or so rpm . Great fun when out driving on my own  : ) 

comfy and quieter than VRS .  Mine doesn't have DCC which I had in my head as a must have .  yes, I'm sure it would make the car better, but goes round corners fine and a good mixture of handling and comfort 

the hatch boot is obviously massive . if I had the choice and the price worked in the future, then I'll go to an estate, just for that extra % of practicality. However family of 4- swallowed everything including kid's body boards with no issue 

Very comfy cruiser, but loads of power if required 

Seats are great 

 

 

Bad 

 

As someone else mentioned  ( along with my wife ), Normal very laggy .  Coming out of a roundabout and you'll be doing 30mph and its in 5th!  My wife was driving and tried to nip past a cyclist and commented on how slow it was.  It is obviously plenty fast but its not so obviously nippy as the VRS  . Sports mode too full on for driving with the family onboard 

 

First long drive and the coolant ended up very low, to the point of the warning light coming and having to pull over and top up. Known issue? 

 

MPG -  I knew what to expect and it's not that bad . Got 37 mpg on a long run fully loaded.  I don't do much miles so its fine, but more is always better

 

tyres -  they are a funny size, not many options and pricey . I still think the Mk 3 VRS on 18 inchers was the best combo 

 

Big  - noticeably bigger when parking 

 

Annoying that no roof rails - I know that I can get thule ones that will fit, but can't help thinking that more likely to damage the car 

 

 

We have it for 2 ys but will start looking around in 18 mths or so.  From short experience so far ( given that I like my cars to have a decent main dealer warranty ) : 

 

Driving one up - great fun !!  

 

will I keep this exact car - probably not - if was sticking with the last of this Mk, then I'd hunt down an estate 

 

Will I go for a new model superb - unlikely - far too expensive and the new ones just looking like they've been drawn by a kid . I'm sure hugely competent but just look like a big lump of bland car  .  A 1 yr old new Superb VRS when it comes out might change my thinking ...  : ) 

 

Go back to a VRS estate -  possibly/maybe/probably - wife uses the car most of the time, and this experiment may get the 280 out of my system . After the comfort of the Superb though, I think DCC on the VRS would be a must 

 

Possible perfect compromise -  the new Sportline Octavia with 200bhp petrol and 4x4.  Same BHP as a VRS a few years ago .  Also, with most of  the extra BHP becoming evident way up the rev range ( hardly ever used ) , I reckon in real world driving this whole package could be hard to beat ( and even better if with DCC and in Royal Green metallic ) .....and I might get an older 280 as my "sleeper " runabout  : ) 

 

Well, very good "gooda/bad" description. Myself, I do not see me going anywhere else, I do not like the SIV and I was not worried about the new model, I think the SIII with the 280/272/280 option is the zenith of Skoda manufacturing ... we are venturing in a future that is continously scaling down options, so choose wisely!

 

On 14/08/2024 at 13:38, billblacoe said:

As someone else mentioned  ( along with my wife ), Normal very laggy .  Coming out of a roundabout and you'll be doing 30mph and its in 5th!  My wife was driving and tried to nip past a cyclist and commented on how slow it was.  It is obviously plenty fast but its not so obviously nippy as the VRS  . Sports mode too full on for driving with the family onboard

Agree totally, I can say however that a very smooth going will allow you to drive on Sports even if loaded and with family (and with a nagging wife as I have, sigh), provided you play with the paddles to overcome the way the DSG keeps the gears. Overall, although I found an ideal balance in the pedal/throttle response and the gearbox when in Sports, I think a pedal box is inevitable considering I often drive in other regimes ....

 

This morning I was having coffee with one of my associates, which finally got the GL63 out of the workshop (this is the 5.5 twin turbo), and curiously was commenting the same thing. We went for a drive and when in ECO/Normal, is the same sensation: the same lagginess, the pedal is "lost", and so on. Turn it to Sports mode and it becomes lively, but as opposed to the Superb here the AMG V8 goes really wild, the situation becomes quickly uncontrollable, or better say totally outlaw 😝

Those pops and roars are a symphony however .... ☺️

On 14/08/2024 at 13:38, billblacoe said:

First long drive and the coolant ended up very low, to the point of the warning light coming and having to pull over and top up. Known issue?

Some topics here refer to a probably "weep" or leak from the thermostat/water pump housing, which could lead to a catastrophic failure if it breaks in a high engine speed situation (think highway). If you have a chance to drop underneath the car or lift it, look for traces of coolant in the lower areas of the engine. I would keep an eye on it regularly ...

5 hours ago, leolito said:

If you have a chance to drop underneath the car or lift it, look for traces of coolant in the lower areas of the engine. I would keep an eye on it regularly ...

 

+1

I had exactly that, very very slow leak, and found evidence underneath the car, which confirmed where the coolant was leaking from.