Is my garage lying to me ?

[TerenceWallis]

Yes he did.......................why do you ask ?

[AGFalco]

Some times if there is no power to the car during a battery change the car can 'forget' things.

As you know even with the ignition off the Bolero system is still powered.

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[TerenceWallis]

Mmmm.......I assume when the battery was reconnected & energy was flowing the computer carried on without a break.  

Do you know if Skoda man was right when he said the system would soon catch up with realising there was a new battery in situ ?    I thought it would instantly know the Yuasa was there.  With start/stop working this evening it's been 4 days since you registered the Yuasa........as I say, I was expecting instant reaction.    

I suppose I'm used to installing something in a computer & it works right away.  Vehicles adjust in a different time scale it seems  ??      

[TerenceWallis]

Stop start doesn't work today & I see a circled A with an oblique through it.  Also the cd player still wants the engine running to save the battery.  The bonging seems more frequent, too.

 

I'm having the front near-side tyre replaced on Friday afternoon by Fordingbridge Tyre & Battery.   Although the Halfords man said yesterday  the battery was in good condition,  whilst I'm having the tyre replaced I thought I ask them to check this battery for a second opinion. 

Edited 28 February by TerenceWallis
clarity

[AGFalco]

2 hours ago, TerenceWallis said:

Stop start doesn't work today

It won't always work.

After a 12 mile trip home it never works outside my house.

But after 10 miles in the morning it normally works if I stop at some lights. 🥺

 

Battery was good when I tested it.

Car does need to learn the new battery.

It will try to charge it more than it charged the old one.

 

Did Skoda do a scan for faults when you were there?

Beginning to think that the Bolero problem is a different one.

Do you know why the Bolero/car bongs?

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[Warrior193]

For stop start to be enabled, there are a number of conditions that have to be satisfied first - battery SOC is only one of about 8 parameters that will inhibit idle stop start. 

[TerenceWallis]

Can you reveal the other 7 conditions, Warrior  ?

 

Hi ACF,  As you say, it was good when you tested it, which means the stopstart [SS] should have been working, but wasn't.
It worked for 8 yrs & when it stopped my local garage suggested battery voltage had dropped - the battery would be 8yrs old then.
I assumed since registration on Saturday, SS would restart but it hasn't, except for those 2 episodes.

What I have great difficulty in understanding why it's taking so long for a few things to start working again. SS I can do without but not Bolero.

 

When I got there on Tuesday, Skodaman cancelled the coding appt. & said the system needs to adjust. However, since the SS false start I emailed Skoda man yesterday and asked if one of their scans will locate faults, then to organise one.

 

I am chary of wasting dosh on a system that is learning the ropes again if all I have to do wait.
Yes Bolero could easily be a seperate problem but how will I know - who will know ?

 

The bongs: the vehicle is outside this window in the driveway & I'm sure I heard it recently bong 3 times. I've turned the volume of Bolero down so I don't hear it, but not enough, I hear !  These bongs started with asking for a running motor to save the battery. I'd not heard it before.   

Edited 29 February by TerenceWallis
clarity

[Warrior193]

I'm not sure if I can recall most of them, but - 

- When cabin temperature is not up/down to set point (either heating or A/C) I don't recall what the actual message displays for this one.

- Windscreen may fog.

Are two of them.

I will need to go through past posts to find the rest.

 

[TerenceWallis]

OK.....don't bother to look.  I'm not worried that it doesn't work.  I assumed battery registration would correct it but it would seem not !   Bolero is what I really do want in working order & not this shutting off it's dong now.     

[Warrior193]

My thanks go to @silver1011 for his advice back in 2016 while I was trying to understand the stop/start system.

 

S.S. inhibit conditions.

 

- High power consumption - this one can cover a few different things - from actual high consumption to low SOC or failing battery.

- Battery temperature too high or low.

- Engine coolant temperature lower than 22 deg.C. 

- Too great a difference between cabin temperature and outside.

- Engine speed more than 1200 rpm.

-  Vehicle speed less than 3 KPH since last commanded engine stop.

-  Front wheel angle turned more than approx. 3/4 turn of steering wheel.

- Insufficient hydraulic pressure in braking system.

- Stationary vehicle on excessive gradient.

- Drivers seat belt unfastened, drivers door open, engine hood open.

 

Plus the usual, clutch, gearbox position for manual box, or equivalent conditions for DSG.   

 

Edited 29 February by Warrior193
correction

[TerenceWallis]

Some I would expect but not others.  However, thank you for this rivetting list.

 

I have other news:   Bolero played a complete cd side for 61 minutes this afternoon, as it always has.   I shall say no more......except - MORE please !  

[AGFalco]

With mine if the stop/starts cuts in I can restart the engine by turning the heater fan up to three and putting the AC on.

 

So having the AC / fan on can stop it working as well.

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[TerenceWallis]

thank goodness I can just turn mine off.....should I need to.  

                       My fingers are crossed for a well-behaved Bolero tomorrow.  Maybe some learning has taken place at last !

[TerenceWallis]

Here is the News:  the Bongs have stopped & the cd player doesn't ask for a running engine. 

It played a disc for an hour yesterday, and again today.  The system has taken from 24/2 to 29/2 to fully adjust to the new battery. 

Thank you everyone for your suggestions & support, & especially to AGFalco for registering the new Yuasa battery last Saturday in Blandford.

 

[AGFalco]

21 hours ago, TerenceWallis said:

thank goodness I can just turn mine off.

I turn mine off as well.

 

Hopefully we have got there. Good luck.

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[TerenceWallis]

I had a tyre replaced this afternoon at Fordingbridge T & B where they have never coded a battery & didn't know much about it either.

The dowside was the Goodyear Excellence cost £100 - which is £15 more than I last paid  😞      Keep up the good work.    

[TerenceWallis]

2/3/24:

                I drove 3 miles & stopped in a quiet layby, opened my door & got 6 bongs. 'Not good' I thought but switched the cd player on & was greeted with 'engine on or shut down.'  I tried this 6 times & eventually played 15 mins with the ign. on & key off, but got threats with shutdown.

                 I drove 2 miles home to collect my new battery cd player & 'phones & 2 miles to a different park area.  I switched Bolero on and got no warning notices & kept going.  It played 2 hour long sides.  Ponder that.
                 I'll organise a Skoda computer scan next week.  This is too hit & miss.

Edited 2 March by TerenceWallis
clarity

[Stonekeeper]

Are your journeys normally short?

 

How often do you drive a decent distance?

 

for e.g over half an hour

[TerenceWallis]

Today was curtailled by time - my having to return to collect the cd player.  I covered about 7 miles today.   Normally I'd do 2 x 30 mins journeys or longer.  These have been with an aging battery that was eventually 11 yrs old when I started to get the shut off messages.   
Also, now I have a new battery that was coded last Saturday.  It was pronouned VG then and again 3 days ago.  

 

The problem appears to be battery non-recognition by the system.  My over-arching ? is, how long will the system take to adjust to the new YUASA ?

[TerenceWallis]

These warning 'bongs' have not stopped nor the requests to start the engine. The battery was registered on 02/24, 10 days ago.
Can anyone hazard a guess about how long the computer will take to recognise the new battery for Bolero stop it's requests for engine starts ?  

[AGFalco]

On 28/02/2024 at 19:53, AGFalco said:

Did Skoda do a scan for faults when you were there?

Beginning to think that the Bolero problem is a different one.

 

 

On 29/02/2024 at 12:01, TerenceWallis said:

Yes Bolero could easily be a seperate problem but how will I know - who will know ?

Do you want another scan done?

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[AGFalco]

It might be worth disconnection the second small wire that attaches to the negative terminal?

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[TerenceWallis]

Hi.   Skoda cancelled the registration appointment as it had been done & suggested the system just needed time to pick up the new battery.  As it's been 10 days now I'm amazed it hasn't already adjusted.  How much longer will it take ?

 

Yes to another scan if another is likely to pick up faults.   If you want to do it just say date & time & I'll come over.  

 

I wasn't aware there was a second wire until recently.  I'm not confident about disconnecting anything without guidance.  I've only renewed blown bulbs so far...................

[AGFalco]

21 hours ago, TerenceWallis said:

Yes to another scan if another is likely to pick up faults.

All we can do is try.

 

Same time, same place, same day, different week OK?

 

Thanks. AG Falco

[TerenceWallis]

Hi.  Absolutely.   Just tell me which Sat. & I'll be there.

BTW = I checked the wire you mentioned & I see what you mean.  There are two - brown & red in parallel.    I'll attach a photo here with the wire marked in red.    I'm sure I can disconnect it.  I'll have a go tomorrow if this is the one you mean ?

Cheers.