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Please can anyone confirm if these rims (from Octavia mk2) would fit the Yeti mk1 petrol 1.2 tsi - 2011.

 

6,5J 16 Inch H2 et50 5x112

 

this is serial number if it helps - 1Z0601025A

22 hours ago, Gisho said:

Please can anyone confirm if these rims (from Octavia mk2) would fit the Yeti mk1 petrol 1.2 tsi - 2011.

 

6,5J 16 Inch H2 et50 5x112

 

this is serial number if it helps - 1Z0601025A

 

On the Yeti, the standard 16" tyre sizes (205/55R16 and 215/60R16) will fit a 6.5Jx16 ET50 rim without rubbing.

 

You can tell this by referring to the below chart, where the standard 17" tyre size (225/50R17) has an actual width of 233mm when fitted to the standard 7Jx17 ET45 rim.

 

Actual inflated width of tyre (measured from sidewall to sidewall, at widest point)

205/55R16 fitted to 6.5J rim 214mm

215/60R16 fitted to 6.5J rim 221mm

225/50R17 fitted to 7J rim 233mm

235/55R17 fitted to 7J rim 239mm (oversize tyre size)

 

The owner of the below Yeti managed to fit 235/55R17 to his standard 7Jx17 ET45 rims, so the standard 225/50R17 isn't even close to rubbing. There's going to be even more clearance with the narrower 205/55R16 and 215/60R16 tyre sizes fitted to a 6.5Jx16 ET50 rim.

 

Top photo 225/50R17, Bottom photo 235/55R17 (SCUDO 7Jx17 ET45 alloy rims)

SNAAAgFdT-A-960.jpg

 

However, if you're looking for a much cheaper tyre size than 215/60R16...205/70R15 could be the answer. For example, the below Yokohama All-Terrain tyre costs 47% more in the 215/60R16 tyre size compared to the 205/70R15 tyre size. At 70dB noise rating, this 205/70R15 is also slightly quieter than the 71dB noise rating of the slightly wider 215/60R16 tyre. Bear in mind that the 1.2TSI Yeti has small 280x22mm front brake discs, so 15" rims will easily clear the front brake calipers.

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 205/70R15 96H (Euro label E C 70dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m53b0s2481p148166/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_205_70_R15_96H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/60R16 95H (Euro label E C 71dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s111p164244/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_215_60_R16_95H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Alcar 9165 6Jx15 ET47 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Octavia MK2) (7.73kg)

ALCAR 9165

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=183006013861926000&rimCode=ALCAR9165

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9165#24341785

 

Alcar 9915 6.5Jx16 ET50 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Octavia MK2) (8.35kg)

ALCAR 9915

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=182673411594523760&rimCode=ALCAR9915

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9915#24341769

 

Vredestein Quatrac 5 205/70R15 96T (Euro label C C 69dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7998p144823/Vredestein_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Vredestein_Quatrac5_Vredestein_Quatrac_5_205_70_R15_96T_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_A_Noise%3A_69dB

 

Edited by Carlston

Great information !

 

Any ideas if fitting 55 profiles to a 17 inch wheel does help soften the ride or not ?

 

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11 hours ago, Carlston said:

 

On the Yeti, the standard 16" tyre sizes (205/55R16 and 215/60R16) will fit a 6.5Jx16 ET50 rim without rubbing.

 

You can tell this by referring to the below chart, where the standard 17" tyre size (225/50R17) has an actual width of 233mm when fitted to the standard 7Jx17 ET45 rim.

 

Actual inflated width of tyre (measured from sidewall to sidewall, at widest point)

205/55R16 fitted to 6.5J rim 214mm

215/60R16 fitted to 6.5J rim 221mm

225/50R17 fitted to 7J rim 233mm

235/55R17 fitted to 7J rim 239mm (oversize tyre size)

 

The owner of the below Yeti managed to fit 235/55R17 to his standard 7Jx17 ET45 rims, so the standard 225/50R17 isn't even close to rubbing. There's going to be even more clearance with the narrower 205/55R16 and 215/60R16 tyre sizes fitted to a 6.5Jx16 ET50 rim.

 

Top photo 225/50R17, Bottom photo 235/55R17 (SCUDO 7Jx17 ET45 alloy rims)

SNAAAgFdT-A-960.jpg

 

However, if you're looking for a much cheaper tyre size than 215/60R16...205/70R15 could be the answer. For example, the below Yokohama All-Terrain tyre costs 47% more in the 215/60R16 tyre size compared to the 205/70R15 tyre size. At 70dB noise rating, this 205/70R15 is also slightly quieter than the 71dB noise rating of the slightly wider 215/60R16 tyre. Bear in mind that the 1.2TSI Yeti has small 280x22mm front brake discs, so 15" rims will easily clear the front brake calipers.

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 205/70R15 96H (Euro label E C 70dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m53b0s2481p148166/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_205_70_R15_96H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/60R16 95H (Euro label E C 71dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s111p164244/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_215_60_R16_95H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Alcar 9165 6Jx15 ET47 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Octavia MK2) (7.73kg)

ALCAR 9165

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=183006013861926000&rimCode=ALCAR9165

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9165#24341785

 

Alcar 9915 6.5Jx16 ET50 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Octavia MK2) (8.35kg)

ALCAR 9915

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=182673411594523760&rimCode=ALCAR9915

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9915#24341769

 

Vredestein Quatrac 5 205/70R15 96T (Euro label C C 69dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7998p144823/Vredestein_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Vredestein_Quatrac5_Vredestein_Quatrac_5_205_70_R15_96T_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_A_Noise%3A_69dB

 

 

Thanks for such a detailed answer. You have shared really useful information.

 

You are awesome :)

I'm not sure if the narrower 6.5j rim was homologated for the Yeti.

 

If thats the case it would cause a problem in my country but I doubt anyone would think to check the rim width if the correct tyres were fitted.

5 hours ago, Prezafab said:

Any ideas if fitting 55 profiles to a 17 inch wheel does help soften the ride or not?

 

I would go for 215/60R17 fitted to 6.5Jx17 ET38 rims (from the Kodiaq) rather than 235/55R17 fitted to 7Jx17 ET45 rims...given a choice between the two.

 

More comfortable, less weight, less noise, less drag, more mpg, 14mm wider front and rear track, and both steel and alloy rims are available in this specification. It's also easier to get a tyre that's not massively over-specified in the 215/60R17 tyre size compared to the 235/55R17 tyre size.

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 215/60R17 96H (Euro label B B 70dB) (3PMSF)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m140b0s8016p221935/Continental_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Continental_Conti_All_Season_Contact_2_215_60_R17_96H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_B_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Alcar 9021 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Kodiaq) (11.58kg)

Alcar KFZ 9021

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=639488607098246256&rimCode=ALCAR9021

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9021#24532297

 

6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 alloy rim NANUQ (from Kodiaq) (11.5kg)

Alu kolo Nanuq 17" Kodiaq

Alu kolo Nanuq 17" Kodiaq

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-nanuq-17-kodiaq/p/565071497++8Z8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-nanuq-17-kodiaq/p/565071497D+FL8

 

Edited by Carlston

... I was wanting to stick with the 'Monte Carlo' 17 inch wheels we have. Is it not worth it to change to 55s?

16 hours ago, Prezafab said:

... I was wanting to stick with the 'Monte Carlo' 17 inch wheels we have. Is it not worth it to change to 55s?

 

With the 7Jx17 ET45 rims, you could change the standard 225/50R17 to 215/55R17, 225/55R17, or 235/55R17.

 

The front wheel drive Karoq uses 215/55R17 on its 7Jx17 ET45 rims, and the Karoq 4x4 uses 225/55R17 on its 7Jx17 ET45 rims.

 

When changing to a non-standard tyre size, it's always important to check the ETRTO rules to make sure that the tyre size that you are considering can be fitted to that particular rim width. As you can see in the chart below, all three of these 55 aspect ratio tyres can be fitted to a 7" rim width. The highlighted number is what is considered the standard rim width for that particular tyre size, but even car manufacturers will often deviate from this standard rim width...but never outside of the rim width range for that particular tyre size.

 

ETRTO approved rim widths for passenger car tyres
215/55R17 6.0-7.0-7.5
225/55R17 6.0-7.0-8.0
235/55R17 6.5-7.5-8.5

 

All of these 55 aspect ratio tyres should help to improve the ride, compared to the standard 225/50R17 tyre size.

 

It's important to realise that oversize tyres raise the car's gearing which can have a negative effect on the car's drivability...particularly 1st gear and top gear...so it's important to consider how the engine is pulling the standard gearing, particularly low down in the rev range before oversizing tyres.

 

The Yeti's natural successor is the Karoq, and in the charts below you can see the standard tyre and rim combinations that are used on both the front wheel drive version of the Karoq and the 4x4 version of the Karoq. Notice that compared to the Yeti things have gone a bit silly with the front wheel drive Karoq ending up with a 40 aspect ratio tyre...that many front wheel drive Karoq owners complain of after the thrill of new wide and low profile tyres has worn off.

 

So the Yeti with its 225/50R17 isn't that extreme...but it can be improved upon if comfort is your goal.

 

Karoq front wheel drive tyre and rim sizes

215/60R16 6Jx16 ET43

215/55R17 7Jx17 ET45

215/50R18 7Jx18 ET45

225/40R19 8Jx19 ET45 (there's also a 235/40R19 option for this rim specification)

 

Karoq 4x4 tyre and rim sizes

225/60R16 6Jx16 ET43

225/55R17 7Jx17 ET45

225/50R18 7Jx18 ET45

225/45R19 8Jx19 ET45 (there's also a 245/40R19 option for this rim specification)

 

On the Yeti, if it's a choice between 215/55R17, 225/55R17, and 235/55R17, I would probably go for the 215/55R17. It's a well liked tyre and rim combination on the front wheel drive Karoq and is a world away from the hard riding 225/40R19.

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 215/55R17 94V (Euro label B B 70dB)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Continental/AllSeasonContact-2/215-55-R17-94V-EVc/D-127980

 

In the below chart, I've used the standard 215/60R16 tyre size as a reference point when considering the outside diameters of the other tyre sizes.

 

Outside diameter of tyres

215/60R16 664.4mm

225/50R17 656.8mm (1.1% smaller outside diameter compared to 215/60R16)

215/55R17 668.3mm (0.6% bigger outside diameter compared to 215/60R16)

225/55R17 679.3mm (2.2% bigger outside diameter compared to 215/60R16)

235/55R17 690.3mm (3.9% bigger outside diameter compared to 215/60R16)

 

Edited by Carlston

Thanks. That's food for thought. I'm not sure that I would go to a narrower width than the standard (for our car) 225s in case there's ever an insurance claim and they spuriously say 215s invalidate it.

 

I'm guessing that the 225/55 would affect Speedo error a bit but not much.

1 hour ago, Prezafab said:

I'm guessing that the 225/55 would affect Speedo error a bit but not much.

 

google maps has a gps speedo function, so it's easy to check the accuracy of the speedo.

 

I doubt 225/55R17 would cause the speedo to under-read.

 

Edited by Carlston

^  I have them fitted, reduces the speedo error from 10% to approx 5%

2 hours ago, Frenchtone said:

^  I have them fitted, reduces the speedo error from 10% to approx 5%

Is the ride any better ?

Instead of buying my usual Michelin Cross Climates or Goodyear Vector all seasons, I've spotted some Yokohama Geolanders CV G058 all season at a great price to try out our 'new size'.

 

Were fitted to Subarus for years so am thinking they must be a good all weather, bumpy road tyre ???

About 40% cheaper than my usual go to and solid reviews.

^ ^ 

I have always run on

Dunlop Sport 01's, the car came on them, but at the last change I was offered   225x55x17's, they were cheaper than the 50 profiles, I have never had any qualms about them, I think French roads are maintained to a higher standard than in the UK.

When I used to return to the UK over the winter period I always changed to winters, but now here permanently with little or no snow I haven't changed for several years!

 

I think the 55's are a more commonly used size than the 50's

Edited by Frenchtone

  • 4 weeks later...

I'm going to go for Continental All Season Contact 2 for a change (from Cross Climates or Vectors).

 

I'm undecided on standard size 225 50 17 or whether to go for 55 profile (as discussed above).

 

The Yeti is crashy on some of the truly awful roads around here - just not sure if we'll feel the benefit of a higher profile tyre or not ...?

2 hours ago, Prezafab said:

I'm going to go for Continental All Season Contact 2 for a change (from Cross Climates or Vectors).

 

I'm undecided on standard size 225 50 17 or whether to go for 55 profile (as discussed above).

 

The Yeti is crashy on some of the truly awful roads around here - just not sure if we'll feel the benefit of a higher profile tyre or not ...?

 

One problem with the 225/55R17 is that they tend to be over-specified for the Yeti. Even the most powerful Yeti (170HP) doesn't have a top speed of over 130mph so doesn't need a higher speed rating than H...and it doesn't need to be XL if the standard load index is sufficient.

 

If the Yeti doesn't have more than 125HP it probably can't go over 118mph...so would only need T-speed rated tyres...at least if they are winter rated such as all-season tyres with the 3PMSF symbol. The 3PMSF symbol means the tyre is winter rated.

 

As you can see in the three examples below, the 225/55R17 is a W-speed rated tyre and is XL...whereas the other two tyre sizes are H-speed rated and aren't XL.

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 225/55R17 101W XL (eXtra Load)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m140b0s8985p221974/Continental_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Continental_Conti_All_Season_Contact_2_225_55_R17_101W_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_B_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_72dB

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 215/65R16 98H (not eXtra Load)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m139b0s8008p221955/Continental_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Continental_Conti_All_Season_Contact_2_215_65_R16_98H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_B_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 215/60R17 96H (not eXtra Load)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m140b0s8016p221935/Continental_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Continental_Conti_All_Season_Contact_2_215_60_R17_96H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_B_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Edited by Carlston

Ok, so if I stick with the 50 profile with a load speed of 98 compared with 101 for the 225s, will that technically ride marginally better after all ?

1 hour ago, Prezafab said:

Ok, so if I stick with the 50 profile with a load speed of 98 compared with 101 for the 225s, will that technically ride marginally better after all ?

 

If you want to stick to 17" wheels rather than go down to 16", then 225/55R17 could be a good option. It should give a noticebly better ride than a similar 225/50R17 as shown in the example below.

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 225/50R17 98V XL (Euro label B B 71dB)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Continental/AllSeasonContact-2/225-50-R17-98V-XL-EVc/D-127985

 

Continental AllSeasonContact 2 225/55R17 101V XL (Euro label B B 71dB)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Continental/AllSeasonContact-2/225-55-R17-101V-XL-EVc/R-499743

 

There are some winter tyres with a specification of 225/55R17 97H such as the two examples shown below.

 

Continental WinterContact TS870P 225/55R17 97H (Euro label C B 71dB)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Continental/WinterContact-TS-870-P/225-55-R17-97H-EVc/D-124633

 

Michelin Alpin 7 225/55R17 97H (Euro label C B 71dB)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Michelin/Alpin-7/225-55-R17-97H/D-134907

 

Edited by Carlston

When I changed tyres due to treadnearly out, here in France was as I recall about 99€ a corner, quote for the book recommended size(50) were going to cost 120€ a corner, really a no-brainer!

  • 11 months later...

This is a great thread, so I'm back on it again !

Carlston, the original poster was asking about a 16 inch wheel with a ET50 offset. I'm thinking of doing the same - what actually does a higher offset mean in practice - coming from a standard 225 50 17 Yeti wheel ?

6 hours ago, Prezafab said:

This is a great thread, so I'm back on it again !

Carlston, the original poster was asking about a 16 inch wheel with a ET50 offset. I'm thinking of doing the same - what actually does a higher offset mean in practice - coming from a standard 225 50 17 Yeti wheel ?

ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) VAG Skodas have so far used offsets ranging from ET35 to ET54. So there are no Zero or Negative offsets for these cars, ie. all of the offsets are positive. However, the below diagram illustrates what Zero and Negative offsets look like...as well as positive offsets.

The Yeti uses offsets between ET45 and ET50.

Coming from the standard 17" Yeti wheel size, ie. 225/50R17 7Jx17 ET45, and going to 6Jx16 ET50 or 6.5Jx16 ET50 will move the centre of the wheel 5mm inwards. Increasing the offset from ET45 to ET50 will make the wheel look a little more sunken in the wheelarch. When going from ET45 to ET50, the front track and the rear track are both reduced by 10mm.

ET means "Einpress Tiefe", which is German for offset...so ET45 means "offset is 45mm". The offset is usually stamped or cast into each rim in the format ETxx (or ET-xx when the offset is negative).

Wheel offset diagram

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Edited by Carlston

Thanks for the straightforward explanation 👍

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