@Yorkshiremidge You should be able to leave an Auto / DSG not in PARK, with the wheels locked. & you can do and use a perking brake.

You can leave a DQ200 DSG in N and start the car as long as not -8*oC or lower.

People do want to service cars and not have the wheels locked.

Or just not select P at times.

Looking forward to seeing the movie! 😎

Hi , from memory the parking selector has to be in the P position on my car ( DQ200 gearbox ) to lock the car.

My drive is on a slight hill so I use the automatic parking break.

@Ootohere Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant when the car was being parked up and left, not when it is being worked on. As @super717 has said, normally, the central locking refuses to lock if the selector lever isn't in Park.

Parked up and left also can be left in N. Parking brake on. Doors locked.. normally will apply to some vehicles. Like generally. So what matters is how particular vehicles do things. Manual hand / parking brakes are what is relevant really when the vehicle has a good old manual pull up a lever not just use of a finger. Or unfasten a seat belt or open the driver's door. Eg E-Brake. (And auto hold)

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@jtmattila Just a quick update. Got my console out last night and I can confirm my selector is 6C2 713 025 AA. i.e. your 6C1 713 025 AA would appear to be the left hand drive version of the same selector. I ran out of light so I'm going to have a go at fitting the switch kit this morning all being well.

Well, some good news and not so good.

Got the 5Q0 713 128 A switch fitted to our Fabia and it seems to work fine. Refitted console - fine. BUT the gaiter/plate is refusing to clip back on. Through a bit of measuring and feel, it seems to me that one shoulder of the new switch that sticks up fairly high (arrow in red in my photo) and is wider than the same bit of plastic on the other side might just be fouling the underside of the selector plate by a few mm on the side where the gear indicator PCB is.

i.e. the underside of the plate feels as if the area I have marked with two red lines is pivoting over the bit of black plastic show with the red arrow.

I feel sure if there was some other switch out there specifically suited to the Fabia, one of us would have found it by now. So I'm wondering if OFFICIALLY, the kit doesn't fit the Fabia and maybe there is a little bit of undocumented bodgery going on when Skoda dealers do fit these. I guess the only way we would know for sure is if anyone who has had the fix done at a dealer would be willing to dig out the gaiter plate and take a photo (with the little risk of damage if it it isn't done carefully).

In the meantime, I've left a comment for the guy on YouTube who put the video up of his gaiter plate being removed on his Monte Carlo (see earlier in this thread) to see if he had any issues when he re-fitted his.

Certainly don't want to start hacking mine about until I'm more certain it can be made to fit. Off to find some BlueTac now, to see if I can impression where parts might be making contact........

In the absense of any corroboration on the need to modify the switch, I decided after measuring again and using a bit of Blue Tac, that it was fouling where I thought it was as per previous photos. So I taped up the selector to stop any bits of plastic going in, took a deep breath, and ran the tip of my power file across the R/H side of the switch to take some of the plastic off. I have to say that I ended up taking more off than I was comfortable with to get the gaiter plate to fit - almost down to the two securing tabs (removing some of the reinforcing plastic above them). However, the switch plate still feels as secure as it did before.

@logiclee Thanks for the info on the indy who fitted yours, but I didn't get any reply from them on how they had done it. Maybe if they have done something similar, they aren't too keen on saying.

@jtmattila Not sure where this leaves you having a left hand drive car. The switch plate does look narrower on the L/H side where your gear indicator is going to be but that is as far as I can say.

So to sum up, whilst this has been a success, if anyone wants to attempt it themselves, they do so at their own risk. The part isn't cheap and you can't exactly return it when you have hacked lumps out of it as I had to do.

@logiclee Correction, the contact at your indy has been away and has just got back to me today. It would be good to get the professionals view on this so I'll give him a shout next week.

Folks, as promised, I did actually do some videos on everything I've done, and these are now up on YouTube. There are three of them covering removal of the armrest, removal of the centre console and fitting of the kit as follows:

Arm rest removal

Centre console removal

Fitting of the kit

As an aside, our Fabia has just gone into our local VAG indy for an air-con regas so I asked how they deal with this fault on Fabias - and the answer was they replace the entire selector, which would be north of a grand (expensive part and a fair bit of labour as we'd all deduced). So I suspect this is going to boil down to whether any given garage is willing to do the sort of thing I have just done - and putting myself in their shoes, I have to say that I can understand why they might not be happy hacking a component about to make it fit.

Great stuff. Up to you but these individual videos might also be useful as three threads in the 'Skoda Fabia Guides' section, linked to each other as relevant. A few words of text to show at least the centre console removal and fitting the kit relate to a Fabia Mk3 with DSG.

I was going to put more generally photographing in landscape rather than portrait gets more information in but a quick zip through your videos I see you change some to landscape.

Pity VW caused the problem but well done to you on fixing the issue and providing others with the information.

Excellent video! Down to earth and with no annoying music. I like the level of detail because if you seek out a technical video like this it's in preparation to actually do the job yourself rather than just an idle viewing so it is exactly what you hope to find.

Maybe that mystery adjustment is so you can easily take it (electrically) out of park and perhaps cause a stuck gear lever to release. Anyway, well done sir. 👍

8 hours ago, nta16 said:

Great stuff. Up to you but these individual videos might also be useful as three threads in the 'Skoda Fabia Guides' section, linked to each other as relevant. A few words of text to show at least the centre console removal and fitting the kit relate to a Fabia Mk3 with DSG.

I was going to put more generally photographing in landscape rather than portrait gets more information in but a quick zip through your videos I see you change some to landscape.

Pity VW caused the problem but well done to you on fixing the issue and providing others with the information.

Good idea - I have put them in the guides section.

Yes, I was doing this with my phone so it was a bit of a challenge and a mix of views.

Main Dealerships have Technician & Fitters, not really Mechanical Engineers, or if they are they are not there to mess about making faulty parts fir for use. They replace parts.

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Main Dealerships have Technician & Fitters, not really Mechanical Engineers, or if they are they are not there to mess about making faulty parts fir for use. They replace parts.

Very true - and a nice little earner for them.

But in this case where the part is over a grand fitted, and it is to resolve a single failing switch within - which was evidently not fit for purpose in the first place - that isn't exactly doing the brand any good, and scrapping an entire selector isn't environmentally friendly either.

What VW Group should have done of course is make a variant of the switch kit for the Fabia. After all, they evidently went to the trouble of making a variant specifically for the Skoda Kodiaq (that is part 5Q0 713 128 B).

But what do we know 😄

Just got a call from the car electrician. He thinks he might have fixed the problem. This was his first try. Not bad price (as this was a rehearsal), 80€. Going to collect tomorrow.

It's going to take a while to get it fitted to the Fabia but if it works I will take my other selector also to be processed.

If this did not work I will send my other selector to Germany to be repaired.

@jtmattila Presumbly he has opened up the selector and replaced the original failed switch? There are some internationally standard formats/dimensions for microswitches so if the original was one of those, it would make for a neater/better solution than mine. I suppose the big question is whether that can be done in situ with the selector still fitted in the car. If not, it is going to be a longer job if it has to be removed to do it.

For your repair, were you looking at ecu.eu to do it? I found them offering repairs on selectors too - though you'd need to be sure they weren't just charging you to fit the external switch kit for you 😄

Let us know how you got on.......

On 24/09/2025 at 21:52, Yorkshiremidge said:

@jtmattila Presumbly he has opened up the selector and replaced the original failed switch? There are some internationally standard formats/dimensions for microswitches so if the original was one of those, it would make for a neater/better solution than mine. I suppose the big question is whether that can be done in situ with the selector still fitted in the car. If not, it is going to be a longer job if it has to be removed to do it.

For your repair, were you looking at ecu.eu to do it? I found them offering repairs on selectors too - though you'd need to be sure they weren't just charging you to fit the external switch kit for you 😄

Let us know how you got on.......

Actually he did not even located the microswitch... that's why I'm not very confident with this repair. He did find some bad soldering and renewed those.

Because the selector, that is now fitted to my Fabia, is working correctly 90% of the time, I might send this just "refurbished" selector to ECU.eu.

Does any one know is it possible to test the selector without attaching it to a vehicle? Just to test out the electronics.

I think the wiring loom is way too short that you could disconnect the connectors from the selector in the vehicle and connect them to the test subject.

@jtmattila Looking at the diagram, J217 is the the gearbox control unit under the bonnet. So the multiway connector that you unplug from the front of the selector would be T10k, and I assume the "Tiptronic Switch" F189 is some sort of control unit within the selector.

It looks like F319 is the faulty switch - and it appears to be a separate unit on its own pair of wires, though I can't yet find any evidence it is available to buy on its own. Then again, it could simply be a casing around an industry standard microswitch.

T10k/1 seems to be ground. T10k/2 seems to be the switch output - both circled in red.

So, if the selector lever can be moved with the unit off the car (i.e. it doesn't require power to the selector unit to unlock the lever), it seems possible the unit can be tested by measuring the resistance between pins 1 and 2 with the lever moved out of Park. The only issue I can see with that is we know the fault is very intermittent, so there is no guarantee that you would actually pick the fault up at the time you test (you'd just have to hope that there is a higher than normal resistance present all the time, and it just gets worse when the fault actually occurs).

I found a diagram on the net of the T10k connector plug pin out so that is below so you can work on the pins on the selector socket.

If I was you, I would email ecu.eu and ask them specifically if their repair is to "replace the failed F319 switch within the selector, or simply to fit the external VW switch repair kit that bypasses the failed switch" and see what they say.

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On 28/08/2025 at 18:35, Yorkshiremidge said:

@logiclee Correction, the contact at your indy has been away and has just got back to me today. It would be good to get the professionals view on this so I'll give him a shout next week.

Did they ever get back to you.

As far as I was aware the kit fitted, they didn't mention having to shave the original casing.

The place selling kits earlier in the thread now offer four varients.

AKS tuning

Genuine VAG DQ200 / DQ250 DSG Parking Brake Fault Fix - 5...

Genuine repair kit for fault 'Error Workshop, only leave vehicle in Position P'

@logiclee Yes, they always did sell four variants. 5Q0 713 128B is listed for the Skoda Kodiaq. It is difficult to be certain from the pictures but the switch plate on that kit might well have the same issue, and you'd assume that if it also fitted the Fabia, websites selling it might be keen to communicate that out as it means more sales! I'd also expect my local indy to know about it if that kit fitted - but they told me they swap the entire selector on Fabias if they hit the fault.

We can ignore the 3Q0713128 and 3Q0713128A as those are for different selector units entirely.

Regarding your guy, I did update him with what I'd done and invite comment but I don't think I got anything back so have just pinged him a message.

On 29/09/2025 at 13:19, Yorkshiremidge said:

@jtmattila Looking at the diagram, J217 is the the gearbox control unit under the bonnet. So the multiway connector that you unplug from the front of the selector would be T10k, and I assume the "Tiptronic Switch" F189 is some sort of control unit within the selector.

It looks like F319 is the faulty switch - and it appears to be a separate unit on its own pair of wires, though I can't yet find any evidence it is available to buy on its own. Then again, it could simply be a casing around an industry standard microswitch.

T10k/1 seems to be ground. T10k/2 seems to be the switch output - both circled in red.

So, if the selector lever can be moved with the unit off the car (i.e. it doesn't require power to the selector unit to unlock the lever), it seems possible the unit can be tested by measuring the resistance between pins 1 and 2 with the lever moved out of Park. The only issue I can see with that is we know the fault is very intermittent, so there is no guarantee that you would actually pick the fault up at the time you test (you'd just have to hope that there is a higher than normal resistance present all the time, and it just gets worse when the fault actually occurs).

I found a diagram on the net of the T10k connector plug pin out so that is below so you can work on the pins on the selector socket.

If I was you, I would email ecu.eu and ask them specifically if their repair is to "replace the failed F319 switch within the selector, or simply to fit the external VW switch repair kit that bypasses the failed switch" and see what they say.

Thank you for the diagram.

I contacted ecu.eu and got a reply that they have a partner here in Finland, Autotronix.

Next step will be that I will get the refurbished selector, 6C1 713 025 AA, fitted to the car. Then I will send the other one to be fixed to autotronix.fi .

The current 6C1 713 041 C selector is giving hard time...if the fault is active, you can't lock the doors with key fob.

I've booked the selector replacement on the 15th Dec. I also will get the intake manifold, inlet passages and the fuel injectors cleaned.

@jtmattila You're welcome. Did ecu.eu confirm exactly what they do to repair them?