Dont worry about it - there are are hundreds of Bulgarian/Polish/Hungarian crackers working round the clock to beat the system.

Dont worry about it - there are are hundreds of Bulgarian/Polish/Hungarian crackers working round the clock to beat the system.

How do they fit it in between shifts at asdas though?

It's a miracle, but they manage it. Don't forget the Russians are in on it too.

Steve

Ever try ubunto ? I heard nothing but good things, bit haven't got a spare pc to play with at present..

I've just installed Vista evaluation RC2 which I got from newsgroups. It took all day to down load and about 3 hours to install. I've had to remove Norton internet security as well.

I like the look of it, but whether I can live with it we shall see...

Big trouble with OSX is that you'll tie yourself to Apple h/w.

Big trouble with Linux is that you may not get device drivers for some esoteric h/w.

Big trouble with M$ is the tricks they're trying to pull to gaurantee their revenue stream, and "all your multimedia are belong to us".

I like vista, have been playing with RC2 and quiet like it. On our office testbed pc it took about 45 mins to install on a new HD.

Yeah work we run Ubuntu, it is very nice.

i thought that in terms of re-use, the license was the same as xp etc but certain parts had been clarified so that people didn't assume certain things...:confused:

No andy, that is what MS is saying, via Paul Thurrott.

The old NT/2k/XP licence just said that if you moved it from one PC then you had to delete all copies from other machines and that you could do this as many times as you liked.

The Vista one says you can install it, then transfer it to a new PC once and only once. After that it is time to buy a new licence.

Any chance of you reading the link first? The Retail XP URL explicitly states in more or less so many words that you may transfer the licence as often as you like, subject to you removing XP from the old computer.

No andy, that is what MS is saying, via paul turrot.

The old NT/2k/XP licence just said that if you moved it from one PC then you had to delete all copies from other machines and that you could do this as many times as you liked.

The Vista one says you can install it, then transfer it to a new PC once and only once. After that it is time to buy a new licence.

gotcha

Any chance of you reading the link first? The Retail XP URL explicitly states in more or less so many words that you may transfer the licence as often as you like, subject to you removing XP from the old computer.

Was that directed at me and if so could I ask why?

Was that directed at me and if so could I ask why?

No, it was directed at Andy.

Ok, sorry Ken, I wasn't sure and wondered what i had done.

Appologies.

Ok, sorry Ken, I wasn't sure and wondered what i had done.

Appologies.

Apology unnecessary IMO. I've a habit (maybe overly so) of not quoting here, partly cos of a flakey firewall that sometimes objects to attempts to send messages that contain quotes, and partly from consideration to other ppls' bandwidth.

Any chance of you reading the link first? The Retail XP URL explicitly states in more or less so many words that you may transfer the licence as often as you like, subject to you removing XP from the old computer.

it doesn't actually say you can transfer the software from one PC to another as often as you like:

...Full-packaged retail versions of Windows software are generally transferable from one PC to another as long as the software is no longer installed on the original PC...

Q. Can I move software from one PC to another?

A. Software installed on a new PC can't be transferred to another PC. If you bought the program at a retailer or have a volume license, you may transfer the software from one PC to another as long as you have uninstalled it from the previous PC

although i agree, it doesn't limit the number of times you can transfer the license either. hence my comment about the Vista EULA clarifying rather than changing things...

it doesn't actually say you can transfer the software from one PC to another as often as you like:

although i agree, it doesn't limit the number of times you can transfer the license either. hence my comment about the Vista EULA clarifying rather than changing things...

Interesting piece of syntax that - just how do you get an impost of a specific restriction that was not present in a previous variation of a legal document to be a clarification rather than a restriction? Even in M$land, that's a stretch!

did the license explictly state that you may transfer the software as many times as you like? the wording seems to have left it open to a certain amount of interpretation...:confused:

M$??

did the license explictly state that you may transfer the software as many times as you like? the wording seems to have left it open to a certain amount of interpretation...:confused:

M$??

The original wording does not impose a restriction. The Vista wording definately does. I seriously doubt that many people moved the O/S that often.

M$ - variously read as treating Microsoft as a swearword, or expanding as either Mickey (as in Mickey Mouse) Soft or Megabucks.

did the license explictly state that you may transfer the software as many times as you like?

Nope but this EULA states what you can not do, it certainly didn't place any restrictions on how many times you could this transfer and therfore the law would take the view that you can do this as many times as you like.

Either way that is also how it has been enforced.

Microsoft have changed their mind.

As long as you have the full boxed version and not OEM you can move the licence from one PC to another..

Microsoft backtracks on Vista transfer limits | Tech News on ZDNet

Andy

Microsoft have changed their mind.

As long as you have the full boxed version and not OEM you can move the licence from one PC to another..

Microsoft backtracks on Vista transfer limits | Tech News on ZDNet

Andy

OTOH they have also said that you may not ever move an OEM licence, but not what constitutes moving one. What if you want to upgrade the processor and motherboard, but not the HD? Or vice versa?

the stickers stays with the chassis