Just checked on the BMW website

330d

231bhp @ 4000

500Nm @ 1750

335d

286bhp @ 4400

580Nm @ 1750

So a std vRS has 190Nm less than a 330d and 270Nm less than a 335d. and clearly between 101-156bhp less.

Its difficult to see how any vRS can compete against such performance stats.

Moral of the story, there now all single.

Thats really quite a tradgedy. So, what you are saying is, if you know someone who is related to someone else, who has other relations, who know poeple, the NM figures of the car that someone knows someone else owns don't matter so much?

Its all coming clear now.

Just checked on the BMW website

330d

231bhp @ 4000

500Nm @ 1750

335d

286bhp @ 4400

580Nm @ 1750

So a std vRS has 190Nm less than a 330d and 270Nm less than a 335d. and clearly between 101-156bhp less.

Its difficult to see how any vRS can compete against such performance stats.

Great..

I'll just get my 12k and go buy a 335d then shall I?

Just checked the Porsche Website.

Porsche Cayenne

5 seater SUV, all-wheel drive

Front-engine, 4.8 litres, V8

368 kW (500 bhp) at 6,000 rpm

0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.1 secs

Top speed: 275 km/h (171 mph)

It sure is difficult to see how a BMW 320d compare, and the Octavia.

118d? or 120d?

Thats the 120D the 118d YY07 is up to circa 140bhp these days.

Manchester United are playing tonight. Can't remember what time though.

I'll see your Cayenne, and raise you an Alpina B5 Note that 30-70 is so quick it's not possible to record

Engine Size................4398cc

Engine Assistance.......Supercharger

Engine Type...............V8

Gear Box....................6-speed semi-automatic

Power........................493bhp @5500rpm

Torque........................516lb ft @4250rpm)

0-60..........................4.5secs

0-100........................9.5secs

30-70........................secs

Chris

Just checked the Porsche Website.

Porsche Cayenne

5 seater SUV, all-wheel drive

Front-engine, 4.8 litres, V8

368 kW (500 bhp) at 6,000 rpm

0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.1 secs

Top speed: 275 km/h (171 mph)

It sure is difficult to see how a BMW 320d compare, and the Octavia.

Well 320d's are circa

Manchester United are playing tonight. Can't remember what time though.

7:45pm

HTH

Chris

I'll see your Cayenne, and raise you an Alpina B5 Note that 30-70 is so quick it's not possible to record

Engine Size................4398cc

Engine Assistance.......Supercharger

Engine Type...............V8

Gear Box....................6-speed semi-automatic

Power........................493bhp @5500rpm

Torque........................516lb ft @4250rpm)

0-60..........................4.5secs

0-100........................9.5secs

30-70........................sex

Chris

I found this on the EuroFighter Typhoon website:

The EJ200 employs a very low By-Pass Ratio (the ratio of air which bypasses the core engine or compressor stages) of 0.4:1 which gives it a near turbo-jet cycle. Such a low BPR has the benefit of producing a cycle where the maximum attainable non-afterburning thrust makes up a greater percentage of total achievable output. At its maximum dry thrust of 60kN (or 13' date='500lbf)[/b'] the EJ200's SFC is in the order of 23g/kN.s. With reheat the engine delivers around 90-100kN (or 20,250-22,500lbf) of thrust with an SFC of some 49g/kN.s. Compared to other engines these figures may actually seem relatively high, however such data must be used with caution and evaluated with all other performance data to be of any use. With reheat the engine weighs just 2286lb giving a Thrust to Weight Ratio of around 9:1.

What is more interesting there is apparently potential to remap them too.

An interesting point to note is that the baseline production engine is also capable of generating a further 15% dry thrust (69kN or 15525lbf) and 5% reheat output (95kN or 21263lbf) in a so called war setting. However utilising this capability will result in a reduced life expectancy.

Very interesting stats there.

I'll see your Cayenne, and raise you an Alpina B5 Note that 30-70 is so quick it's not possible to record

Engine Size................4398cc

Engine Assistance.......Supercharger

Engine Type...............V8

Gear Box....................6-speed semi-automatic

Power........................493bhp @5500rpm

Torque........................516lb ft @4250rpm)

0-60..........................4.5secs

0-100........................9.5secs

30-70........................secs

Chris

I've had a prolonged ownership with the Alpina B5, had one for a good few months, and to be honest with you.... It felt jerky, it was quick, through the gears etc.. Devastating acceleration, devastating braking ability and a lovely auto box (did I really say that? ) with steering mounted change buttons. Handling was nice and pin sharp, steering nicely weighted and my only complaint was that it didn't soak up pot holes or ruts on some of the B-roads too well.... Comes with all the gadgets you could conceivably want in a car too.

I suppose your going to say you've driven one aswell aren't you?

Had the Cayenne for 3 weeks now, and it really is a hoot, very smooth power delivery, but for the size of the thing, it's impressive on how it shifts.

I don't know anything about all this but I do love fluffy kittens

Specifications of a 747...

Measurement 747-100 747-200B 747-300 747-400 747-400ER 747-8I

Cockpit Crew Three Two

Seating capacity 366 (3-class) 416 (3-class) 467 (3-class)

Length 231 ft 10 in (70.6 m) 250 ft 8 in (76.4 m)

Wingspan 195 ft 8 in (59.6 m) 211 ft 5 in (64.4 m) 224 ft 9 in (68.5 m)

Height 63 ft 5 in (19.3 m) 63 ft 8 in (19.4 m) 63 ft 6 in (19.4 m)

Weight empty 358,000 lb

(162,400 kg) 383,000 lb

(174,000 kg) 392,800 lb

(178,100 kg) 393,263 lb

(178,756 kg) 361,640 lb

(164,382 kg) 410,000 lb

(185,972 kg)

Maximum take-off weight 735,000 lb

(333,390 kg) 833,000 lb

(377,842 kg) 833,000 lb

(377,842 kg) 875,000 lb

(396,890 kg) 910,000 lb

(412,775 kg) 970,000 lb

(439,985 kg)

Cruising speed Mach 0.84

(895 km/h, 570 mph at 37,000 cruise altitude) Mach 0.85

(910 km/h, 577 mph at same altitude) Mach 0.855

(913 km/h, 580 mph at same altitude)

Maximum speed Mach 0.89

(1023 km/h) Mach 0.92

(1093 km/h)

Takeoff run at MTOW N/A 10,466 ft (3,190 m) 10,893 ft (3,320 m) 9,902 ft (3,018 m) N/A

Range fully loaded 5,300 nm

(9,800 km) 6,850 nm

(12,700 km) 6,700 nm

(12,400 km) 7,260 nm

(13,450 km) 7,670 nm

(14,205 km) 8,000 nm

(14,815 km)

Max. fuel capacity 48,445 US gal

(183,380 L) 52,410 US gal (199,158 L) 57,285 US gal

(216,840 L) 63,705 US gal

(241,140 L) 57,285 US gal

(216,840 L)

Fuel cap./range fully loaded (18.7 L/km) (15.7 L/km) (16.1 L/km) (16.1 L/km) (17.0 L/km) (14.6 L/km)

Engine models (x 4) PW JT9D-7A

GE CF6-45A2

RR RB211-524B2 PW JT9D-7R4G2

GE CF6-50E2

RR RB211-525D4 PW JT9D-7R4G2

GE CF6-80C2B1

RB211-524D4 PW 4062

GE CF6-80C2B5F

RR RB211-524H PW 4062

GE CF6-80C2B5F GEnx-2B67

Engine thrust (x 4) 46,500 lbf PW

46,500 lbf GE

50,100 lbf RR 54,750 lbf PW

52,500 lbf GE

53,000 lbf RR 54,750 lbf PW

55,640 lbf GE

53,000 lbf RR 63,300 lbf PW

62,100 lbf GE

59,500 lbf RR 63,300 lbf PW

62,100 lbf GE 68,000 lbf (estimated)

More interesting facts...

Just for Fletch....

Now, back on topic............

Chris

Specifications of a 747...

Measurement 747-100 747-200B 747-300 747-400 747-400ER 747-8I

Cockpit Crew Three Two

Seating capacity 366 (3-class) 416 (3-class) 467 (3-class)

Length 231 ft 10 in (70.6 m) 250 ft 8 in (76.4 m)

Wingspan 195 ft 8 in (59.6 m) 211 ft 5 in (64.4 m) 224 ft 9 in (68.5 m)

Height 63 ft 5 in (19.3 m) 63 ft 8 in (19.4 m) 63 ft 6 in (19.4 m)

Weight empty 358,000 lb

(162,400 kg) 383,000 lb

(174,000 kg) 392,800 lb

(178,100 kg) 393,263 lb

(178,756 kg) 361,640 lb

(164,382 kg) 410,000 lb

(185,972 kg)

Maximum take-off weight 735,000 lb

(333,390 kg) 833,000 lb

(377,842 kg) 833,000 lb

(377,842 kg) 875,000 lb

(396,890 kg) 910,000 lb

(412,775 kg) 970,000 lb

(439,985 kg)

Cruising speed Mach 0.84

(895 km/h, 570 mph at 37,000 cruise altitude) Mach 0.85

(910 km/h, 577 mph at same altitude) Mach 0.855

(913 km/h, 580 mph at same altitude)

Maximum speed Mach 0.89

(1023 km/h) Mach 0.92

(1093 km/h)

Takeoff run at MTOW N/A 10,466 ft (3,190 m) 10,893 ft (3,320 m) 9,902 ft (3,018 m) N/A

Range fully loaded 5,300 nm

(9,800 km) 6,850 nm

(12,700 km) 6,700 nm

(12,400 km) 7,260 nm

(13,450 km) 7,670 nm

(14,205 km) 8,000 nm

(14,815 km)

Max. fuel capacity 48,445 US gal

(183,380 L) 52,410 US gal (199,158 L) 57,285 US gal

(216,840 L) 63,705 US gal

(241,140 L) 57,285 US gal

(216,840 L)

Fuel cap./range fully loaded (18.7 L/km) (15.7 L/km) (16.1 L/km) (16.1 L/km) (17.0 L/km) (14.6 L/km)

Engine models (x 4) PW JT9D-7A

GE CF6-45A2

RR RB211-524B2 PW JT9D-7R4G2

GE CF6-50E2

RR RB211-525D4 PW JT9D-7R4G2

GE CF6-80C2B1

RB211-524D4 PW 4062

GE CF6-80C2B5F

RR RB211-524H PW 4062

GE CF6-80C2B5F GEnx-2B67

Engine thrust (x 4) 46,500 lbf PW

46,500 lbf GE

50,100 lbf RR 54,750 lbf PW

52,500 lbf GE

53,000 lbf RR 54,750 lbf PW

55,640 lbf GE

53,000 lbf RR 63,300 lbf PW

62,100 lbf GE

59,500 lbf RR 63,300 lbf PW

62,100 lbf GE 68,000 lbf (estimated)

More interesting facts...

Hmm interesting but don't forget that a 747 has 4 engines...

I shall now have to research an A380 for comparative purposes to see who would win in a sprint on the taxiway.

After all flying is not relevant if you can get to take off first.

Just because there the normal house kitten. Doesn't mean there the ones that Fletch was referring too.

Cheetah's have kittens Chris. I'll have a search for the NM of torque they produce on full clat. Brb.

So are we all inagreement that the vRS std vs 330d & 335d due to the lack of 101-156bhp & 190-270Nm it will always lose.

And to get a vRS close enough to keep up with a properly driven 330d & 335d would take vast sums of money and huge engine work.

Now lets look at its real competition Suzuki Swift Citroen C2 VTR/S etc.

747? Best you can do? You want derv power.

Some facts on the 14 cylinder version:Total engine weight:2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)Length:89 feetHeight:44 feetMaximum power:108,920 hp at 102 rpm Maximum torque:5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm

Do I win a prize?

Cheetah's have kittens Chris.

Pretty sure they're cubs, although I don't know if this thread is the place to argue that

Chris

Unfortunately I cannot find the NM at a specific RPM for a Cheetah.

But It can out accelerate a Remapped Fabia vRS.

Fabia vRS to 70mph, around 11 seconds.

The top speed of a Cheetah, 71 miles per hour (114 kilometers per hour), can usually be maintained for only 200-300 yards. (274 meters).

And to get a vRS close enough to keep up with a properly driven 330d & 335d would take vast sums of money and huge engine work..

Not really.

I blame the bannanas.

747? Best you can do? You want derv power.

Some facts on the 14 cylinder version:Total engine weight:2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)Length:89 feetHeight:44 feetMaximum power:108,920 hp at 102 rpm Maximum torque:5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm

Do I win a prize?

You may do, If I can't go one bigger!

Not really.

Ok what do you need to do to get the vRS to do a 0-100mph in 14 seconds dead?

And then we have to consider the in gear times how do we get the 310Nm 1.9Vag to 580Nm???