PD170 upto (conservative) 195 BHP / 305 lbft

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so less torque and less power than a tfsi, this PD170 isn't very impressive at the moment. hopefully they can improve upon this in the future though

Will have to wait what Revo come up with as they are due to release their DPF remap soon

so less torque and less power than a tfsi,...

:confused: Isn't the torque of the TFSI 'only' 207 lbft / 280 Nm?

so less torque and less power than a tfsi, this PD170 isn't very impressive at the moment. hopefully they can improve upon this in the future though

ehh!

I think you may be confusing newton-metres with pound-foot

FSI-T

Standard 200, 207 (BHP/lbft)

Revo 255, 285 (BHP/lbft)

PD170

Standard 170, 258 (BHP/lbft)

Oettinger 195, 305 (BHP/lbft)

PD170

Standard 170, 258 (BHP/lbft)

SuperChips 213, 310 (BHP/lbft)

My preferred supplier would definitely be REVO (I had several Golf GTIs and Golf PD150s - MK5 and MK4 that were tuned)

But I feel the need for speed , so whoever has a remap available when I have A) the car and the cash burning a hole in my pocket - will get my custom:D

I think REVO TFSI's make over 300lbft of torque thank you very much!

i am talking about remapped cars that i have seen ymself on the rollers

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA%2020%2001%2007/Briskoda%20RR%20Plots/FIFTEEN.gif

242bhp and 320lbft or so

so no i am not confused

i am talking about remapped cars that i have seen ymself on the rollers

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA%2020%2001%2007/Briskoda%20RR%20Plots/FIFTEEN.gif

242bhp and 320lbft or so

so no i am not confused

But there is a difference between FLYWHEEL and WHEEL measurements of torque and power.

I am only quoting VAG's and Revo's own figures.

I notice form your graph that the test is for a STAGE TWO Revo conversion.

Revo Stage 2 software has been specifically developed to attain the best possible performance from cars with more extensive bolt on performance modifications.

The software is tuned on vehicle applications using a 4 bar fuel pressure, a quality aftermarket performance exhaust system and a good air intake induction system.

Furthermore, our Stage 2 software can be used with a de-cat exhaust for race or track use.

The tuning style is more aggressive than the basic Revo performance software, and will typically yield 10-15% more useable power.

Stage two is much more involved and expensive (and VISIBLE!) than the other basic chip-tuning mentioned.

If it is no holds barred, then the jury is out on the full capabilities of the newish PD170 (currently undeveloped aftermarket and with the dreaded DPF) - however, Superchips produced a PD150 conversion to PD225 BHP if you were prepared to pay for bolt on upgrades as well. So I don't see why a "STAGE TWO" PD170 couldn't make 250 BHP (especially if they work out a DPF bypass).

I am sure if you go down the super-tuning route NOx will allow you 500+ BHP from a 2 litre Petrol Turbo (albeit for a few miles/seconds at a time and with no engine longevity)

fair enough that one was stage 2

how about this stage 1 car?

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA%2020%2001%2007/Briskoda%20RR%20Plots/SEVEN.gif

or this one :P

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA%2020%2001%2007/Briskoda%20RR%20Plots/SIX.gif

all i'm saying is that with the old PD engines they would have a lot more torque than their ptrol equivelents but they are losing that edge now and the new Tfsi engine is a very good unit

PD170 upto (conservative) 195 BHP / 305 lbft

Price is

Did you opt for the switchable system?

Yes I am a little confused too as above you mention not having the car or indeed the funding for such luxuries.

REVO have got a PD170 map under test on their PD170 Passat however I am lead to believe that there are one or two things to clear up before it goes on sale.

Also I thought Superchips had stopped marketing their offering.

OK I have no car or remap YET

But the spec in sig is as ordered and so far I have decided to fit the Oettinger system. Importantly it is TUV approved, stable and historically very good relations with VW

I have been waiting for the UK agents to confirm availability, cost and outputs. Thats why they emailed me back after joining "waiting list".

As for my comment on "money in my pocket" for the conversion - that was a bit of a throw-away line. At the moment I have my "Tuning" fund earmarked - however, if I saw something else to buy instead I might have to save up again

If I don't go for the Oettinger ie REVO come up with a 215 BHP map (and offer to rip off the DPF) I will have to change my sig AND name!!

REVO have got a PD170 map under test on their PD170 Passat however I am lead to believe that there are one or two things to clear up before it goes on sale.

Also I thought Superchips had stopped marketing their offering.

The "table" of standard output and various tuned versions (including petrol) according the manufacturers specs was refering to a discussion with "bengie" about how low the torque was on a PD and the various engines ultimate tuning envelopes. (not necessarily their immediate availability)

The PDs (indeed most/any? diesel) is "over-torqued" - more lbft than bhp, whereas petrol tends to be "under-torqued" - less lbft than bhp

The reason the FSI-T 2.0 petrol is an annomaly if for two reasons:

1) it is turbocharged (forced induction whether turbo or supercharger etc generally ups the torque proportionately more)

2) The engine IS a great engine, but engine management has been capped for power (to a greater extent than the torque) - this is probably mostly to give a flat power curve, but also for "political" reasons - ie then the same engine can be produced in various states of tune eg Edition 30 or more powerful Audi installations.

Standard GTI = 197 BHP - 207 lbft

Edition 30 = 230 BHP - 221 lbft

The standard vehicle is fractionally "over-torqued" - ie BHP is artificially low for petrol engine, power curve reprogramming results in an "under-torqued" output - ie power curve is relatively uncapped (un-flat) - thus returning to the more conventional petrol engine characteristic.

they haven't limited the power output at all, its because the turbo cannot flow enough air to maintain the high torque levels at high revs, the same as the K03 on the 1.8T.

not moaning but simply asking if you know exactly what BHP is and how it comes about? BHP is nothing more than a conversion of torque(in LBFT)Xrevs/5252 to give a relative out put of an engine that should be comparable between all different ypes of engine. this is why diesels tend to have high torque outputs and low Power outputs, simply because they don't rev as high. If a diesel was able to maintain its high torque at high rpm's a Fabia for example that makes 320lbft at low revs if sustained to high revs like a petrol say 5500rpm then it would be making in the region of 335bhp rather than the 175-180 it actually makes becasue it doesn't make its peak torque beyond about 3000rpm.

they haven't limited the power output at all, its because the turbo cannot flow enough air to maintain the high torque levels at high revs, the same as the K03 on the 1.8T.

That doesn't exactly explain the multiple power/torque outputs available from simple ecu programming (by the manufacturer or tuners)

the multiple power levels is because the manufacturers don't push any components beyond about 80% as standard to make them as reliable as possible(obviously it doesn't always work) so a 1.8T engine for example running a K03 can be mapped to output 150/160/170/180/190 bhp but to make more as a standard car they change things like turbos/injectors/intercoolers.

this is why tuners can get that extra bit of power out of a car, they are taking advantage of the manufactureres safety margins. its just that turbo'd cars have greater potential than a N/A car.

According to your sig (PD195), you've already had the work done? Anything to report? Or am I confused?

Dave.

Your signature

I think I will change my signature to:

2008 Audi RS4 :lol:

Your signature

Dave's sig doesn't quite work if you have a quiet mouse pad or touch screen

:confused:

Less confusing?

I'd be very careful about having a PD remapped if it has a DPF.

Quite a few examples of the DPF clogging up and eventually causing turbo and engine failures.

Done quite a bit of searching around on this....I won't be getting mine mapped. :(