Saw this in another car forum.....

DIESELS are for old men who cannot be bothered with the whole needing to drive or no about your cars engine they want to just put there foot down and feel abit of power (for a few short seconds )and get further on a full tank !

Breathtaking ignorance or just to wind people up??

Ignorance I'm afraid.

You get it with almost everything- fanboy's. They are right that x is better than y. Simple as that, black and white no shades of grey in between and you'll never convince them otherwise. Best to just let them spout their rubbish.

I like diesels but when buying my current motor for my budget and current situation it had to be petrol, could be a different story in a few years time

Breathtaking ignorance would be my guess.My Octavia is the first Diesel ive ever owned,and I understand more about this engine than any of the petrol engined cars I ever had.

Surely logically, Diesel is the way to go.

Breathtaking ignorance or just to wind people up??

Breathtaking ignorance :thumbdwn:

Same attitude as those that claim Honda's aren't for old couples

Breathtaking ignorance :thumbdwn:

Same attitude as those that claim Honda's aren't for old couples

:rofl: I might have guessed there would be one:rofl:

Seems to make sense to me. I certainly wouldn't be driving a diesel if I could afford not to

Chris

:rofl: I might have guessed there would be one:rofl:

Just how old are you, Chris

And, you are married

Simple maffs 1 + 1 = a couple

Seems to make sense to me. I certainly wouldn't be driving a diesel if I could afford not to

Chris

:confused:

I'd say an Aygo/C1/107 in petrol format would be cheaper to run than the diesel car you've got :P

Having driven both I find it hard to justify (to myself) petrol engines except for pure performance (i.e. racing), and diesel is even making headway in that area too. More efficient, less refined fuel, more torque...mmm...torque...

As for understanding how it works - I must admit to being a little mystified as to the finer points of throttle control.

Having driven both I find it hard to justify (to myself) petrol engines except for pure performance (i.e. racing), and diesel is even making headway in that area too. More efficient, less refined fuel, more torque...mmm...torque... .

Seconded

So effortless, no fuss, no drama, yet fast progress.

I seldom take ill-spelt tripe like that seriously, but I'm also yet to find a diesel I really enjoy driving. Chris's Mondeo is not bad, though.

Seconded

So effortless, no fuss, no drama,

Yawn. :P

I'm also yet to find a diesel I really enjoy driving.

Seriously, Nick ?

Find that hard to believe with so many good diesels around these days.

Yawn. :P

Hmm, someone who lives in my locale used to drive a sensible car once IIRC

Afore he lost his marbles :P

Seriously, Nick ?

Find that hard to believe with so many good diesels around these days.

Well me avoiding them like the plague probably has something to do with it

Still being serious, yes the big surge of torque for a couple of seconds is fun, but then you have to change gear and start all over again. Even driving Jason's mongrel at Mimon on Saturday, although that's a pretty powerful diesel, it still didn't give the fun or adrenaline of a good petrol engine. Admittedly he had clutch problems, but that didn't really change the experience.

Chris's is fun exactly because it's more like a petrol engine to drive.

Well me avoiding them like the plague probably has something to do with it

Still being serious, yes the big surge of torque for a couple of seconds is fun, but then you have to change gear and start all over again. Even driving Jason's mongrel at Mimon on Saturday, although that's a pretty powerful diesel, it still didn't give the fun or adrenalin of a good petrol engine. Admittedly he had clutch problems, but that didn't really change the experience.

Chris's is fun exactly because it's more like a petrol engine to drive.

Hmm, funny, I thought petrols had gears and you had to change (usually quite a bit more often).

"The fun or adrenaline" - noise, vibration, waiting for valves to bounce :confused:

MORE often??? :confused:

Petrol engine - rev range 1000-7000 rpm

Diesel - rev range 800-4500 rpm? (I got told off for revving Jason's to 5k)

OK so the diesel can have longer gears because it has more torque, but still...

Noise - hmmm haven't noticed my engine making a noise like a tractor (well unless a coil pack's gone), nor belching clouds of black smoke and making the rear of the car all sooty. Vibration - you're having a laugh ... wait a minute ... it's a wind-up!

Ok fair cop :P

MORE often??? :confused:

Petrol engine - rev range 1000-7000 rpm

Diesel - rev range 800-4500 rpm? (I got told off for revving Jason's to 5k)

OK so the diesel can have longer gears because it has more torque, but still...

Noise - hmmm haven't noticed my engine making a noise like a tractor (well unless a coil pack's gone), nor belching clouds of black smoke and making the rear of the car all sooty. Vibration - you're having a laugh ... wait a minute ... it's a wind-up!

Ok fair cop :P

So, you don't use gears 1 to 5 (actually with a diesel quite often you don't need to)

Noise - scream

Black smoke - virtually nil if you use Millers, ditto for soot

Vibration - yup, engine revving it's nuts off :P

Oh, I got it - you're an old school Jeremiah Klaxxon devotee

So, you don't use gears 1 to 5 (actually with a diesel quite often you don't need to)

The point is that because a diesel has a narrower powerband, you have to compensate by changing gear more often to compensate for this...

Rob.

In the words of the Jeremy Clarkson in edition of Top Gear mag in my college days:

"Unless you're a taxi driver, diesel makes no sense at all"

But then, I don't really have a great deal of sense.

I'd really agree with Nick, but I rarely notice the noise once on the move, though I'd prefer a V8 soundtrack.

Running costs are a harsh reality, and I'm sure if serious mileage was a consideration without the benefit of expense claims, maybe the Petrolheads would see things in a slightly different light.

the only diesel i have ever driven that i condered fun was my nova 1.5TD and that was only fun after it was completely stripped, the power upped and had a crazy twin side exit exhaust that was very very loud and that was only fun because it drives like a petrol!!

i know my mazda isn't the fastest car on the planet, but its quite possibly the most fun car i have ever driven let alone owned as its down to the sound, feel, response and way it drives. yes you have to rev it high to get the performance from it but thats what i love about it!!

i know diesels can go well, they use less fuel, they are cheaper to tax etc etc but so is an aixam 500 but i don;t drive one of those either!

people claim all sorts of modern diesels but they are simply not as fast as they feel, on track my 20year old 150bhp/148lbft mazda(that doesn't hit peak torque until about 5500rpm and peak power until 6350) was faster than a fabia vRS both straight line and cornering and it had the right sound and feel to go with it.

diesels with the head, petrols with the heart. simple as that.

The thing with turbo diesels is that they feel fast because of the power delivery. This results in a lot of people that think they drive a fast car when in reality, its nothing more than average.

Saw this in another car forum.....

Breathtaking ignorance or just to wind people up??

I think it's at times like this, one has to remember that opinions are like *rseholes......

everybody has one ! .

(I drive my Pensioner special vRS 170BHP , and it's got enough "grunt" to keep me happy ).

I'd say an Aygo/C1/107 in petrol format would be cheaper to run than the diesel car you've got :P

Definitely - and a lot more fun to drive too. Just a shame they're not family friendly

Chris

The thing with turbo diesels is that they feel fast because of the power delivery. This results in a lot of people that think they drive a fast car when in reality, its nothing more than average.

Compared to a V8 Monaro yes, it is very average

I disagree that a diesel has a narrow power band - it's petrol engines which tend to have narrow power bands right up near the redline. The diesel's rev range is small, but power (once the turbo kicks in around 2k) tends to be fairly even across the rest of the rev range.

It's this which makes diesels *feel* quick on public roads (within national speed limits) as you have so much grunt available without having to change down and rev the nuts off it.