Im scared of rain

[RandomRich]

Hiya everyone

OMG I almost hurt my Vrs SE last night while driving home from a mates place..... Anyway, after last nights incident I`ve gotta do a skid course ASAP :eek:...

climate is Seriously affecting the way we can drive! :eek:

So can you please advise me on where to go and any other training that will help my driving skill (in extreme Weather!!!)

Thank you

[*tim*]

any other training that will help my driving skill

umm, slow down

[Neo_VR]

umm, slow down

:iagree:

driving too fast for the conditions

[ScoobyChris]

As others have said it's best not to get into this situation in the first place (so seek some road tuition! ). If you want to do limit handling courses, Don Palmer is an expert coach specialising in car control and limit handling driving. and Car Limits are pretty hard to beat I didn't rate the skid pan courses as they were very unrealistic.

Chris

[ap0gee1978]

Sorry, but +2! Also, a skid course won't be much use when you're understeering towards the outside of a bend, which is what I'm guessing happened. ABS and ASR should take care of most low-speed skid situations that a session on a skidpan will help with, so in the absence of ESP the only real solution is to slow TF down...

Sorry again, but it's my 2ps...

[edit] Oh, and if you do have ESP, it still isn't an excuse for driving like a t!t. You don't go crashing into walls just because you have seatbelts and airbags... [/edit]

[john_grant358]

Sorry, but +2! Also, a skid course won't be much use when you're understeering towards the outside of a bend, which is what I'm guessing happened. ABS and ASR should take care of most low-speed skid situations that a session on a skidpan will help with, so in the absence of ESP the only real solution is to slow TF down...

Sorry again, but it's my 2ps...

[edit] Oh, and if you do have ESP, it still isn't an excuse for driving like a t!t. You don't go crashing into walls just because you have seatbelts and airbags... [/edit]

:rofl:

Id have to say slow down to! But if you are feeling feisty then get ur suspension sorted out and get your self a ARB from jabba. Also get your self some toyo t1-r's as they are very good in the wet!

Failing that, find a big car park at night and teach your self!

[devonutopia]

Devon Driver Centre (exeter) runs a skidpan course where they jack up a car on a trolley affair. I had great fun doing the course many moons ago, but it was also an insight into all types of skidding, and the wonders of controlling steering with/without ABS.

In the rain, simply slow down. There is much less traction and a higher propensity to skid therefore. Keep speed down to match the conditions.

[vrs jamez27]

:rofl:

Id have to say slow down to! But if you are feeling feisty then get ur suspension sorted out and get your self a ARB from jabba. Also get your self some toyo t1-r's as they are very good in the wet!

Failing that, find a big car park at night and teach your self!

Umm the car park thing is good. For the full lesson version borrow a 350z and learn to control the overtsteer ... really justa good excuse to have fun. I did an advanced driving day thing at Silverstone (the Council were paying for people to go so i signed up) and i found it really useful so i would recommend doing one, plus they are good fun.

Mind you i never drive fast on the road, learnt my lesson the hard way one wet night in my 106 GTi ...

[cheezemonkhai]

ASR won't save your ar*e, more likely it will cause a massive problem as it tries to correct the car the same time you do.

As said above slow down!

Other handy tips would be to make sure your tyres are good all around and generally to not drive like a tool in bad conditions.!

[john_grant358]

Umm the car park thing is good. For the full lesson version borrow a 350z and learn to control the overtsteer ... really justa good excuse to have fun. I did an advanced driving day thing at Silverstone (the Council were paying for people to go so i signed up) and i found it really useful so i would recommend doing one, plus they are good fun.

Mind you i never drive fast on the road, learnt my lesson the hard way one wet night in my 106 GTi ...

I was kinda joking about the car park thing! i wouldnt mind doing a skid control class. I think its cr*p they dont do it in your driving test.

In germany for your driving test, they blow your tyres out and everything and you have to be able to control it:thumbup:

[ItsOnlyMe_vRS]

Also, dont let the tread on the tyres get to low. Even if their 1mm above the markers the amount of water that can be removed is very little, especially if there is a lot of water on the road.

[cjb]

Slow down (again). Don't fall into the trap of thinking ESP/ASR will save you: It won't. Don't boot it or brake hard on wet corners.

[john_grant358]

Slow down (again). Don't fall into the trap of thinking ESP/ASR will save you: It won't. Don't boot it or brake hard on wet corners.

ah men to that

[KenONeill]

:iagree: - I have ASR and ABS, but I try not to use them.

ESP just makes sure you're going faster when the laws of physics run out, so you have a bigger accident.

And why oh why do designers want to "make ABS less noticable in use"; it can be the first warning you get that you're pushing the limits.

[john_grant358]

:iagree:

[ap0gee1978]

ASR won't save your ar*e, more likely it will cause a massive problem as it tries to correct the car the same time you do.

Although I think we're on the same wavelength here anyway, I've only ever found the ASR to cause the sort of problems where it cuts the power drastically when it's being used as a kind of 'launch control' (i.e. from a standing start), in which case the only cure is a lighter right foot. On the odd occasion when I've seen the light flashing on the twisties or on the exit or a roundabout in the rain, I've barely noticed it working at all. How much it's actually doing in these situations could be a different matter, though, and like Ken's said, the light flashing's been a bit of a 'wind your neck in' warning too...

[Kaiserb_uk]

And why oh why do designers want to "make ABS less noticable in use"; it can be the first warning you get that you're pushing the limits.

The first time I experienced ABS cutting in I thought the brakes had failed and let them off in fright - and went into a hedge.

[auroan]

Slow down (again). Don't fall into the trap of thinking ESP/ASR will save you: It won't. Don't boot it or brake hard on wet corners.

To add to this, don't boot it/brake hard in any corner no matter wet or dry.

[cheezemonkhai]

Although I think we're on the same wavelength here anyway, I've only ever found the ASR to cause the sort of problems where it cuts the power drastically when it's being used as a kind of 'launch control' (i.e. from a standing start), in which case the only cure is a lighter right foot. On the odd occasion when I've seen the light flashing on the twisties or on the exit or a roundabout in the rain, I've barely noticed it working at all. How much it's actually doing in these situations could be a different matter, though, and like Ken's said, the light flashing's been a bit of a 'wind your neck in' warning too...

I came off a DC and onto the slip for a M/Way... I'd obviously carried a touch too much speed through the corner as I could feel the car starting to under steer on a slightly slippery surface. As i started to lift off and apply a bit of steering to correct that, the ASR decided it would do me a favour and cut all the power, so causing the car to nicely over steer.

All the fun that was, and what was a minor issue became a bit more taxing when the ASR decided to have it's way.

Sure it was my fault for going in a bit too quick, but nothing that wasn't easily correctable until the ASR did it's thing.

[john_grant358]

also to add, in the wet your brakes wont be as effective anyway

[ap0gee1978]

I came off a DC and onto the slip for a M/Way...

Erk. Bet that had a high pucker factor... :eek:

[ScoobyChris]

To add to this, don't boot it/brake hard in any corner no matter wet or dry.

Why ever not?! :confused:

Chris

[Neo_VR]

ASR = for people who cant drive properly.

ESP = for stabilising the car in an emergency situation.. and saving people who cant drive properly.

ABS = helps stabilise the car when braking hard on uneven surfaces or during an emergency stop.

if *any* of these intervene while driving on the road and its not a genuine emergency situation, then your driving too fast for the road conditions, end of story.

[auroan]

Why ever not?! :confused:

Chris

Come on Chris, that was one of the basic things taught when I did my advanced driving. All braking and accelerating should be done either before you enter the corner or as you leave it, not mid corner, unless you WANT to either go off or have a bit of fun.

[ap0gee1978]

To add to this, don't boot it/brake hard in any corner no matter wet or dry.

Why ever not :confused:

ASR = for people who cant drive properly.

ESP = for stabilising the car in an emergency situation.. and saving people who cant drive properly.

ABS = helps stabilise the car when braking hard on uneven surfaces or during an emergency stop.

I think the most effective and grown-up way of resolving this will be on the basis of penis size...

:sofahide: