Slow MK 1 vRS

[ethos]

Looks great! One of those cars I always wanted back in the day, but never had one :(

Alot of people feel like this!

I've done loads to get it to what it is (not much on the bodywork, although i've had new rear badges and removed the front cracked lower lights since that pic).

They are good cars to have if you like working on them most weekends

We sold a LHD Renault Twingo that didn't need anything doing to it ever... and now most weekends I'm tweaking / fixing something. Good thing is, it's all VERY cheap / free!

Get one, you can pick one up for under a £1k and insurance / fixing is cheaaap!

[CazzaVR]

Would love too, but I'd have to get rid of this first.... and that ain't gonna happen!

[JohnRS]

My mates got a 1.9 gti. Its been in his derive for probably 3 years, he bought it to do up and the only thing left to do is buy & fit a new clutch and a new front wing obviously a good service and fit the bumper & headlights. do you think it would be worth offering some cash for it 4 a summer project???

[VINNYMAN72]

Have just sprayed my throttlebody and maf with carb cleaner, app should be done every 10k esp with an induction kit, my power is fully back and mpg are back to norm, amazin difference. Do you have an induction kit on???

[VINNYMAN72]

This was meant t be for another thread, wot the hell???

[Merckenzie]

I do agree that you need to check out all the mechanicals, but do remember as someone said earlier, they all drive differently. I drove 10 or so different Mk1 Vrs before buying mine. Some were really dull. (All low mileage). After about 60/70k they seem to improve. Mine had 126k when I sold it. I was run in by then.

Give it a good fast run and see how it goes.

[Hulk1978]

Isn't the 180BHP claimed power measured at the flywheel? i think a loss of 13HP through the drivetrain on a rolling road is about right isnt it?

[kpap]

Since you have low turbo pressure you have a leak somewhere .

I had the same problem with my 1.8T 150HP caused by a bad 710N valve which gives you low boost and bad acceleration.

If the valve is too bad the ECU reads gives you 17608 error on VAG COM.

Change it , I had only 25.000 Klm on my octy when the problem starts.

[Kylethompson30]

Your only down the road from me in wotton. I live near Thornbury, nice to know if I ever need someone with VAGCOM theres somewhere near ;-) in terms of dealerships there are two in bristol...Street skoda are the main ones - don't know if you've tried them but I would have thought they were closer than cinderford...

Oh an in terms of the pug 205's my mates for an mi16 one with TB's and... god knows what else, he reckons he's pushing 210 BHP with a custom made ECU that he can fiddle about with lots.... needless to say it's RAPID... though running a 1.6 gearbox I can normally catch up 5 mins after he's left when it tops out at 120 (on a track of course)...

[KenONeill]

Em, my ZX manual says that all the PSA "CL" boxes have the same ratios. As the Mi16 engine revs higher than the other XUs, your mate's car shouldn't be topping out until over 130 if he's running standard rolling radius.

[Kylethompson30]

I thought the 1.6 box had shorter ratios than the 1.9 (and maybe mi16 is different again).

This is his 3rd... first was a 1.6 (top end 120). Second was MI16 but as standard and that also topped out at 120... and this ones a tuned mi16 and it definitely tops at 120-125 MAX as it was bouncing off the limiter in 5th when he took me out in it.... hmm

Though I don't think he ever got the 1.6 to that sorta speed..

[Kylethompson30]

Yeah just had search on the net and it's definitely different boxes in the 1.6 and 1.9's at least.. much shorter ratio, your right about them revving slighly higher but tbh it's not gonna effect it that much... bottom line is it's a 200bhp go-kart that tops out aboute 120...it's the way it gets there that's the fun part

[KenONeill]

Any 205Mi16 is a modified car anyway; the standard engines were the 1.6 or 1.9l 8v units.

[Kylethompson30]

yep yourright, they were in the peugeot 405's and I believe they were also in Citroen BX's as welll (thought not 100% on the BX)... BX... ugly eww

[KenONeill]

There was indeed a BX16v (1.9l 16 valve, originally 160bhp, dropped to 150 when cats were inflicted on us). I rather liked the look of the BX though (and that of the 205 and 405).

[roo]

Please keep this thread around the Octavia in question chaps

There is a place on this forum for chat about other marques

[Bravo2zero_sps]

I've just traded in my mk1 vRS on 2001 plate after having it 3.5 years :( Had a generic map put on it and it ran rough as anything with bad hesitation under load. Took it to a rolling road and it was only making 185.8bhp and 212lbft. After lots of tweaking it still wouldn't run well and was drinking juice so put the original Skoda map back on and took it to the rolling road and it only made 169bhp and 167lbft. However it was running nice and smooth again although felt slow due to the big drop down in torque. Some cars just don't like generic maps I guess and I was not impressed with 169bhp with the factory map on it. I expected it to be 180bhp but I guess after 7 years (70k) they lose power or just never made the claimed figures from the factory in the first place?

Got a 130 tdi sport Passat and I can't believe it pulls so well. I was going to take it to Jabba for a custom remap but not sure its worth it with how well it goes as standard. Although 300+lbft is rather tempting!

[CazzaVR]

Finally sorted! Took the car to P-Torque last week for a Stage 1 map. Will found exactly the same prob- boost not meeting spec boost etc. He thought it almost felt normally aspirated. He said he was 99% sure it was the N75...

Phoned Winner Skoda in Cinderford, as they are the only dealership who seemed bothered about fixing this for me. Martin was great- got the car booked in quickly and tried a new valve. Took it for a spin and i was grinning ear to ear! Fantastic! It feels soooo fast now.

So, that's nearly 3 years and 5, yes 5 Skoda dealerships to sort the prob! Skoda UK shall be getting a very strong letter from me- the warranty service just isn't up to scratch. Winner have been superb, but all the others have been truly awful.

[1975DCS]

I've just traded in my mk1 vRS on 2001 plate after having it 3.5 years :( Had a generic map put on it and it ran rough as anything with bad hesitation under load. Took it to a rolling road and it was only making 185.8bhp and 212lbft. After lots of tweaking it still wouldn't run well and was drinking juice so put the original Skoda map back on and took it to the rolling road and it only made 169bhp and 167lbft. However it was running nice and smooth again although felt slow due to the big drop down in torque. Some cars just don't like generic maps I guess and I was not impressed with 169bhp with the factory map on it. I expected it to be 180bhp but I guess after 7 years (70k) they lose power or just never made the claimed figures from the factory in the first place?

Got a 130 tdi sport Passat and I can't believe it pulls so well. I was going to take it to Jabba for a custom remap but not sure its worth it with how well it goes as standard. Although 300+lbft is rather tempting!

If there is a mechanical problem chipped, there is gonna be a mechanical problem with the standard map. And for me it sounds this one had a problem... For non specialist or mechanics these are complex engines with all its sensors... Mine had 180 bhp before and 215 bhp after the chip which came in at 165.000 km...

[1975DCS]

Finally sorted! Took the car to P-Torque last week for a Stage 1 map. Will found exactly the same prob- boost not meeting spec boost etc. He thought it almost felt normally aspirated. He said he was 99% sure it was the N75...

Phoned Winner Skoda in Cinderford, as they are the only dealership who seemed bothered about fixing this for me. Martin was great- got the car booked in quickly and tried a new valve. Took it for a spin and i was grinning ear to ear! Fantastic! It feels soooo fast now.

So, that's nearly 3 years and 5, yes 5 Skoda dealerships to sort the prob! Skoda UK shall be getting a very strong letter from me- the warranty service just isn't up to scratch. Winner have been superb, but all the others have been truly awful.

Good it is finally sorted! Was affraid you already sold it as your first post was getting dated... What are the results? Can you put the graph on?

[CazzaVR]

Cheers, mate. Haven't had it dyno'd yet- a bit skint! Will at P-Torque said it's usually good for around 215 bhp. Anyone else had a P-Torque Stage 1 on the rollers?

Skoda are also giving me a free service because of all the probs ;-)

[Jigger72]

Glad you got it sorted Andy, I now have hope …

My car's been having exactly the same problems. I fitted a new Forge 007 a few weeks back and it felt smoother for a couple of weeks but then back to no boost and back to the drawing board.

I ordered a new N75 valve yesterday from this place:

N75 Valve - Audi TT Coupe and Audi TT Roadster Parts, Accessories, Styling and Performance Tuning

£43 incl. postage and I'm hoping it's the key to unlocking the proper performance. It's so frustrating when you know how the car should feel and then it just feels like a 1.4 Polo (nothing wrong with 1.4 Polos BTW but they don't feel like an Octavia turbo )

I'll keep people posted on the results

[Rich.H]

SLOW STD OCTY MK1 - Sounds bout rite!

169 bhp at the wheels on a rolling road is excellent fotr a standard octy as they only have 180bhp engines and lose bout 40-50 hp through all the standard crap bolted to the crank! Mine was kicking out 144 (true wheel HP) in with TIP and full catless system now kicks out 202 at the wheels ( approx 250 crank) and goes like hell. At the end of the day a standard 180hp family saloon aint gonna be no rocket - most family diesels kick out that sort of bhp standard. The simple fact is that in standard form they are SLOW! it has a tiny TIP, an unbelievable 3" to 1.5" exhaust with the worlds biggest CAT! and a dfual mass flywheel & clutch set up which can handle about 181 HP! Spend a bit of cash and make it go - they are great cars to do a bit of DIY tuning on - real easy plus a good custom map for about £4-500.

[EMDrox]

Look for the Kent Rolling Road day thread in the South East Meets section - there's some charts near the end giving estimated crank power, wheel power, boost, air/fuel ratios and torque curves for 2 non-mapped octy mk1 vRS's. Mine was mapped by the previous owner (which was news to me!) but only made 167bhp crank; looks like it's air leak post turbo somewhere. Getting it sorted and remapped again on Friday (hopefully - it's on a compromise map at the moment) and I will post my before and after graphs after that on the same thread.