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Seems Seat / Cupra then have the rough edge of this, not having the part number in the files if you need to do it outside OTA. As I said those without connect services contracts were getting firmware updates and radio updates over the air. Probably the firmware was pushed out as a fix why it was free. That contained the logo database update but you can't be certain that you'll always get these firmware updates if Vag decide they aren't critical where paid or not. Like for mib2 they didnt offer the latest firmware, you only got that if it was a fix for a bug. Thus if you only get those OTA and the radio update as a job lot that's problematic. Why you need the logo update file... if only they had the Seat / Cupra IDs in them. So yes Škoda has the best of both worlds on this 🙌 .

Perhaps they dont see radio logos a priority.

They might be a board sponsor but I've seen them post here. Good reputation. Email will be on that link. https://eastyorkshireretrofits.co.uk/

I think you are into the curse of the Middle East, African and Turkey set up cars. The question is whether it has a regular infotainment system then a retrofitter can enable what hasn't been enabled. No GPS aerial may be stuck. Certainly the Turkey ones can be turned on via ODIS coding via an authorised dealer. If the Skoda site is pointing to European maps that would suggest its authorised for Europe. If you did manage to zoom out with those loaded and saw Europe then you would still need the RoW navigation FeC. Probably better experts on mib3 FeCs on the board here but unless they got an ODIS license they wont be able to do anything. Vag put pay to the hobbyist hacking of these units with mib3. No tool kits except authorised equipment and software. The availability of the mib3 Israel map probably means it's sold on something or they are planning too. Previously no cars were sold with Middle East maps by the Vag group, you had to enable that. More challenging now. As mentioned East Yorkshire Retrofits that has a presence on this board have offered to remotely enable aspects of mib3 for a cost if the buyer, buys that Vag adapter. They would look up your Vin and see what's actually in the car. That's my best advice. They are licensed to do this work.

Its a genuine one of these VAS6154/6154A that retrofitters with fully licensed Vag software can remotely legally make changes to the car. Mib3 is locked down at a level that didnt occure with mib2 where hacks were used. Vag got that back under control with licenced access to the back end. So yes if I p've understand the question, that's the answer.

I'm wondering whether that falls into the European import into Israel. Is that where you are. The Middle East countries dont come with maps. If so it wont have a Middle East navigation FeC. The issue comes up in Africa. Think Turkey also. You have to find a retrofitter to make it work. Yes it was Turkey where the guy was most upset that the dealer car had Turkish maps but his hadn't. Was told to find a retrofitter. You can buy a dongle which a retrofitter patches into to do it remotely. East Yorkshire Retrofit in the UK gave that bit of advice. The Turkish one found a retrofitter locally. Does that make any sense. Israel / Europe.

Yes so basically where the firmware is deemed to need updating you'll get a radio logo update even if out of contract for connect services but if you dont satisfy those condition you wont get a radio logo update. If a Skoda or VW you can use the files. Seat / Cupra not since they never wrote the SE descriptor into those files of recent. You trade the money you saved by not maintaining connected services with holes in the logo radio screen and reduced functionality of not being able to send POIs to the car, turn the heating on if an EV etc. Think I'd pay up myself if I had an EV just to remotely turn the heating on and the POI functionality.

Perhaps the secret for those that go to mibsolutions is dont then you'll get a radio logo update... may be. As said before Seat / Cupra currently dont get a look in with these offline files, only online.

But was it over the air triggered by the use of that file. Have you got your LBC logo. Reckon MartiniB issues are round the unzip process. Some pesky implementations of it about. Seems latest 7zip or built in Windows managers does the business. Older zip programs struggle with some of the newer implementations. The other issue is where it doesn't appear on the virtual cockpit but on the main unit. You delete from favourites and reapply. Another one where that happens on mib3.

On the later I suspect it's like the map updates you are finding ones yet to be "released". If OTA is supported on out of connect service contract then the mib3 logo files beat the OTA becoming available which might be triggered by a firmware OTA. That's my theory. Yes I've yet to see which mib3 updates streams belong to which. Its going to be on the firmware. That's where you inspect mib solutions to see which hardware they are talking about. LG etc. Ateca / Karoq is on one set. Formentor / Skoda ? (MQB Evo) Is on another. EVs on another... the logos probably associated with the firmware - it's those part numbers you see in the files. The map files seem to be across. My two pennies worth. I can't see it will be only Seat / Cupra getting OTA out of connect services contract. Bet Skoda and VW are getting them. Those give you firmware, firmware + logos, or just logo. Whether you can get a logo updates out of contract OTA without a firmware update, not sure. These are just reports I'm reading spurred by publishing these logo links on the Seatcupra board.

Was it really an OTA or gave it a kick to get one. Seems something more is going on with these files. As far as the logo graphics are concerned Phonostar manage them for Vag so if they have holes in their files then you see those holes in Mib3. I'm hoping @MartiniB can throw some light on how out of contract Seat's get the firmware updates and logo updates. These seem to be pushed like a digital TV box. Vag decides they are eligible and gets them. May be they see these as critical updates to firmware so are rolled out for free. Question is whether the firmware update then triggers the logo update over air. The files in this thread with no SE in the descriptor aren't seen by Seat or Cupra, why I was surprised to find out units were being updated. Anyone.... may be it's common knowledge to the inner circle of mib enthusiasts.

Eek but what do you think of this ? https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/520105-radio-stations-logos-database-updates/page/8/#findComment-5959372 Seat users getting logo updates out of contract. I'm not sure whether that's a result of getting a firmware update pushed to the unit then the radio logo update. Anyhow it's been happening.

I would say you have a mib3... this one from above Mib3 (Superb Mk3.FL and similar) Tiguan 3G5 035 820 Q "FM3-E3-DWBC4-EU-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBC4-EU-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBC4-EU-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-WBC4-RW-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-WBC4-RW-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-WBC4-RW-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-WBC4-US-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBY4-EU-FO-MQ2-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBY4-EU-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBY4-EU-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBY4-W2-FO-MQ2-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBY4-W2-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-E3-DWBY4-W2-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-E3-HWBC4-RW-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EE-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EE-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EU-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EU-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-R2-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-R2-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-RW-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-RW-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W2-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W2-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W3-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EE-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EE-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EU-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EU-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-R2-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-R2-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-RW-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-RW-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-W2-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-W2-VW-MQ2-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-W3-SK-MQ2-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-RW-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-RW-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EE-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EE-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EU-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-EU-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-RW-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-RW-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-W2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NDWBY4-W2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-R2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-R2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-RW-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-RW-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-W2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-W2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-SM-NWBY4-W3-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EE-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EE-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EE-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EU-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EU-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-EU-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-R2-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-R2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-R2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-RW-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-RW-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-W2-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-W2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NDWBY4-W2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-R2-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-R2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-R2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W2-SE-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W2-SK-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W2-VW-MQB-PC", "FM3-S-NWBY4-W3-SK-MQB-PC" Content Downloadable Size 2023.12.20 2023.12.20 162 MB https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_JND_Europe_v1.31.48b.zip 2024.05.17 2024.11.07 1,13 GB https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_JND_Europe_v1.31.50.zip 2025.01.14 2025.02.20 166 MB https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_NonGP_JND_Europe_v1.31.56.zip 2025.01.08 2025.05.26 833 MB https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_JND_Europe_v1.31.56.zip 2025.03.19 2025.06.11 167 MB https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_JND_Europe_v1.31.58.zip What I did become aware of and waiting for @MartiniB comment is that firmware and logos get pushed to people out of contract if you are the primary user and chosen not to go incognito. The thread is where you want to upload the logos yourself and out of contract, but I suspect you might get thd logo uodate if the firmware is updated out of contract. You can fumble with the information screens to find what radio logo database you are on and compare with the above. There is no way to manually enter your own png image for missing logos. VAG closed that route down. Its a gripe of mib3. Haven't got mib3 myself. What I would say is you just unzip those files and present correctly. You can't tinker with mib3 files. It won't see them if you do. Use the latest 7zip for unzip or the latest windows file manager to drag and drop the files onto a blank USB-C. Adapters for type a to c are not recommended since some are not fully wired for data. Reversible memory sticks are liked with a data flashing light on them. So basically if you are in connected services contract, the mib3 file wont be required and it seems least for Seat updates are pushed over the air even if you aren't in contract, but that might be as part of a firmware update. I'd be interested to know whether Skoda out of connect services contract users are getting firmware updates and whether they get the radio logo one as well over the air.

@MartiniB it's become apparent that out of contract Seat mib3 people are getting radio logo updates over air. Whether they get these after an over the air firmware update out of contract then comes thd radio station logo update or whether they get these irregardless. Are Skodas getting out of contract firmware and radio logo updates on mib3 or is this something that Seat / Cupra get. Any views. You have to be logged in as primary user and not hiding yourself.

It downloaded fine in Blighty. 900Mbs connection. Firefox and Turbo Manager 3.0. People swear by these comms managers. Turbo Managers on iffy connections. Something I installed months ago and just leave it there. I did have a very iffy connection some years ago via radio rural broadband. Now full fibre to the premises. These download managers help with Mega files as well. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/turbo-download-manager/ I see there is one for Chrome. Chrome or whatever, Edge might have a built in one. I dont have a wobbly connection these days. Anyhow that's what they advice when the connection is problematic.

The TMC coding solution only works for Mib high/Columbus. Amundsen thread so not applicable irrespective of the country. How I picked it up.

Answer yes. Mib3 has zonal updates in it. So it is more zoned than mib2. Hence why they have just issued specific zones to RoW. It's based on connected services where the files are zoned so if you did have connected services it updates the map required for the destination. Thus in Europe with connected services you can strike a route between East and West Europe and it will trigger an over the air update. The modular construction of the files. Off line for RoW they just give you your piece.... clear as mud. Offline in Europe you get the whole European file. They didn't bother issuing Europe in fragments.

I see you have been following the threads... no. Its a UK issue with the provider that Vag uses pulling out of the business. It also happened in France. Probably elsewhere in Europe. Where there are more than one provider you can knock it onto another provider but only if the core map file is set up for it. Here Maps you did the TMC group change but once it changed to TomTom cartography for the mib2 standard you needed to wash it through the mib2 standard toolkit. Ozzie mastered this with the mib2 standard tool kit. Im terrible with names... the Briskoda rather sound person... you know who you are... did the same but you needed to hack the maps with the toolkit. Next came the Audi programer and twiddle he recoded the nds modules so you just over wrote those in the map files. Its all on a Briskoda thread but certain amount of chatter about getting Vag to do it. Well Vag won't they dropped it of. They would probably need to pay the other provider. Its self help. I always thought it would be. For the Columbus which is a mib2 high then the solution is the TMC coding change and that just works with map updates. For the Amundsen which is a mib2 standard then it's old maps and the nds file fix. Old maps aren't really that satisfactory where a movement to lower motoring speeds has come into the UK. Without TSR you got the wrong road speed shown. Will edit in some links. Briskoda thread where the solution was posted: Then I reproduced this attributed here on the SeatCupra board... doesn't contain the chat, only the solution. Mib2 standard: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib2-satnav-mib2-tricks-and-mib1.388586/page-136#post-5037297 Mib2 high: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib2-satnav-mib2-tricks-and-mib1.388586/page-136#post-5035425

Or just buy a 32gb Vag card of Ebay. Any Vag card, VW, Skoda or Seat from a reliable seller. The original older 32gb you might find cheaper. Saves the hassle.

Technically it hasn't been released but found on servers before the web page has been released. It's the normal thing. It seems that the generation of these files has become a fine art. These are still TomTom cartography.

The other one on the logos which Chillout liked (the guru of mib2 hacks) was this https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/station-logo-downloader.465980/ The poster had written a script to scrape all of the media.info logos. The script probably now needs changing to reflect any web page changes. This was in the days of mib2 only. The media.info ones will be more complete than the Phonostar ones. Really for mib2 people. I just do the odd one by hand on the in fill basis. This logo extraction is for that. Mib2 files in the Phonostar database may be useful for your purpose. I dont profess to know Audi systems. Gone a bit off topic.

First paragraph yes. They put dummy code in first, then the real code. The dummy code was to fake a poi import. The hashes intricately have the size of file in them so I reckon you might be snookered. Need that password... best of luck. Anything mib3 more thought went in to stop tinkering. The logos in the phonostar mib2 files are open as recall.

Two things go on here is the password on the SQL database the second one is an SHA lock to stop the files being tampered with. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1 SHA-1 was the one used in mib2. That one can't be home defeated unless you got security service hardware by brute force methods. Vag upped the anti by improving that further with longer keys. Those you see in the mib3 firmware. Currently in bed but i'd be very surprised that the SHA key lock isnt in the radio files as well. Vag got tired of hobbyists hacking the software. Mib2 firmware was only re-written by hobbyist enthusiasts because of a mistake in the turnstile of how POIs were imported in mib2. It was found that whilst the POI part was sealed with SHA-1 against change anything after it slipped in without checking. Only the hashes had to sum. Like someone sliding in behind you on an automated ticket barrier. The mib enthusiast group(s) then wrote all of the mods on that basis. All in one firmware (AOL). You can check whether your firmware is original in mib2 by inspecting for the signature lines at the end. No signature it's modded. Vag closed off this weakness by taking it away. Some people believe this is why poi import isnt allowed in mib3 although it appeared in the first manuals. Phonostar have the manufacturer keys to generate the import. The mib2 public key is the same whether firmware or maps. There is a method where you can hand run the software check in SHA-1 which mimics how it's done in the device. Degree level pure mathematics. Branch of cyptology that was developed within "pure" maths... it stopped it being pure then 😉. I've run that check and found the mib2 firmware is all manufactured with the same private key which will be closely guarded (due to the public key being the same). At that point after understanding how the files were locked up I gave up trying to twiddle with them. Then subsequent to that the turnstile weakness was found in mib2. The toolboxes of putting the green menu in the car all use the same turnstile hack. It sporned the AOL firmware and the in car tool boxes in mib2. So anyhow if you see banks of signature lines in the files that's what they are. A difference in those to the hash row which can be recomputed. Signature rows can't be.

Wonder if you were a registered VW customer whether you'd see the map update or whether they have done their trick of discontinuing a service early 🤔. They have a reputation of that.

You won't be changing mib3 files. Locked down. Mib2 logo files are available and can be imported