BBC NEWS | UK | Hauliers protesting at fuel cost

I'm surprised they have waited this long :eek:

its the second time they have done one, last one was in april.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Truckers in diesel price protest

No amount of protesting will stop the price going up, let alone come back down! May stop brown putting the tax up but the fact of the matter is, we,r running out of oil and prices are going to continue to rise. :(

Will fuel ever come down in price....:confused:

Will fuel ever come down in price....:confused:

Never ever. People will have to get used to using there cars less and driving like grannies, simple as.

its about time, but i know it takes a lot of preperation to organise. its also regarded between now and start of september as the quiet period of the year for haulage firms too.

Remember the hauliers are only protesting for themselves, demanding a rebate for the "essential" fuel they use.

Obviously the fuel other motorists use isn't essential, it's just optional with a choice of running the car on either a tank of diesel or a tank of compressed birds nests and ketchup.

Goverment is winning, they are starting seeing more people using public transport and less on the roads.

As soon as fuel reaches £2 a litre here, its bye bye britain for me!

Goverment is winning, they are starting seeing more people using public transport and less on the roads.

They were saying on the new today that there is almost NO duty paid on fuel for buses :thumbdwn:

They are always late (If they ever) turn up & cost (In most cases) MORE than driving your own car.

Yes the price of oil has gone up but why can't the government drop some of the duty?

What have they done with all the extra money they have made?

The more the price of fuel goes up the more we will pay for everything else so it's just a vicious circle

Never ever. People will have to get used to using there cars less and driving like grannies, simple as.

That's not entirely true. There are more proven reserves now than there ever have been. Part of the reaons for the cost being as high as it is is down to the fact that the more recently-discovered reserves are harder (and more expensive) to tap, and part of it's down to most of the World's oil and gas being produced by three cartels: OPEC; the OECD; and the post-Soviet states. Each of these work to control production and effectively fix the price. This controlled production is then fed to the markets, where currently oil is 'hot property' in light of traders' fears regarding other commodities, property, etc.

Although the control of supply is done in the name of ekeing-out reserves (which won't run out in any of our lifetimes, but I agree with in principle all the same), it's obviously in the cartels' interests to limit supply (and therefore price) to a level where it's just-about affordable for all sectors of the market, which is where we are now IMO - just look at the oil companies' bumper profits across the board compared to the fact that most people are thinking about cutting back, but haven't actually gone so far as to actually do so.

Assuming viable alternative energy sources become available, the demand for crude oil would decrease, in which case the oil producers would have to either cut their prices or go out of business. Of course, the presumption there is that a. viable alternative sources do become available, and b. the alternative producers don't fix prices themselves...

As soon as fuel reaches £2 a litre here, its bye bye britain for me!

Fuel prices are rising everywhere, in spain its gone up nearly 50% since the start of the year and france isnt far behind.

My Friend in Germany tells me Derv is now more than petrol down there and around the 1.50 Euro Mark.

TBH, I think the government should stop adding VAT to the portion that is fuel duty and then charge a small windfall tax on the oil companies say 1% that would probably cover that loss.

its about time we realise that governments are out to rob the public blind, do they give a toss, no!

Is stupid that everything goes up in price but not my wages!!!

But also its our country so why dont we have the right to do something about it. protest, bomb the money grabbing fat ******* or something else i dont think many would care bout that either. Canada i am off to soon and cant wait, not for cheaper petrol just for a better life style than the so called `great`britain.

No it's never going to come down. As said it isn't going to run out any time soon either. The Canadian tar sands are reported to have 1.7 trillion barrels worth of oil in them but extraction is much more expensive. There are other deep water reserves too. Again more expensive to get but the high price right now is making them viable.

The gov is desperate for money. They have overspent massively and still have promised to keep to all the chavs and their cash babies in ciggies, mobiles, kappa tracksuits and Argos bling.

I heard the news saying that oil might reach $150 a barrel by the end of the year. I thought we'd be there by the end of the month.

If the public finances weren't in such a **** state the windfall from the oil and fuel duty could have been used to massively regenerate the public transport infrastructure.

This government have presided over an overheated housing market that have forced workers further and further from their jobs. they take away the buses and leave the railways to rot. Now they complain that we use our cars too much and we must be taxed to stop us.

Where I lived there used to be rail link to where I work. Now there is no railway and no buses.

Meanwhile the political b&$ards are arranging themselves a sweet deal for the future.

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I think I'm going to start the 'Bloody Angry' party.

its about time we realise that governments are out to rob the public blind, do they give a toss, no!

Is stupid that everything goes up in price but not my wages!!!

But also its our country so why dont we have the right to do something about it. protest, bomb the money grabbing fat ******* or something else i dont think many would care bout that either. Canada i am off to soon and cant wait, not for cheaper petrol just for a better life style than the so called `great`britain.

Problem is that no matter which government is in power, taxes and fuel etc will always be high. We, as hard working citizens all want decent wages, even in the public sector to be able to afford our flat screen TVs, summer garden furniture and latest mobile phone gadget, let alone keep paying the mortgage particularly when the fixed discount period at 4.5% you took out two years ago is about to end. Therefore companies whether they be in manufacturing, service, or public sector have to charge for accordingly for their goods to pay their employees. I'm sure we all agree minimum wage and having graduate employees is a good thing, but someone has to pay for it and that's you and me.

So what to do? Sponge off the state on benefits and make a few bob on the side it would seem. A bit of added criminality would help top up income too. The latest government idea about higher road tax for older vehicles (so-called high polluting), is easy to avoid; SORN your vehicle but carry on driving. You might as well forget the insurance too. Ideal then for motoring around urban roads to the school, to the shops and not much further - likelihood of getting caught by number plate recognition cameras - minimal.

I hope they are gone when i go down the A40 later this evening

Watching this on the news earlier has really infuriated me.

The lads that wanted to protest in Wales were held up for 2 hours by the Police while they handed out notices threatening Arrest if the caused any delays or obstruction and then when they were allowed to move off they were prevented from getting to their chosen final destination to hand over their pettition by Police. Surely they have the right to protest in our supposedly free country and I'm damned sure that if it were a race related protest they wouldn't have penned them into a service station.

Yesterday's papers reported something like a £13m increase in fuel duty revenue generated by the recent price increases.

Fuel IS running out. We use 100s of millions of barrels a day, oil takes millions of years to create.

I no it may not run out in our life times this is true and im aware of the fact that now fuel is dearer they will be digging down to the oil pits that previousley were not finacially viable. I still dont think prices will ever go down, the only way is up im afraid!

Watching this on the news earlier has really infuriated me.

The lads that wanted to protest in Wales were held up for 2 hours by the Police while they handed out notices threatening Arrest if the caused any delays or obstruction and then when they were allowed to move off they were prevented from getting to their chosen final destination to hand over their pettition by Police. Surely they have the right to protest in our supposedly free country and I'm damned sure that if it were a race related protest they wouldn't have penned them into a service station.

BBC NEWS | England | Berkshire | Police arrest 11 peace protesters

According to the police, officers only intervened "to minimise disruption to the community and to ensure the safety of the public".

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A HUMAN rights group has pledged to take action against a police force which tried to prosecute a teenager for branding Scientology a "cult".

thats a couple in a quick search where the police act to protect 'other' interests.

Also it's illegal to protest at Westminster

BBC NEWS | Politics | Westminster protests to be banned

"You are free to do as we tell you" - Bill hicks

Remember the hauliers are only protesting for themselves, demanding a rebate for the "essential" fuel they use.

Your'e certainly in cuckoo land, if fuel goes up the hauliers have to pass the costs on to the shops, shops need to make a profit too so therefore will then pass the extra cost on to us the shoppers!!

The market price for oil is as high as the market will support (as has already been said). That the end price of fuel differs so much from even our continental friends, let alone the yanks, despite the huge increases they too have seen, is surely all down to our fleecing tax system.

Any 'green' arguments about not dropping prices are just a convenient smokescreen, something for the politicians to hide behind.

The government's own environmental advice (the Stern report) tried to put a price on carbon emissions and based on the figure they came up with our fuel duty is already at least 12p too high. But we know what the government does with the advice it receives.

The market price for oil is as high as the market will support (as has already been said). That the end price of fuel differs so much from even our continental friends, let alone the yanks, despite the huge increases they too have seen, is surely all down to our fleecing tax system.

It's not all that different to other Western European countries.

Just checked , and German unleaded is 1.48 Euros which is £1.17 for example.

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Is that more to do with the pound's slide against the Euro? Or is the pounds weakness infact part of the problem? And £1.17? Luxury - they said on the radio this morning that the average diesel price TODAY was around 1.28, over 1p up on yesterday!!!

As I have said a few times before .......don't moan about what the government is doing......if you can do better why not put yourself up for election, then you can change it all and make things better

I for one would love to see it happen.

If they took a penny of the tax to overcome the vat side of the increase that would probably be it anyway

If you take tax off of fuel to bring the price down it will have to be recouped from somewhere else ...perhaps higher VAT or maybe a hike in income tax.....personally I quite like the idea that those who use it pay for it.

The ironic thing is.......to protest about the fact they cant afford the fuel ....they go and waste it by driving on a pointless exercise

Fuel IS running out. We use 100s of millions of barrels a day, oil takes millions of years to create.

I no it may not run out in our life times this is true and im aware of the fact that now fuel is dearer they will be digging down to the oil pits that previousley were not finacially viable. I still dont think prices will ever go down, the only way is up im afraid!

It is not running out, there are lots of proven reserves and it may cost lots to get it but by no means running out.

I read somewhere the world uses around 85 million barrels per day