get a 1600.

my 1600 will kill my sisters KA

I noticed in some of your pictures that you still had a lot of trim in the car. I would strip all un wanted items - door cards (handles / winders etc), carpets, spare wheel - roof trim, plastics etc. You will be surprised by how much weight you will save!

yeah, i do, that was a conscious deciscion, in case i wanted to compete in Group N. Rallying, and also because the car is road legal, taxed and mot'd (our equivelant) so nice to have a bit of comfort/quiteness when on the road sections/driving to an event LOL

I like how you got that air filter on. Allows you to keep the warm air feed etc.

You noticed any difference with it? Maybe just more noise.

I think the trick with the felly is to keep it rolling as fast as possible at all times other wise you loose momentum and after start the hard work all over again.

Perhaps a change of cam and isn't there an ECU that is a straight swap and removes/increases the rev limit?

Phil

Well, there's a fair bit can be done with the engine under Group A rules. If you want some ideas for the internals, have a look at the RWD Skodas forum as well.

Even under GpN, you don't have to retain stuff like sound deadening material.

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I'm pretty sure you don't even need interior trim to participate in Group N stage rallying, never mind sound deadening. You used to have to keep it, but then it was recognised as a fire hazard. I certainly never had any trim (except door cards) when I ran my old Felicia in Group N. Road rallies are a different matter though.

Case for reading the Blue Book properly.

I like how you got that air filter on. Allows you to keep the warm air feed etc.

Have you still got a std air filter in as well? :confused:

the reason i ask is the filter is before the warm air feed, so if any air is getting sucked through this feed it is unfiltered air - not good :eek:

if you have the std filter in situ then the cone filter is pointless.

Case for reading the Blue Book properly.

Are they under MSA rules in Ireland or FIA rules? (yellow book)

Also check the regs of the rallies you intend to enter as the homologation has probably run out on Felicia - to run in grp N (or A for that matter) you should need the homologation papers, if they have run out then you can do what you like to the car.

(BTW i have not rallied in Ireland so I'm unsure on the regs, but i have rallied in Europe under FIA rules and that was the case there)

The trick with any low powered car is to get the weight down to a minimum and keep the momentum going.

Have you still got a std air filter in as well? :confused:

the reason i ask is the filter is before the warm air feed, so if any air is getting sucked through this feed it is unfiltered air - not good :eek:

if you have the std filter in situ then the cone filter is pointless.

Oh yeh. Never thought of that. Perhaps a small filter could be put inside or on the warm air feed? Or just remove the system. Would that have any knock-on effects?

Phil

Case for reading the Blue Book properly.

Blue book wouldn't help.

The Felicia is homologated until the end of 2010, so you'd need to consult the FIA Yellow Book. In fact the Group N regs are available for download from the FIA website. The last time I looked at them they didn't mention having to keep the trim.

no standard filter, just the cone filter...

Makes no diffenece at all

Car looks good.

I have been toying with the idea of getting a Felicia and turning it into a track day car.

I have seen a few 1600 Felicias for next to nothing and as I live near Mallory Park could even drive it to events.

Would a Felicia make a good base for a track day car or should I start with something like a 205GTI?

Cheers

WW

prob gonna sell this soon enough as ive just bought a Mk1 Golf rally car now

Im shocked by how similar the two cars are, Same rear axle, same suspension...

if only you could squeeze in the Gti engine and box into the Felicia, you'd have a flier!

prob gonna sell this soon enough as ive just bought a Mk1 Golf rally car now

Im shocked by how similar the two cars are, Same rear axle, same suspension...

if only you could squeeze in the Gti engine and box into the Felicia, you'd have a flier!

they are built in much the same way along much the same mechanical principals.

it is a shame the parts aren't more compatible

very nice mate!!! keep up the good work,ive just finished re shelling a vauxhall nova rallycar for a friend of mine,she rolled the last one!!:eek: rallying is great fun,not the cheapest motor sport,i still remember the day when i heard a metro 6R4 on full pelt in otterburn-the noise is summat else,but im a petrolhead anyway!:)you cant beat a works escort mk1 or 2 (proper rallycars!)enjoy your rallycar mate:thumbup:

I want to rally a skoda felicaia where can i get the part's to start putting the car togather .

I want to get a EFI engine for it and a 6th speed gearbox and a roll cage

yeah, i do, that was a conscious deciscion, in case i wanted to compete in Group N. Rallying, and also because the car is road legal, taxed and mot'd (our equivelant) so nice to have a bit of comfort/quiteness when on the road sections/driving to an event LOL

As has already been said, some of the trim can be removed - James (fruitbat) was right; it used to be compulsory to keep it, but it's a fire hazard, so it no longer has to be. You have to keep door cards in place (or replace them with carbon ones, if you have money to burn), but you can remove the carpet, sound deadening and headlining; I did this on my previous Grp N Felicia and it lost about 30Kg in the process.

Wild Woods - the 1600 engine isn't that great in standard form; most of the tuning parts I've seen have been for the 1.3 Skoda engine, BUT there are tuning parts for the 1.6 as well, and some of the kit cars were 1.6 based, and obviously didn't hang about. Not sure what the extra weight does for the handling compared to a 1.3, but a 1.3 wouldn't be much fun on the track (but great in the woods).

Rallymar - why do you want a 6-speed box? As for the rally bits, they are easily obtainable; Custom Cages will do you a weld-in cage, or James has just fitted his re-shell with a Safety Devices one which is a lot easier. I have a brand new shell with a weld in cage sat at djaychela towers right now, in fact.

Custom Cages will do you a weld-in cage, or James has just fitted his re-shell with a Safety Devices one which is a lot easier.

Actually, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm not sure I would have bothered with the Safety Devices bolt in cage if I'd known how much hassle it would be to fit to an RB felicia (the later, Reinforced body type).

Custom Cages will supply and fit their weld in cage for about £1,400 plus vat. The SD bolt in one, with front triangulation, comes to just over £900. And it doesn't fit the RB car without some (ahem) modification... I chose to buy a welder (cost around £300) plus gas, wire, and other kit and so on. OK, I could have got someone else to attach the plates to the car, and now at least I've got a nice MIG welder, but really, it would just have been a lot easier to get CC to fit one of theirs, which to be honest, are better cages anyway (more bars, more mounts, welded in rather than bolted in etc.)

In fact, I think if I had really understood what was involved in building a decent rally car, I would have bought Darren's spare shell! I've taken my car back almost to the bare shell now anyway.....

Experience is a wonderful thing...

James

Would it strain our friendship if I said "told you so"?

Having said that, I have vowed I will never fit another weld-in cage myself, so as you say, experience is a wonderful thing, usually gained just after you needed it.

Rallymar, European Fellies all have fuel injected engines as standard (yes even the diesels). A 6-speed box won't pass scrutineering unless you're running in a non-FIA homologation series.

A 6-speed box won't pass scrutineering unless you're running in a non-FIA homologation series.

No, that's wrong. 6-speed boxes were homologated for the Felicia in Group A, under 02/02 VO, with an extension for pages 12 and 13, showing the box having 6 speeds and a reverse on a pull cable; They're also given under 03/03 VO. I've seen quite a few cars running these boxes, and as they're under VO, not VK they can be run in Group A without problems.

And, for the record, pre-event scrutineering is little to do with eligibility; usually only in post-event scrutineering are such things checked for the most part, hence alteration of results in some cases.

iirc skoda did this as a factory team for a while. putting 6th were reverse should be and reverse outside.

Yeah, the gate is arranged like that, 6th is where reverse is in the standard box (although obviously not inside the box), and the reverse is on a pull cable, which I've seen a couple of different arrangements for... The boxes aren't as uncommon as you'd think; some used a sandwich plate between the two standard casings for the extra space needed.

I keep meaning to ask Darren, where did you get your box from in the end? (clearly not where you were going to get it from!)

I'd be quite interested in acquiring one myself...

James

Oh, and in answer to your question, not at all. But noone *really* likes a smartarse.... ;-)