looks great. good job. cant wait to see it in the flesh.

you took your time and it paid off. well done. i know i dont have the patience to do it over 2 weeks!!!!

did mine in 1 day, over night drying and then back on the following morning!!!!

Missed this until now - great guide!

Edit: want me to move it to the guides section?

This is not a great guide.

Removing an important safety feature of any road going car is a foolish and dangerous thing to do, and will almost certainly render the insurance null and void.

Its little wonder Skoda refuse to endorse Briskoda, if we condone unapproved modifications to important safety sytems such as this.

IMO threads of this nature, should either be deleted or moved to a new section, perhaps entitled "not for road use".

This is not a great guide.

Removing an important safety feature of any road going car is a foolish and dangerous thing to do, and will almost certainly render the insurance null and void.

Its little wonder Skoda refuse to endorse Briskoda, if we condone unapproved modifications to important safety sytems such as this.

IMO threads of this nature, should either be deleted or moved to a new section, perhaps entitled "not for road use".

We are all entiltled to modify our cars if we want to, I am not forcing anyone to do this. Their choice. I am not the first person to do this and not the last. You have your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Here here. If you'd ever met Mark or seen his car you would know that becuase it is so low it will clearly never clear his driveway so it'll never be used on the road anyway

We are all entiltled to modify our cars if we want to, I am not forcing anyone to do this. Their choice.

I have no problem with modifying any road vehicle provided it is done correctly, safely and remains within the law relating to construction and use, and type approval.

What I do have a problem with is unsafe modifications such as your crash bar mod, being promoted on a web site, and possibly encouraging others to follow suit.

The crash bar is a very important component and is vital to ensure impact forces are correctly and safely absorbed by the front of the car.

Anyone who does this mod will not only have you made there car unsafe but you will also have added themselves to the many thousands of other un-insured drivers on our roads.

I have to admit i would never do this to a road going car but if Mark wants to do it then it's his choice. I do hope it won't invalidate his insurance though, that would concern me.

I remember seeing a 3 series BMW which folded after someone ran into the back of it. The owners had installed speakers on the rear parcel shelf and cut some metal out of the way. This metal was critical to the design of the crash protection. Seeing as this is a crash bar i wont be fitting a fmic unless i can leave it as is.

Ignoring the insurance questions what will one be like in a crash? Id hate the think.

Must be getting old, dam

What I do have a problem with is unsafe modifications such as your crash bar mod, being promoted on a web site, and possibly encouraging others to follow suit.

The crash bar is a very important component and is vital to ensure impact forces are correctly and safely absorbed by the front of the car.

No **** sherlock! The risks of this mod are obvious to everyone.

Bowders isn't promoting or encouraging anyone to do this, he's just showing us what he's done, and a mighty fine job of it he did too. It's his car, and his safety.

It sounds like you're getting your self all worked up! Are you Bowders' mummy?!

Should this mod have a briskoda disclaimer like the ones for group buys?

Oh no wait ill get also laughed at so forget i said that

Looking good that!!!

I always think the bumper mod (with black mesh) looks better on silver cars than the other colours..... I am biased however.

Steve:)

As a matter of interest when I did mine I kept the top and bottom section of the cross beam, I lasered the front facing section out so not to block any flow and to maintain some degree of rigidity. You can't tell when you look.....just a thought as I can see some people are getting a little stressed!!!!!!!!

I'll try and dig a picture or two out to highlight what I'm dribbling on about.....

Here is the bar....

Steve:)

Edited 21 September, 200916 yr by Steevie Wonder

Mark is one of the most informative members on the site and is always willing to help.

His attention to detail shows a job not just done but done properly, and i dont think he would have done this without considering the full implications of removing the crash bar.

He is not encouraging others to do this, just showing others what can be done!

Out of interest, does anyone know how well a cut down crash bar would work, and does this mod invalidate your insurance.......steve...mark....and anyone else who has done this....what does your insurer say?

Edited 21 September, 200916 yr by sweedish

As a matter of interest when I did mine I kept the top and bottom section of the cross beam, I lasered the front facing section out so not to block any flow and to maintain some degree of rigidity. You can't tell when you look.....just a thought as I can see some people are getting a little stressed!!!!!!!!

I'll try and dig a picture or two out to highlight what I'm dribbling on about.....

Here is the bar....

Steve:)

That's a really neat solution Steve. I love how your car almost looks normal, apart from the 'hungry' bumper and AP's! I bet you can upset some BMW drivers in that!

I have no problem with modifying any road vehicle provided it is done correctly, safely and remains within the law relating to construction and use, and type approval.

What I do have a problem with is unsafe modifications such as your crash bar mod, being promoted on a web site, and possibly encouraging others to follow suit.

The crash bar is a very important component and is vital to ensure impact forces are correctly and safely absorbed by the front of the car.

Anyone who does this mod will not only have you made there car unsafe but you will also have added themselves to the many thousands of other un-insured drivers on our roads.

I am not getting into a slanging match here. I am also not going to defend the modification I did, I have no case to do so simple as that.

I am also not responsible for anyone else doing this mod as I did write up in the first thread it was my choice. Any owner on this site is going to be aware that removing a chunk of metal from the front of the car is not a sensible idea from a accident point of view.

Including all the owners that have already done this mod. Even leaving part of the lower section as in Stevie's case is not going to support an accident in the way a unmodded crash bar would..

I am also sure that Skoda would not like or approve folks increasing the performance of there cars to over 100% in some cases and maybe not fully support a website that details there mods to this extent.

Thank you for bringing up your points to this thread.

Edited 21 September, 200916 yr by Bowders1

I wonder if you could drill holes in the bar rather than cut it out all together?

Biggish holes that is (4-5cm holes)

who fecking cares !!!!

you brake the speed limit you invalidate insurance etc etc so many different reasons that we all do wrong at some point.

its a great mod and looks the nuts and if thats what he choses to do then so be it...!!!

what you going to say next do not map your car as that will make you go faster than the speed limit and above tested limits of crashes???

please if you have nothing good to say about the mod or how good it looks go do something else ( you are a mod hater:mad:)

Looks the Bollo x to me.

On a note about safety is he also saying that older cars without a crash bar are unsafe then, and i wouldn't be able to get insured on one? I think not.

Chris knott were told about both my Octys, all mods declared

With respect to the crash bar yes it has been weakened but this would only be of concern if the other car was to hit the "gap" smack in the middle at an angle, not head on....brother in law whose a structual engineer said all other charecteristics of the bar would remain as the supporting brackets have not been moved......

You make your own decisions in life, and i for one dont plan on having an accident

HTH

Phil

I wonder if you could drill holes in the bar rather than cut it out all together?

Biggish holes that is (4-5cm holes)

If you get the Forge bumper then they already have holes in them jus not on the face. I dont think it will look as cool jus to drill large holes in the face ot it.

I love this mod and think that Mark has done an ace job same as Steve

billy

who fecking cares !!!!

you brake the speed limit you invalidate insurance etc etc so many different reasons that we all do wrong at some point.

its a great mod and looks the nuts and if thats what he choses to do then so be it...!!!

what you going to say next do not map your car as that will make you go faster than the speed limit and above tested limits of crashes???

please if you have nothing good to say about the mod or how good it looks go do something else ( you are a mod hater:mad:)

No I'm not a mod hater...... I also have a modfied octavia vrs.

However I only carry out a modifications that improve/upgrade on OEM spec.

I stand by what I said, cutting the centre section out of the crash bar is foolish, end of.

But for you my friend, I say go for it... you and this mod were made for each other.

Chris knott were told about both my Octys, all mods declared

With respect to the crash bar yes it has been weakened but this would only be of concern if the other car was to hit the "gap" smack in the middle at an angle, not head on....brother in law whose a structual engineer said all other charecteristics of the bar would remain as the supporting brackets have not been moved......

You make your own decisions in life, and i for one dont plan on having an accident

HTH

Phil

Who does - that's why they are called accidents

At the end of the day, the modification isn't likely to do any more damage to the car that hits him. If worst comes to the worst, let's just hope there's no-one else in the car if anything major did happen.

Can we stop arguing now ?

Who does - that's why they are called accidents

At the end of the day, the modification isn't likely to do any more damage to the car that hits him. If worst comes to the worst, let's just hope there's no-one else in the car if anything major did happen.

Can we stop arguing now ?

+1 here too

If you dont like it say so but dont have a go at the person who has done it!

If you dont like it then dont do it but I cant see the problem. yes it prob weakens the car but its only the people in that car that will suffer, and it prob wont matter to the thing it hits.

Id just like to say well done to bowders for that mod,looks top!

You must of had some patience taking all them photos for a start!

Looks really good,a job well done

ps...hes only moaning coz he cant do it himself lol

Looks ace!!!!