I have searched but could not find anything about the above

Basically, my friend who is a mechanic has said that the engines in the Vrs's are not built to the same high standard that the Golf GTI's are?ie in different factories by different people/quality parameters:wonder:

He seems to have factual information on this and I wondered if there was any truth in it or reliability comparisons that anyone has come across.

Hope this is in the right place-or has not been asked before.

cheers

If you look at the reliability tables and JD power surveys Skoda finishes above VW so if anything I would have said it was the other way round...

Don't forget, Skoda normally has to wait for the newer engines, by which time most of the initial problems have been discovered and fixed

Do they even bother making different engine for different cars? I'd always assumed they all got made and then shipped out from one place?

If they do make the same engine in several different places for different marques I can't see any profit to be made by saddling Skoda with the naff engines? Especially as that would surely require active input and more costs, as they would have to re test all the components to ensure they're safer at lower tolerances?

Can't see this being true TBH.

I was very taken aback by his comments and as posted above could not see any reason for it to happen-he seems to swear by it though

Thanks for the replies

What's that I can smell?

Oh yes b*llsh*t

What's that I can smell?

Oh yes b*llsh*t

You beat me to it.

When Clive broke down at my place the AA bloke said he sees a lot more Golf's by the side of the road than Skoda's

When Clive broke down at my place the AA bloke said he sees a lot more Golf's by the side of the road than Skoda's

Yeah but that's because V-Dub owners are notorious doggers.

Complete Horlicks. The 1.9TDI is one of the best engines ever made. 90% of problems are down to wrong oil being used, and resulting in knackered camshafts and lifters.

How do you make an engine more crappy anyway? That means they'd have to choose certain components and say to the manufacturers, "Can we have 60,000 of these made out of good stuff and another 60,000 out of substandard metal please?"

Then they'd have to label them discreetly so that no-one will know the difference (other than your mechanic friend that is) and ship them out to be put into the Skoda engines.

Does he also believe that Elvis works in a chip shop and that Prince Philip murdered Diana?

Gone are the days when a car plant manufactured the bodies and engines etc. Most modern car plants are assembly areas with most of the parts being shipped in. VAG will have engine plants that supply engines to the assembly plants for Audi, VW, Skoda and Seat.

Engine requirements are generated when an order for a car goes into the system, so to try and make different grades of engine quality would be difficult and expensive.

Just for a curved ball question, are Skoda engines built at Skoda factories or are they shipped in in a crate from VW group---that would confirm it either way I suppose?

Think that certain engines are built by the different brands but shared out. I know that Skoda produce all the 1.2 6 and 12v, think they also design and produce all the 1.2 tsi engines. As well as finishing some of the 2.0 diesels. The only engine which is sightly different is the 2.0 petrol used in the A3 which has direct injection not sure if the mk6 gti uses that (has an extra 10hp I think) which is why your friend may say they have different components as they are different engines. But in terms of mk5 gti and octy vrs pretty sure they are identical in engine terms.

What would be the point of using the same engine if they built it to different standards in different places? Engineering wise, it's a nonsense.

If they are built in different places, why does my engine have the Audi logo stamped all over it, instead of the Skoda one?

If you look at the reliability tables and JD power surveys Skoda finishes above VW so if anything I would have said it was the other way round...

Don't forget, Skoda normally has to wait for the newer engines, by which time most of the initial problems have been discovered and fixed

If only car manufacturers were that enlightened.

VW find and fix initial problems ? Huge amounts of stifled s******ing (Bloody, Over active propriety filter).

Like the perenial head gasket leak near no 1 cylinder which persisted from 1974 to 1990 on Mks1 -3 on the VW Golf. Like the under-engineered waterways on the early Golf engine that produced overheating in the slightest traffic congestion. Like the serious clutch induced passenger cabin bulkhead failure on "N" model MK 1 Golf - not even a recall on that mate.(DOT observing the "Silence is Golden rule".)

Nah, changes in design means changing tooling/casting/forgings/stampings. That means lots more Gelt before you've got you're investment back on the first set of capital expenditure on the line.

Nick

Edited 14 May, 201016 yr by Clunkclick

Just for a curved ball question, are Skoda engines built at Skoda factories or are they shipped in in a crate from VW group---that would confirm it either way I suppose?

I was watching them assemble 1.2 engines in the Skoda factory when there last. Proper assembly line job. Didn't see any diesel engines being put together, so they might be put together by VW, then shipped to Skoda? And Skoda probably ship loads of 1.2 engines to VW for the Polo/Lupo?

Web sites say that last Skoda designed engine to be used in recent Skoda models was the 1.4 MPI 8v fitted to early Fabs. This was dropped in 2004 due to it not meeting pollution control - bored -out push rod engine previously fitted to felicia/favorit.

Total skoda production is 700,000 passenger cars per year. VW production approx 3.7m passenger cars. That's why the AA man sees more broken down VWs. If he reported more than 5.5 broken down VWs to every one broken Skoda , then it might be significant.

The Skoda engine plant at Mlada Boleslav produces 300,000 engines pa. Presume the balance comes from bratislava, germany and spain.

So differences in durability might be due to differences in training, quality control, place of manufacture/assembly rather than design.

Just checked the VIN for my car, 1.4 100hp 16v saloon, 2002, BBZ engine, look-up says Mlada Boleslav, which, i understand, also does final assembly.

Nick

Edited 14 May, 201016 yr by Clunkclick

As Jason said.. they have various engine factories.. iirc the skoda engine factory in Czech makes the small capacity engines.. and the tfsi bigger engines are made in germany by Audi.

Back in the 1.9 PD engines heyday, it was believed that the blocks were different grade steel for the various power outputs based on the fact of different part numbers, but this was never proven.

Web sites say that last Skoda designed engine to be used in recent Skoda models was the 1.4 MPI 8v fitted to early Fabs. This was dropped in 2004 due to it not meeting pollution control - bored -out push rod engine previously fitted to felicia/favorit.

Total skoda production is 700,000 passenger cars per year. VW production approx 3.7m passenger cars. That's why the AA man sees more broken down VWs. If he reported more than 5.5 broken down VWs to every one broken Skoda , then it might be significant.

The Skoda engine plant at Mlada Boleslav produces 300,000 engines pa. Presume the balance comes from bratislava, germany and spain.

So differences in durability might be due to differences in training, quality control, place of manufacture/assembly rather than design.

Just checked the VIN for my car, 1.4 100hp 16v saloon, 2002, BBZ engine, look-up says Mlada Boleslav, which, i understand, also does final assembly.

Nick

ah ok this is now starting to be interesting!

Just for reference, I have owned 2 Seat Leons, a Cupra and a Cupra R and I am currently very interested in a Vrs petrol so please dont think the thread was started out of anything other than curiosity of what my mechanic friend pointed out to me!

He is an Audi/Vw independent specialist and has some good contacts in the trade.

Also for reference, another close friend of mine has a nearly new Golf GTI that has had endless faults with boost and cooling issues that are still not resolved:x

AND also for reference, I drive a 98 Polo 1.4L with 80k on the clock(been in the family since brand new), not had a clutch yet or gearbox(no bearing either) and is an absolute tank of a car:love:-ok neither front windows work any more and the console bulbs have gone but THATS IT in 12 years!!!--That's good that is:happy:

all made to the same standard but there is different engine across the board in the 1.8t department

audi/cupra 225 is different not better made just uses stronger internals stronger rods pistons crank etc etc

golf i think aum uses same engine just an better crank and a large port head ( 150bhp engine)

the engine found in the skoda auq and the same 180 power plant in the tt and the seat and the vw have all the same parts and are the smae engine with different codes

maybe he is saying that some have a stronger engine rather than better made is so he is right in that respect

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by westallc

yup the auq is an audi engine anyway, so you can point out to your mate that the vrs doesnt have a lardy mk4 engine but a far superior audi tt engine........

also point out whilst you are at it that the vrs, has the same front end setup as the leon cupra r and again not the lardy mk4 golf, so its not just got a better engine, but its got better handling/suspension too

also point out whilst you are at it that the vrs, has the same front end setup as the leon cupra r and again not the lardy mk4 golf, so its not just got a better engine, but its got better handling/suspension too

Now that IS interesting--I loved the balance of my Cupra R, in fact I loved that car to bits, even down to its unsettled rear end under hard 100mph + braking and its love of tyres and brake pads!

If the Octy has even a remotely similar balance (granted the LWB will give it a slightly better stable stance under braking and lift off conditions) I would be a happy boy!

I have searched but could not find anything about the above

Basically, my friend who is a mechanic has said that the engines in the Vrs's are not built to the same high standard that the Golf GTI's are?ie in different factories by different people/quality parameters:wonder:

He seems to have factual information on this and I wondered if there was any truth in it or reliability comparisons that anyone has come across.

Hope this is in the right place-or has not been asked before.

cheers

Better get a new friend/mechanic, he's talking nonsense. The VAG engine codes are a standard build spec. albeit in different states of tune. They are not allways made in the same VAG factory but the engine production lines are constantly being moved around the VAG empire, depending on factory space. This also happens with other components of VAG group cars. VAG's car producing industry is in a constant state of flux, much the same as any other Car making group.