also i wanted to put the car back to stock if it ever needs to go back to the dealers.

It does not go back to stock. The map is there for all to see.

It does not go back to stock. The map is there for all to see.

wrong..... all our software is read protected, when switched back to stock the car will run on stock maps. There is nothing that a dealer diagnostic tool could see

Glad you're enjoying the software Hoggy, nice to meet you

Presumably this means you were lucky and got an unprotected ECU?

all our software is still fully switchable weather your ECU is "locked" or not

RevoCarl

Your software is not un-detectable by VAS. If the dealer knows what they are doing they can tell.

@Hoggy - Glad your liking the map. As has already been said in this thread peak figures are not what it's about. It's about the driveability of the map. Smooth and progressive is the way to go (im Revo Stage 2+ btw)

As Sy said Revo maps tend to produce their power early on so you get a big shove which makes the car feel a lot quicker. For example my car on Stage 2+ was set to Boost 9 Timing 7 Fuel 6 after numerous logging and sending emails back and forwards to Revo. This produces the most amount of Bhp & lb/ft on the Dyno.

However with the car set on Boost 7 Timing 5 Fuel 9 the car pulls a hell of a lot better, there are no timing corrections on any cylinder (of which there were on the Revo recommended settings) AFR rate is pretty much bang on where it should be and fuel trim is all fine. This produces a lower peak Bhp & lb/ft figure however it produces a better curve and the power is held for longer hence making the car more driveable.

Put another way my car used to drop under 250lb/ft at about 4900rpm. Now the car doesn't drop under 250lb/ft until 5300rpm. Yet the peak figure is lower.

A few things i have learned in the past 3 years of tuning the TFSi:

- You never get the power quoted by the tuner no matter who they are or what they say. Every single car is different and you can have 2 identical cars with identical mods & map and they will still produce different figures. I have to say the most accurate tuner i have seen for quotes is Ben (Shark Performance)

- Your car will never ever be able to be set up properly on the RR. iI will be at about 90-95% but as the ECU's are load based and constantly monitoring then on road testing is the best way to get the car running as near as possible to perfect. This is were Revo have got a fantastic product. The end user has the ability (with a Laptop & VCDS) to alter Boost, Timing & Fuel themselves to tailor the car to different variables i.e outside temp, fuel quality etc

The bottom line in all of this though is that YOU are happy with what you have got & paid for and all the talk of figures etc is for Penis Extensions in the Pub.

If your after tuning the chassis then a few things i would recommend

KONI FSD if your not going to go on tracks if you are Coilovers

Front & Rear ARB's - a lot of people say the front isn't worth doing. However imho it is and i have both done on mine

Uprated Brakes - Not sure if the R32 kit fits the diesel, i can't see no reason why not and that is a good upgrade

WALK - Definately helps in corners.

Lower TT control arms (if they fit the Diesel not sure)

Anyway enjoy the new found power. Just be careful not to enjoy it too much as the Fuhrer might put a stop to your fun

Carl

wrong..... all our software is read protected, when switched back to stock the car will run on stock maps. There is nothing that a dealer diagnostic tool could see

That's total rubbish. The checksum is different and available for anyone to see, including dealers.

wrong..... all our software is read protected, when switched back to stock the car will run on stock maps. There is nothing that a dealer diagnostic tool could see

Glad you're enjoying the software Hoggy, nice to meet you

hey carl thanks for all the help.company.workmanship and product is spot on and like i said id like this not to turn into a tuner wars

Edited 19 May, 201016 yr by hoggy a

hey carl thanks for all the help.company.workmanship and product is spot on and like i said id like this not to turn into a tuner wars

Not starting a war, just prefer to state facts and not leave things to guesswork or assumption from possible misinformation.

Interesting reading this thread. I actually opted for a P-Torque remap on my PD. Tbh I think they are all much of a muchness. I may get rid of my particle filter though and get the top end free'd up sometime soon.

I may get rid of my particle filter though and get the top end free'd up sometime soon.

3500 - 4500 RPM you can be all like

At the end of the day Hoggy, are you happy with the descision you made?

Alot of tuning comes down to personal preference too..................I've had a few cars tuned at Angel Tuning and wouldn't go anywhere else

At the end of the day Hoggy, are you happy with the descision you made?

Alot of tuning comes down to personal preference too..................I've had a few cars tuned at Angel Tuning and wouldn't go anywhere else

iam very happy with the product and the service and thats not mentioning the price which i thought was spot on aswell

when it comes to a remap, you dont want a peaky curve or torque or horsepower. you want the high ouput to last as long as possible and it to be sustained across the entire rev range.

this is the reason why a 200Hp/207Ibft GTI can keep up with with a focus ST with 225Hp/240Ibft, because it sustains the high output for longer period of time.

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Oh LoL, sorry to pick you up on this

ST VS Golf GTi

0-100kmph ST=6.5 Golf 6.8

0-160Kmph ST=15.7 Golf 16.1

0-200Kmph ST=27.6 Golf 33.8

Nurburgring ST=8.35 Golf = 8.53!

The ST makes peak torque from 1600rpm. Capacity plays a huge part. The ONLY reason a golf woulf get anywhere near it is that the ST is slightly nose heavy ( although this makes it easy to oversteer )

Put an average driver in an ST and another in a Golf and make them drive around the 'ring, I'm not sure there will be much difference. Surely track driving is almost as much about technique and 'bottle' as it has to do with raw power/torque (within reason)?

Put an average driver in an ST and another in a Golf and make them drive around the 'ring, I'm not sure there will be much difference. Surely track driving is almost as much about technique and 'bottle' as it has to do with raw power/torque (within reason)?

Not the point I was making really, the poster mentioned that the golf could keep up with an ST because it (golf) had a better spread of torque. The poster is misinformed IMO.

It cant keep up and it doesnt was my point. Not about track driving or average drivers

I've spent a lot of time driving the current range of hot hatches as my role at work involves looking after the fleet of company cars and i often get offered various cars for a week at a time from fleet hire companies So i'm very aware of whats fast and what isnt.

I wouldnt say which is the better car out of the two, thats a lot less clear cut and subjective, but raw pace the Ford has it, and its down to capacity, because thats where its huge torque comes from

Anyway, its off topic and I apologise, just wanted to point out where torque comes from, Its VE and Capacity

Edited 21 May, 201016 yr by VRsMatt32

Fair enough, I'm no expert but I get the point you're making. Sorry for the confusion

I think on the whole though that people get too wound up about the subtle performance differences between cars in the same class/category.

Fair enough, I'm no expert but I get the point you're making. Sorry for the confusion

I think on the whole though that people get too wound up about the subtle performance differences between cars in the same class/category.

I agree, they are all much of a muchness on the road apart from the old Megane R26R and the new FRS which are truly Ballistic, but the usual suspects of VRS, ST, Golf GTI, Sirocco TFSi, Megane Sport etc are all very similar on the road point to point speed wise to a normal driver, just with different characteristics.I'm getting old as i LOVE the ride quality in the VRS. The difference between a VRS stage 1 and a standard one may well be 30bhp or so but on a country lane I very much doubt its more than a car length or so. Maybe a flatout blast on a straight dual carriageway shows a bigger difference but thats not fun anyway! Anyway, hugely off topic now. Sorry!

Not the point I was making really, the poster mentioned that the golf could keep up with an ST because it (golf) had a better spread of torque. The poster is misinformed IMO.

It cant keep up and it doesnt was my point. Not about track driving or average drivers

I've spent a lot of time driving the current range of hot hatches as my role at work involves looking after the fleet of company cars and i often get offered various cars for a week at a time from fleet hire companies So i'm very aware of whats fast and what isnt.

I wouldnt say which is the better car out of the two, thats a lot less clear cut and subjective, but raw pace the Ford has it, and its down to capacity, because thats where its huge torque comes from

Anyway, its off topic and I apologise, just wanted to point out where torque comes from, Its VE and Capacity

this is not also based on speculation. i have had both. and prefered the ST to drive

Edited 21 May, 201016 yr by vRSy

this is not also based on speculation. i have had both. and prefered the ST to drive

Hmm, a lot of this DOES come down to personal preference.

I've owned a GTi (MkV), Impreza (Hawkeye), Focus ST, and Oct vRS (PD and currently TFSI). The Focus has been my least favourite car. Its rapid, true enough, but has too many other shortcomings. It also suffered rather poor reliability (due to poor QA at the factory - e.g. hose clips not tightened!) and very steep depreciation. I also briefly toyed with a Mazda 3 MPS, but that had too much power for the chassis and front wheels kicking all over the place on a twisting road.

Hmm, a lot of this DOES come down to personal preference.

Timed speed data and torque spread doesnt tho, which is the point I was making to begin with before I veered wildly off topic lol!

wrong..... all our software is read protected, when switched back to stock the car will run on stock maps. There is nothing that a dealer diagnostic tool could seeGlad you're enjoying the software Hoggy, nice to meet you

Thats funny, VW told me I had one of your maps on my GTi ED30 when I was having work done under warranty. Fortunatly turned out to be a boost leak rather than the map.

Also what I would say comparing the Code Red Stage 1 map I had on my vRS TFSi Estate against the same car but hatch back with one of your maps left me feeling the figures for the Revo map were a little bit optimistic. Considering the Code Red Map semt to make the heavier estate faster than the hatchback, got the same when we swapped cars too.

As for Shark Performance, by no means the cheapest out there but I think it says a lot when Im on my third map and both my current A4 2.0TFSi and previous Passat TDi 170 ended up having the Shark treatment. Just wish id tried Shark Performance first.

First off, absolutely no expert, not with modern turbo charged engines anyway, give me a Cossie or Pug Mi 16v and I could bore your tits off!

Having said that I'm certainly not one to jump in feet first, so after some research I went for an Angel Tuning map on my Octy vRS and have to say, I've been hugely impressed, they only briefly mentioned expected figures 230-35bhp I can't actually remember the torque. Unfortuantely this is where people get to hung up, its not about the power, its more about the delivery of that power IMO. What really counts as previously mentioned is what your happy with and the vehicles performance where it counts everyday, which is not on a dyno! I'm sure if I had a go in a REVO tuned car it may feel better but then again maybe not, its down to personal choice and expectations.

If I did it all again I think I would unleash Ben (Shark_90) on my ECU, partly based on the huge recommendations from members and partly due to the 'personal touch' you recieve from a smaller tuning company. Although, I have absolutely no complaints with my current tuner.

Just my inexperienced 2 pennies worth.

Edited 21 May, 201016 yr by Pagey1255

this is not also based on speculation. i have had both. and prefered the ST to drive

Having had an ST for a couple of weeks cant deny the volvo lump in the ST is extremly torquey and sounds rather nice too, as a road car the ST IMO has the upper hand as its got more midrange grunt than a stage 1 TFSi. Still a friend of mine with a standard ST turns into a dot in the distance against my heavier car

Edit: Pagey 230-235bhp for a Stage 1 map sounds spot on to me, I dont think 250bhp can be seen with a Stage 1 map

Edited 21 May, 201016 yr by dan_the_v8man

Having had an ST for a couple of weeks cant deny the volvo lump in the ST is extremly torquey and sounds rather nice too, as a road car the ST IMO has the upper hand as its got more midrange grunt than a stage 1 TFSi. Still a friend of mine with a standard ST turns into a dot in the distance against my heavier car

As said earlier, I had an ST for just over a year and was not unhappy to sell it on, I felt it was very much a mixed offering. Power/torque are certainly not everything. A good example would be the Mazda 3 MPS that I had. A very very rapid FWD car (250+bhp) and went like a rocket in a straight line. I imagine it would also give very good times on the track. In everyday driving though, on rural roads in the area where I live, it was actually quite a difficult car to drive quickly. Lifeless steering (too much assistance and not enough feedback) and spade loads of torque steer. Not only that but you could feel the chassis twisting and hear the doors chattering in their seals on a rough road.

All in all the VAG A5 chassis with the TFSI engine (whether Golf or Octavia) is a good all-around package which is hard to beat for everyday driving.

I also currently own a 2008 530i, which is also a great car, but obviously at a much higher price-point than the VAG cars.

Hoggy a why did you go to revo hq , they have a dealer in darlington, I was considering the free trial version from there

Hoggy a why did you go to revo hq , they have a dealer in darlington, I was considering the free trial version from there

1st only headoffice can re-map these at present and i dont think you can get the free trial with this cause of the ecu,also i wanted to go down and see what the headoffice was about as i got a very good discount