very nice, are they not a bit frail though??

Great motors, as above if they have decent history then they will only suffer from age/mileage related problems like any other car, ie clutch, turbo's etc.

Really good to drive and surprisingly practical. £10k would see one good enough for daily use with decent mileage and dealer history.

MUCH underated

totally agree, would just be a weekend weapon and so i can "tinker" about with it in the garage lol

Great motors, as above if they have decent history then they will only suffer from age/mileage related problems like any other car, ie clutch, turbo's etc.

Really good to drive and surprisingly practical. £10k would see one good enough for daily use with decent mileage and dealer history.

MUCH underated

im budgeting 5-7k for a car, with another 2k max for tweaks to make it more appropriate for heavy track work

im thinking

meganne 225/R26

clio 172/182/197 cup

mini cooper S

focus RS

vx220

vx220 turbo

e36/e46 M3

suburu STI

EVO

RX7? I know its more fun drifting it, but could be a good track rocket IF set up properly. I'm not really a big fan of Jap cars, but i've always had a weakness for an RX7 :love:

Edited 1 August, 201015 yr by vRS Dovit

RX7? not a big fan of Jap cars, but i've always had a weakness for an RX7 :love:

potential money pit though, other than that they look the mutts nuts. i almost bought a mitshubishi 3000GT twin turbo a few years back. engine blew on the test drive lol

im after ultimate handling though and not maximum power, and it needs to be driven to and from tracks, so semi usable on the road

Edited 1 August, 201015 yr by vRSy

Yeah i know BUT what a toy!

My mate bought a gto. Couldn't drive it right though i gave it a wee blast and he promptly sold it as he thought it was STUPID quick lol

im budgeting 5-7k for a car, with another 2k max for tweaks to make it more appropriate for heavy track work

im thinking

meganne 225/R26

clio 172/182/197 cup

mini cooper S

focus RS

vx220

vx220 turbo

e36/e46 M3

suburu STI

EVO

Out of that list for a track car, the ONLY choice is a 172/182 ( trophy if you can ) or a cup.

Cheap to buy, cheap to run, cheap to track and blistering on track days with little more than a decent set of tyres, seriously thats head and shoulders above off that list if you're serious about track days.

and potentially easy to mod and stupidly good fun :rofl:

Out of that list for a track car, the ONLY choice is a 172/182 ( trophy if you can ) or a cup.

Cheap to buy, cheap to run, cheap to track and blistering on track days with little more than a decent set of tyres, seriously thats head and shoulders above off that list if you're serious about track days.

Im to used to the torque of turbo cars though, the trophy cars would be ace, but are rare and hold they're money. Id be more tempted with the newer 197 clio, as thre is that power hike with the same excellent chassis dynamics

what got me interested in the VX220 was after watching shootouts of it against the 111R elise. on track it was only slower by a few hundreths of a second, which considering the elises chassis is considered to be the finest available in all road cars is impressive.

Ive also got this RWD itch that needs scratching. however there is also a 4WD itch in there as well

ive had loads of FWD hot hatches now.

I wouldnt have a vx220 straight away if you've never had a rwd car before and you're clearly into going along with a bit of pace, they can be tricky for rwd noobs

Maybe get an interim rwd to get used to it first, maybe an e36 325 or something not too expensive if you bend it?

I've not had a vx220 but my wife had an elise a few years back and i found it a bit of a handful on damp roads to begin with, had it facing the wrong way quite a few times in the simplest of everyday situations, i cant imagine a boosted version being any easier regardless of how the boost comes in

i would Save the fuel and the embarrassment .

No embarrasment for me tho.... well lol

If the scoob was an N/A.. i would be worried lol

The 225.. was defo slow on the roll as i kept backing off, unless he didnt know how to drive hehe or she

Mine were not standing starts.. we were already rolling

keep in mind they oculd have been fully laidened with people.. or mine could already have remap.. (but dont think it has.. as mines slow i feel)

Edited 2 August, 201015 yr by Mr Mul

lad i worked with had a vx and he loved it.. it was an N/A .. aparently alot better then the elise

Wouldnt the RA scoob be more track orientated with the current box setup?

Then add sti intercooler or / F-Mount? they seem to be cheap as chips at the mo.. unless all i see are fake ra's ehehe. i would love one my self.. but i cant

I wouldnt have a vx220 straight away if you've never had a rwd car before and you're clearly into going along with a bit of pace, they can be tricky for rwd noobs

Maybe get an interim rwd to get used to it first, maybe an e36 325 or something not too expensive if you bend it?

I've not had a vx220 but my wife had an elise a few years back and i found it a bit of a handful on damp roads to begin with, had it facing the wrong way quite a few times in the simplest of everyday situations, i cant imagine a boosted version being any easier regardless of how the boost comes in

thats whats held me back for years from buying a RWD. im pretty confident with throwing a FWD hatch around on the limit, over steer is easy to catch and induce if need be.

if i was to get a VX220 id 100% be spending a a few hundred plus on proper tuition on the handling front. whats the point in buying the car if you cant drive it properly.

then a few airfield days where all i can hit are cones, then once im happy ill be back on the tracks

Big open area with nothing to hit spin it as many times as you can and then start backing off until you find the grip/talent limit steep learning curve but loadsa fun doing it lol lol lol

borrow mc'ds / bnq / tesco's car parks.. thats what they used to do around worksop lol.. or the roundabouts up the bypass hehe

225bhp, 1317kg Focus ST

vs

200bhp, 1435kg Octy II 2.0 TFSI vRS

Yes obviously

I think it's more that somebody can't drive that well.

Edited 2 August, 201015 yr by cheezemonkhai

225bhp, 1317kg Focus ST

vs

200bhp, 1435kg Octy II 2.0 TFSI vRS

Yes obviously

I think it's more that somebody can't drive that well.

Careful, soon both cars will be remapped and have nitrous oxide injection on them, racing for slips

Steve

Lol, its not me who's set up a website/thread with my drag times on it is it now.

I just pointed out, correctly that those times are really not setting the world on fire for the spend. I didnt say i'd rather drive round in a corsa/nova, but merely that if those cars have circa 400bhp plus as was suggested, they are **** slow!

PS, i'm not disputing the tuneability of the TFSI but out of your list you forgot an intercooler ;-)

Also to the £1600 plus intercooler, you need to add about ten grand of second hand car

The Nova was built for £500 all in, and its much much better for boasting about strip times

I think the point Sy is trying to make is that for a new, comfortable, stylish, FWD family car that (in my case) has had less than 1k spent on it (Stage 2), a 13.1 1/4 mile time isn't **** slow mate. Anyone that thinks it is wants their head checking. We're taking RS4, E92 pace (or is that slow as well?) in a family hatch for little effort or mods. Sure there's faster cars on the road, there always will be, that's not the point.

Yeah anybody can get a biscuit tin and strap a rocket to it and be quicker, but that's not really comparable is it? Regarding Novas, find me a STANDARD Nova that runs low 13's @ Pod that has had less than £1k spent on it (including engine transplant) and would you want to travel 3000 miles a month in it afterwards like I do?

We're talking about usable, modern, hatch backs here that can give Porsche owners a headache. Not sheds with engines that will get them up the 1/4 mile 3 times before letting go.

Show me a current hot hatch with similar mods that go quicker than a fettled KO4 TFSI..???

Edited 2 August, 201015 yr by Vtec Abuser

3K a month!!!!! bloody hell! What do you do? (sorry, slightly O.T. )

Use the car for work mate.. Toying with the idea of chopping it in for a Nova though after reading this thread..

Edited 2 August, 201015 yr by Vtec Abuser

I think the point Sy is trying to make is that for a new, comfortable, stylish, FWD family car that (in my case) has had less than 1k spent on it (Stage 2), a 13.1 1/4 mile time isn't **** slow mate. Anyone that thinks it is wants there head checking. We're taking RS4, E92 pace (or is that slow as well?) in a family hatch for little effort or mods. Sure there's faster cars on the road, there always will be, that's not the point.

Yeah anybody can get a biscuit tin and strap a rocket to it and be quicker, but that's not really comparable is it? Regarding Novas, find me a STANDARD Nova that runs low 13's @ Pod that has had less than £1k spent on it (including engine transplant) and would you want to travel 3000 miles a month in it afterwards like I do?

We're talking about usable, modern, hatch backs here that can give Porsche owners a headache. Not sheds with engines that will get them up the 1/4 mile 3 times before letting go.

Show me a current hot hatch with similar mods that go quicker than a fettled KO4 TFSI..???

Completely agree with this.

There's not much on the road that can tackle a mapped K04 TFSI.

All the performance in a comfortable, modern car.

Use the car for work mate.. Toying with the idea of chopping it in for a Nova though after reading this thread..

dont forget the corsa mate. you it the nail on the head with what i was trying to get at. Ive been fortnate oto have driven alot of very fast cars as well as having a few myself. none strike the balance so well as a k04 TFSI. S3 is the top VAG for me though. that adds the all weather drivability.

I think the point Sy is trying to make is that for a new, comfortable, stylish, FWD family car that (in my case) has had less than 1k spent on it (Stage 2), a 13.1 1/4 mile time isn't **** slow mate. Anyone that thinks it is wants their head checking. We're taking RS4, E92 pace (or is that slow as well?) in a family hatch for little effort or mods. Sure there's faster cars on the road, there always will be, that's not the point.

Yeah anybody can get a biscuit tin and strap a rocket to it and be quicker, but that's not really comparable is it? Regarding Novas, find me a STANDARD Nova that runs low 13's @ Pod that has had less than £1k spent on it (including engine transplant) and would you want to travel 3000 miles a month in it afterwards like I do?

We're talking about usable, modern, hatch backs here that can give Porsche owners a headache. Not sheds with engines that will get them up the 1/4 mile 3 times before letting go.

Show me a current hot hatch with similar mods that go quicker than a fettled KO4 TFSI..???

If you can read and set aside your VAG fanboy blind rage, i never mentioned the corsa/nova being a better daily driver. I merely said those times are not blindingly quick for the outlay of money, and they arent. You could get into the tens in a fwd for that money. I was merely commenting on the list of times on the page, nothing more, nothing less

Theres plenty of cars available for similar money to a mapped tfsi with a K04 that would be at least as good. Get over yourself, its a very good engine, almost always mounted in a fairly lardly, slightly above average chassis.

Your K04 car wouldnt touch a standard r26r on a decent road so dont go thinking you'll be worrying porsches in anything other than a straight line in the bone dry once rolling because you wont my friend.

Your K04 car wouldnt touch a standard r26r on a decent road so dont go thinking you'll be worrying porsches in anything other than a straight line in the bone dry once rolling because you wont my friend.

well in a straight line the R26R is only just quicker than the focus RS up until 120mph where the RS power advantage takes over. now my octavia at stage 2+ which was only about 270-280Hp/300Ibft could keep up with a focus RS once rolling provided there were no corners . now considering the stage 2+ K04 absolutely annihilates my k03 TFSI, id actually say you categorically wrong. but i do agree the R26R would win in the bends, however it is a 2 seater with a roll cage, and semi slick tyres so not a comparison. a comparison would be the focus RS, of which even when fully mapped out with similar mods it still loses out. definately the better drivers car though

heres a comparison with timings taken from evo magazine on the new impreza cosworth, focus RS500 and the REVO leon cupra stage 2+ as a guide to the power of the three cars which to be fair are a good comparison, although the revo leon is drastically cheaper.

impreza iirc is about 400Hp, the focus RS is 350hp, the leon is 360Hp but doesnt even have a LSD.

speeds     Impreza cosworth/focus RS/Revo K1 (Stock intake, worn toyo t1r tyres)

0-30      1.8/2.5/2.8

0-40      2.6/3.6/3.7

0-50      3.5/4.5/4.7

0-60      4.6/5.6/5.7

0-80      7.0/7.5/8.7

0-100  10.7/12.7/12.5

in gear 3rd

20-40    4.0/3.1/2.7

30-50    2.7/2.3/2.0

40-60    2.1/2.2/2.0

50-70    2.1/2.4/2.1

in 4th gear

20-40    6.9/5.0/4.6

30-50   5.5/3.7/3.1

40-60   3.9/2.9/2.5

50-70    2.8/2.9/2.6

70-90    2.9/3.3/2.9

in 5th gear

40-60    7.4/4.5/3.9

50-70    5.3/3.8/3.4

60-80    3.9/3.8/3.5

80-100  4.1/4.6/3.7

in 6th

40-60      14.5/7.7

50-70        5.3/3.8

60-80      11.0/5.1

70-90       8.1/5.1

80-100     5.9/5.6

100-120   6.5/7.4

stnding 1/4 mile

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impreza cosworth  [email protected]

these are all timings from evo magazine using the performance box as measuring tool

you can see from a balls out standing start there is no substitue for 4wd grp, and the suburu is not suffering from lag, but check ou the differences in the in gear times. thhis shows the drivability of the k04 TFSI in comparison. the exact reason why i dont like big turbo cars

Edited 2 August, 201015 yr by vRSy