To save putting miles on my Furby ive been using a colleagues Golf Gti Tdi thing. And it doesnt feel as fast as the vRS, im not sure if it just feels slower (it doesnt seem to have the urgency the vRS does), or if it is actually slower.

Ive had a quick scan thru the forum and ive read bits about people getting the vRS chipped as they are sick of being beaten by the Golf PD 150's.

Can anyone tell me which should/is be the faster car, i would have thought the Golf would be after driving it im not so sure

Also the Golf does alot better mpg than the furby. At 80mph my MPG reads about 45mpg, whereas 80mph in the Golf is around 52mpg! :eek:

Is it a 150 bhp TDi?

Golf GTi TDi is either a 110 bhp non PD oil burner or a 130 bhp TD. (might be some 115 bhp PD's)

If its a 150 bhp its a ltd edition Anniversary (18" wheels, bodykit etc).

Also, does it have a 5-speed gearbox, or a 6-speed - if it's the 5 speed, would probably make it seem less "urgent"...

Rob.

TBH i have no idea. The owner said its got 150bhp. Its not a limited edition i dont think. Its a 52 plate, has a normal GTi badge on the back and blue dashboard lights.

6 speed box

there are 150's we have also got bora's which are 150's. The GTTDI was either 130 or 150 IIRc

it feels less urgent coz its more refined than the furby..

but the gearbox on teh golfs is lower ratio.. so a 150 can probably pull away from a furby

there are 150's we have also got bora's which are 150's. The GTTDI was either 130 or 150 IIRc

That's my understanding of this too. I was testdriving the fabia vrs at the weekend before I paid the man - he was talking in the car about the golf gttdi 150bhp, which someone else had told me about too.

But not a remapped one.

But not a remapped one.

Its all relative.... if he was mapped too, you wouldnt stand a chance

plus equivalent golf TDi engines produce more power when remapped due to a less restrictive zorst and a airbox twice the size of the Fabias..

On a different point. Do you ever get the feeling that 1 year from now a lot of people with have a Skoda Fabia vRS?

On a different point. Do you ever get the feeling that 1 year from now a lot of people with have a Skoda Fabia vRS?

Possibly...

case in question... pulled into carpark today, one of our respected salesmen in smokin shelter... says to me "how do you insure that thing"... "easily its only

Its all relative.... if he was mapped too' date=' you wouldnt stand a chance

plus equivalent golf TDi engines produce more power when remapped due to a less restrictive zorst and a airbox twice the size of the Fabias..[/quote']

Neo not strictly true my friend. The golf is a heavy weight and thus the clutch is more likely to slip, well according to Jabba, AMD etc so they don't generally bump the power up to much. The cars generally end up with the same BHP when chipped.

Re the power thing, a Golf 150 is capable of producing more power than the Furbie (as already pointed out) due to its less restricted exhaust, better breathing and its intercooler. It also runs a different turbo. Octy PD 130 is also capable of more power than the Furbie due to its less restricted exhaust and better breathing.

As for Golf being heavier, ahem, that is really marginal, IIRC they are about the same weight.

As for economy - Cheryl has a Golf 130. Driving that on a motorway I get less mpg than when I drive my "friend's" remapped Octy 130 (both driven the same way on the same journey).

As for Golf being heavier' date=' ahem, that is really marginal, IIRC they are about the same weight.

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It's around 40kg heavier and uses the same clutch as the PD 130 IIRC.

Re the power thing' date=' a Golf 150 is capable of producing more power than the Furbie (as already pointed out) due to its less restricted exhaust, better breathing and its intercooler. It also runs a different turbo. Octy PD 130 is also capable of more power than the Furbie due to its less restricted exhaust and better breathing.

As for Golf being heavier, ahem, that is really marginal, IIRC they are about the same weight.

As for economy - Cheryl has a Golf 130. Driving that on a motorway I get less mpg than when I drive my "friend's" remapped Octy 130 (both driven the same way on the same journey).[/quote']

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the reason for the difference in economy..(remap excepted) and top end performance is due to aerodynamics.. the octy is a better shape for going fast than the Furby/Golf/Leon which suffers from alot of drag due to the rakish back end) this is why a octy vrs is faster than the leon cupra,

and why any furby is gonna loose out to a octy @ 100+ unless it has a disproportionate amount of power.

any furby is gonna loose out to a octy 1.4 16V @ 100+ unless it has a disproportionate amount of power.

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:iagree:

:shhh:

So my Octy 110 Non PD with a tuning box (approx 135bhp) should be quicker top end than an equivalently powered furby vRS?? :eek: Bring it on

What about PD Versus Non PD? I know its not possible, but if a 100bhp PD raced a 100bhp Non PD TDI, what would the outcome be??

I was told by a VW salesman once that the PD is more free revving. I nodded and agreed , what the hell was he talking about?, what does this equate to in real driving terms??

JD

Do you ever get the feeling that 1 year from now a lot of people with have a Skoda Fabia vRS?

I had that feeling a while ago as there were literally none on the road when I picked mine up :P . (although I saw one on a test drive 10 mins afterleaving my dealer).

So my Octy 110 Non PD with a tuning box (approx 135bhp) should be quicker top end than an equivalently powered furby vRS?? :eek: Bring it on

What about PD Versus Non PD? I know its not possible' date=' but if a 100bhp PD raced a 100bhp Non PD TDI, what would the outcome be??

I was told by a VW salesman once that the PD is more free revving. I nodded and agreed , what the hell was he talking about?, what does this equate to in real driving terms??

JD[/quote']

No.

The PD engine use unit injectors (or diesel pump/pump duse (PD)) and the non-pd uses common rail. The PD injectors can inject a finer spray of diesel at a higher pressure allowing for a more powerful combustion, giving the car condiderably more torque than the equivelant power common rail engine giving the car more shove. Coupled to a same ration gearbox, the two engines in the same car would give different results for that reason.

It is the injectors rate of work and the design of the engine that makes it so free revving, the best way to find out would be to test for yourself to find out.

I don't know if its just me but the Golf 150 GTTDi has a different engine than the Fab vRS, however the Fab vRS when put on rolling road had more often than not come out at between 145-150 BHP... isnt that interesting! Maybe its tuned or something?

Either way the stats published are seem to fall somewhat short of the Fab vRS's real life stats!!

Hmmmmm... :confused:

PD130 and PD150 are very similar. Both use a VNT17 turbo but the one used in the PD150 is bigger and can handle more boost. A PD150/160 also has a FMIC. The basic engine blocks are very similar.

If a PD130 produces 145-150bhp on a RR you'll also find on the same RR on the same day a PD150 will make around 160+bhp.

Either way the stats published are seem to fall somewhat short of the Fab vRS's real life stats!!

Suspect you'll find this is the same for pretty much every VAG engine. As to why they do it...could be that quoting the power output as a "minimum peak engine output" figure means they stand less chance of being sued if someone finds their car operates at less than the advertised output.

Could be to help people get cheaper insurance.

Could be because their rolling road is less generous than other rolling roads.

Rob.

So my Octy 110 Non PD with a tuning box (approx 135bhp) should be quicker top end than an equivalently powered furby vRS?? :eek: Bring it on

Well a 130bhp Octavia is 3mph faster than a 130bhp Fabia so yes a 135bhp Octavia will have a higher maximum speed than a 130bhp vRS.

What does muddy the waters a bit is the varying outputs that VAG diesels develop when standard.

What about PD Versus Non PD? I know its not possible, but if a 100bhp PD raced a 100bhp Non PD TDI, what would the outcome be??

The PD version should have better acceleration due to the increased torque and flatter curve.

I was told by a VW salesman once that the PD is more free revving. I nodded and agreed , what the hell was he talking about?, what does this equate to in real driving terms??

JD

Well I haven't noticed that much difference between our two when standard and the 110TDi with tuning box is a lot more free reving than the PD100.

The standard TDi has a more linear power delivery and doesn't produce that surge of torque that the PD has but the power doesn't drop off as quickly in the TDi.

The real difference I find between the TDi110 and PD100 is refinement. The PD100 engine is a lot smoother.

Cheers

Lee