Would hybridin my current turbo be much more than the 500 he is looking?? And then would it not be as good as a pd150??

Yes. AET will do an 'upgrade' hybrid unit on exchange for £590 +VAT. Non-exchange price from them is £1020 +VAT.

Turbo Dynamics for a new hybrid unit are £895 +VAT.

Bear in mind that your existing unit will have to be inspected and shown to be usable, for the exchange system to work.

Also, bear in mind if you're thinking of going for a hybrid unit - you're going to need an FMIC and an uprated clutch as well on the Fabia, for it be worthwhile. It's not something you fit and then leave everything else standard...

Sorry, don't know what else you have on the car but thought I'd just make the point.

Steve

Yes unfortunately the standard kkk turbo can be quite poor, with some on standard cars only lasting 30k it's mainly caused by vnt sticking and causing an overboost

Note to self: Don't prevaricate any longer, go and buy a boost gauge or similar!

Clutch-£900

fmic (forge) £600

hybrid-between 850-1200£

fitting-£££?

Map-£300

very pricey to run anything over a map reliably. And assuming the car is you daily driver that's what you want.

Mattchelski the thing is you will then have to have a new remap to suit the pd150 turbo. This has not been explained to the lad asking the questions. What if he just stuck a hybrid turbo onto his car and wondered why his car ran like ****. Then has to pay another £400 odd to have it mapped,

Your costs above are more or less in the right ball park. Mapping needn't be £300-400, but we're quibbling over a hundred quid hear and there, when the total cost is into the thousands!

Hence my suggestion of going with the newly worked on std PD150 turbo, available at the moment in the For Sale section....

People have run 150's on even standard mapping ok. To get the best of it yeah, get the map tweaked, but that's not going to cost mega bucks.

If it were me I'd rather get a 150 and just do that at some point. Either turbo will be about the same to buy, and it'll last longer. No brainer really

Matt

Edited 18 February, 201115 yr by matt1chelski

I am running a PD150 on the remap for the old KKK unit. Been on there for 30k miles now and goes bloody well. Ideally yes to get the most from the turbo you should have it mapped again (which I am now considering) but at the time I just wanted something I knew would be a stronger unit, without having to go hybrid. I have spoken to several well regarded tuners regarding damage to the turbo, and all said that it won't cause any harm running it like it is.

Yep, a std spec PD150 will 'OK' on the std map. The only issue is slightly more lag when it comes on boost, as it uses a bigger compressor wheel.

would be around the same...

why not buy the pd150 then sell yours for £200?

then its only an outlay of £300...

tbh you need to phone CR turbo's / turbo teknics etc and get a price... no good asking us

Who would pay 200 for a blown turbo lol?? Get what your saying but, ill start phoning turbo companys when I know for sure its only the turbo:D

Don't worry mate no one has had luck like mine.

Had the car mapped and it blew up on the test drive. Gave the garage a week to fix it, left the map on. Blew the new turbo again on the test drive. I now have a pd150 turbo but running a standard map.

You will need a custom map if running the pd150 turbo as they internally spool up slower than the pd130 and in generally run differently. My car is very different with the pd150 turbo.

Also when getting a bigger turbo consider what else you need. Bigger turbo generally needs a bigger intercooler. But the main killer is running over 300ftt you need an uprated Clutch which will cost about £800 minimum.

People seem to miss these details out when reccomending all these massive power upgrades!

That is unlucky:( But dont have the money, even if I did dont think I could justify spending 2-3k on it tbh..

Oh and turboactive still do exchange

Even on a blown turbo?? Or would I have to buy another working one to exchange it??

About £3k including a Hybrid PD150 assuming you get the brakes uprated to 312mms at the same time. All of it can be done a lot cheaper if you can find the bits second hand.

If you can afford it then its money well spent as the car is completely transformed when done yet looks completely stock (bar a line of silver where the top of the SS FMIC is visible through the front grill). Doesn't stop me wanting (much) more power when funds allow.

No funds for that sort of work atm!

Yes. AET will do an 'upgrade' hybrid unit on exchange for £590 +VAT. Non-exchange price from them is £1020 +VAT.

Turbo Dynamics for a new hybrid unit are £895 +VAT.

Bear in mind that your existing unit will have to be inspected and shown to be usable, for the exchange system to work.

Think you have answered my question, that my blown turbo obviously wont qualify for the exchange??

£895+vat doesnt sounds too bad??

Also, bear in mind if you're thinking of going for a hybrid unit - you're going to need an FMIC and an uprated clutch as well on the Fabia, for it be worthwhile. It's not something you fit and then leave everything else standard...

Sorry, don't know what else you have on the car but thought I'd just make the point.

Steve

I understand to get full potential out of a hybrid it would need the other mods, but I would be happy running 180bhp with just a hybrid and map to suit, and have the extra reassurance it shouldn't blow. Could also be sold on separate when selling the car!

Clutch-£900

fmic (forge) £600

hybrid-between 850-1200£

fitting-£££?

Map-£300

very pricey to run anything over a map reliably. And assuming the car is you daily driver that's what you want.

Mattchelski the thing is you will then have to have a new remap to suit the pd150 turbo. This has not been explained to the lad asking the questions. What if he just stuck a hybrid turbo onto his car and wondered why his car ran like ****. Then has to pay another £400 odd to have it mapped,

I have a 30day money back guarenntee, so could take it back and get my money back for first map, or else considering the circumstances im sure they will just change the map.

Your costs above are more or less in the right ball park. Mapping needn't be £300-400, but we're quibbling over a hundred quid hear and there, when the total cost is into the thousands!

Hence my suggestion of going with the newly worked on std PD150 turbo, available at the moment in the For Sale section....

For the sake of 400(as I might be able to get the vat off) would I not be better buying a new hybrid turbo, which should never need replacing (well not while I own the car)?

People have run 150's on even standard mapping ok. To get the best of it yeah, get the map tweaked, but that's not going to cost mega bucks.

If it were me I'd rather get a 150 and just do that at some point. Either turbo will be about the same to buy, and it'll last longer. No brainer really

Matt

Yea Im not buying another 130, unless I find one really cheap..

Thanks for all the input guys:D

Think you have answered my question, that my blown turbo obviously wont qualify for the exchange??

£895+vat doesnt sounds too bad??

I understand to get full potential out of a hybrid it would need the other mods, but I would be happy running 180bhp with just a hybrid and map to suit, and have the extra reassurance it shouldn't blow. Could also be sold on separate when selling the car!

On the exchange issue you would need to send it to them for examination really. Depends exactly what's broken. Also, be aware that a fair few companies don't take the KKK units from the vRS. Quite a lot just deal with Garrett stuff. So you'd need to check. I have heard of a few places doing KKK hybrid units though, so it's not unheard of.

I hear exactly what you're saying on the extra reliability. Running 180bhp wouldn't require a hybrid though. Just a stock PD150 turbo and suitable mapping. And yes, that would be more reliable and running less boost to provide that power than the std KKK turbo fitted to the vRS. So the turbo would be under less stress and strain.

The hybrid terms comes from taking a stock turbo and uprating some of the standard internals parts - generally the compressor wheel, thrust bearing and perhaps shaft, plus uprated seals.

Steve

Edited 18 February, 201115 yr by Wardy

As your has gone I would just get the pd150. Turbo active sell these for £414 delivered to your door. Take your car back and get it mapped to suit the pd150 turbo. As said you can use the map you have but won't run as well.

Turbo active: 08449808780

On the exchange issue you would need to send it to them for examination really. Depends exactly what's broken. Also, be aware that a fair few companies don't take the KKK units from the vRS. Quite a lot just deal with Garrett stuff. So you'd need to check. I have heard of a few places doing KKK hybrid units though, so it's not unheard of.

I hear exactly what you're saying on the extra reliability. Running 180bhp wouldn't require a hybrid though. Just a stock PD150 turbo and suitable mapping. And yes, that would be more reliable and running less boost to provide that power than the std KKK turbo fitted to the vRS. So the turbo would be under less stress and strain.

The hybrid terms comes from taking a stock turbo and uprating some of the standard internals parts - generally the compressor wheel, thrust bearing and perhaps shaft, plus uprated seals.

Steve

Seems pd150 is the way to go then.. Thanks:D

As your has gone I would just get the pd150. Turbo active sell these for £414 delivered to your door. Take your car back and get it mapped to suit the pd150 turbo. As said you can use the map you have but won't run as well.

Turbo active: 08449808780

What condition are they in, second hand or are they rebuilt?? Or is their any warranty?? As i cant understand how they can charge the same for a second hand "fresh" turbo, and a "knackered" one lol?? Although that seems a keen price as theirs one on here for 500 although its just been rebuilt..

Thanks

Sourced a brand new PD150 garrett turbo today, £550 which is quite a good price I think?

Also my mechanic phoned to say that all the signs say the engine is fine, although wont know for sure until the turbos in. So quite a good day so far:D (Never thought I would be happy at the thought of having to shell out £550 on a turbo lol)

Thanks for all the help guys, one last question, what can i map the car to safely with this turbo, without needing to uprgade the clutch or get a FMIC??

Also should i try get a pd160 intake before getting it mapped again??

Edited 19 February, 201115 yr by steve-yfzracer

Sourced a brand new PD150 garrett turbo today, £550 which is quite a good price I think?

Also my mechanic phoned to say that all the signs say the engine is fine, although wont know for sure until the turbos in. So quite a good day so far:D (Never thought I would be happy at the thought of having to shell out £550 on a turbo lol)

Thanks for all the help guys, one last question, what can i map the car to safely with this turbo, without needing to uprgade the clutch or get a FMIC??

Also should i try get a pd160 intake before getting it mapped again??

170-180 BHP or the clutch will go quickly, as will the DMF

PD 160 intake, waste of time and money, does nothing.

BTW That Turbo price is excellent. Strong unit as well, it will shove out the power stated for a long time.

Good price that, I paid £650 for mine, and only got it that cheap as they made a balls up with the order, should have been £800. Put the turbo on and see how it runs, mine is still running on the remap I had before it blew up, so no 'need' to go straight out and get the map tweaked just yet. You could do it in a couple of months or something to spread the cost!

where did u get that turbo from at that price mate?

170-180 BHP or the clutch will go quickly, as will the DMF

PD 160 intake, waste of time and money, does nothing.

BTW That Turbo price is excellent. Strong unit as well, it will shove out the power stated for a long time.

180 it is then:D And good, cant afford to shell out £90 on a piece of plastic lol..

Good price that, I paid £650 for mine, and only got it that cheap as they made a balls up with the order, should have been £800. Put the turbo on and see how it runs, mine is still running on the remap I had before it blew up, so no 'need' to go straight out and get the map tweaked just yet. You could do it in a couple of months or something to spread the cost!

They have agreed to tweek the map, as they offer a 30day money back guarentte, so its either tweek the map or give me my money back lol..

where did u get that turbo from at that price mate?

Mate its just a one off price, rang around a few places today and one happened to have this which they got cheap from another company who bought it but the customer didn't take it in the end.

It seems alot of peoples turbos are going this month?? :(

Anyway just thought I would through up a picture of mine, hopefully by saturday it will be fitted and ill know for sure my engine is okay:)

Just wondering will the turbo need run in, and how long should I go easy on it?? As I cant wait to see how it pulls tbh lol..

Will their be any difference performance wise over this and my standard turbo before remaping the car??

Obviously it should be run-in with a fresh oil change. Usual advice is try to run off-boost for the first 250 miles. I got this again from Turbo Technics who have supplied my latest one.

Have you also now got information about exactly how your old one failed? You want to be very, very careful that bits of the old turbo are not floating about the intercooler and associated boost pipework.

Steve

Both turbo places i spoke too & unit 18 said just drive it normally, its a bearing, no need to pussy about with it. Much more important, use decent oil and change it as often as possible.

Matt

I'll continue to go on the advice I was given, but others are obviously free to do as they wish

Didnt mean to sound like i was slating your advice

Same with engines, everyone seems to have a different way of running them in, as the recent topics about tsi oil use shows!

Matt

Oh and your old turbo served me well for a further 25,000 miles before it went into retirement.

No worries at all. Just shows up that differing advice does get given

Glad you got some pretty reasonable use out of it

I was told just to use the turbo as normal, no running in required as such. As Matt said its a bearing. No harm in treating her gently for a few hundred miles anyway for peace of mind. Anything major done to my car and I will always take it easy for a couple of days.

Obviously it should be run-in with a fresh oil change. Usual advice is try to run off-boost for the first 250 miles. I got this again from Turbo Technics who have supplied my latest one.

Have you also now got information about exactly how your old one failed? You want to be very, very careful that bits of the old turbo are not floating about the intercooler and associated boost pipework.

Steve

Yea its got new oil and filter, my mechanic said it had to be done aswell as clean the whole system out, but hes been a mechanic for long enough so should know the drill.. So hopefully everything has been cleared out:D But not sure how the old one failed yet.

Thanks for that advice:D

Both turbo places i spoke too & unit 18 said just drive it normally, its a bearing, no need to pussy about with it. Much more important, use decent oil and change it as often as possible.

Matt

Different view, tbh itl be hard not to give it a bit of power, but gonna try run it in for as long as possible..

Thanks..

I was told just to use the turbo as normal, no running in required as such. As Matt said its a bearing. No harm in treating her gently for a few hundred miles anyway for peace of mind. Anything major done to my car and I will always take it easy for a couple of days.

Thanks, cant wait to get the car back now:D