Remaps are fine. The Fabia is designed for multiple markets, fuel quality is unknown, ambient temperatures unknown, etc. Getting your generic stage 1 map in the UK just means that these unknowns are removed and replaced with parameters suitable for this country (i.e. we don't have ambient temps of 40+ degrees, our diesel is good, etc).

I had my Leon for about 40k miles before I had a generic remap put on it, and I could tell the difference pretty much before I'd even got off P-Torque's industrial estate. It might not be massively faster, but it was far more pleasant to drive, more willing, and the power lasted longer so it was more fun.

Edited 2 September, 201114 yr by gavinchappell

I personally wouldn't ever get a remap. Why spend hard earned money getting a remap from some company, which lets face it any idiot could setup without any knowledge of different vehicle systems, when every car manufacturer spends millions of pounds developing and testing vehicles to ensure that they perform their best? Competing manufacturers want their cars to have the quickest acceleration, the highest top speed and the best fuel economy figures, whilst maximising component life and minimising overall cost of ownership. Why would anyone want to jeopardise that or even take the risk?

Because manufacturers build cars to have a wide tolerance of extremes of environment, poor quality fuel, servicing etc.

In this country we have a decent supply of fuel, and so you're just taking advantage of built in margins which are mostly unecessary in the UK.

There are many people on here who have run extremely modified cars for many thousands of miles. Providing the car is looked after properly it will not be a problem.

I personally wouldn't ever get a remap. Why spend hard earned money getting a remap from some company, which lets face it any idiot could setup without any knowledge of different vehicle systems, when every car manufacturer spends millions of pounds developing and testing vehicles to ensure that they perform their best? Competing manufacturers want their cars to have the quickest acceleration, the highest top speed and the best fuel economy figures, whilst maximising component life and minimising overall cost of ownership. Why would anyone want to jeopardise that or even take the risk?

Because car companies do not set the cars up for the best performance and fuel economy.

They are set up to get the best result possible under a staged set of conditions. Like the emission test.

And there is also model specific isues. Like reducing the power of the model A to make sure it's slower than the model B, which costs more. Cars are not the best they can be, they fit into a structure. Otherwise Skoda could choose to make a car more powerful (for example) than an Audi. But they don't. The mkII VRS has an offical 0-62mph slower than the VW and Audi with the same engine and gearbox. Is it slower? No. But Audi and VW don't want Skoda making a cheaper and faster car in the same section of the market.

I personally wouldn't ever get a remap. Why spend hard earned money getting a remap from some company, which lets face it any idiot could setup without any knowledge of different vehicle systems, when every car manufacturer spends millions of pounds developing and testing vehicles to ensure that they perform their best? Competing manufacturers want their cars to have the quickest acceleration, the highest top speed and the best fuel economy figures, whilst maximising component life and minimising overall cost of ownership. Why would anyone want to jeopardise that or even take the risk? It wouldn't surprise me if they made no tweaks at all and it just had a placebo effect, get some go faster stripes while you're at it - they will probably add another 20hp*!

* Actual horsepower increase not guaranteed. I wonder why.

You haven't a clue have you? Anyone with some common sense goes to a reputable honest tuner. As for the placebo effect, Id say a good 50% of owners on here have a remap so I really doubt it'd be so popular if it didn't do anything. That's before we include the rr figures, 0-60 times etc etc. Anyone who has looked into it knows a sensible conservative map will yield 30-40bhp and still retain reliability. If your not interested in remapping your own car that's fine, but don't talk rubbish if you clearly have no idea

Matt

Remaps are fine. The Fabia is designed for multiple markets, fuel quality is unknown, ambient temperatures unknown, etc. Getting your generic stage 1 map in the UK just means that these unknowns are removed and replaced with parameters suitable for this country (i.e. we don't have ambient temps of 40+ degrees, our diesel is good, etc).

Modern cars aren't just programmed, they learn new values and automatically adjust/tune themselves according to air temperature etc and they have a knock sensor to adjust for fuel quality etc.

As I say I just wouldn't want a map on my car because I don't believe they add anything to the car, conversely I actually believe they have a detrimental impact, because they probably just fool sensors into believing it is always at optimal conditions, so it probably makes vehicles over rev etc. Lets face it the remap manufacturers cannot have spent enough time, or indeed probably any time testing and modifying their maps for every combination of vehicle make and model on real world vehicles. Has their claims been scientifically verified? I doubt it because as far as I know there is no legislation governing claimed performance increases. As far as I see it, people are effectively spending hundreds of pounds to be guinea pigs with their own vehicles.

Edited 2 September, 201114 yr by SkodaFabiaOwner

You haven't a clue have you? Anyone with some common sense goes to a reputable honest tuner. As for the placebo effect, Id say a good 50% of owners on here have a remap so I really doubt it'd be so popular if it didn't do anything. That's before we include the rr figures, 0-60 times etc etc. Anyone who has looked into it knows a sensible conservative map will yield 30-40bhp and still retain reliability. If your not interested in remapping your own car that's fine, but don't talk rubbish if you clearly have no idea

Matt

In my opinion, performance is not all about rr figures, it's about the fine tuning of overall real world handling, such as how a vehicle performs in summer and winter temperatures with inclines, descents, transporting differing cargo weights, towing etc etc. So what I'm trying to say is yes you may well see more favourable rr figures because maps have obviously been designed to perform well in this area, but people don't drive their vehicles on rr's all day.

I'm not knocking anyone who has one, each to their own I say, I'm just saying I wouldn't want one.

Edited 2 September, 201114 yr by SkodaFabiaOwner

They only program themselves within limits though. The limits being set by the manufacturerm according to circumstances which will never be seen in the UK but are commonplace abroad. Changing the limits to be safe UK limits still allows the car to "program itself", it's just that now it can do it over a wider range of parameters so it gives the car a better baseline to work from, and more flexibility with its learning. Win-win.

Obviously GOOD mappers test their maps, but yes, some people are guinea pigs. Generally speaking, a development car would get a free map and very careful monitoring over a period of time to make sure it's safe. So there's an incentive there, if I had someone I rated (maybe Ben from Shark, or Will from P-Torque) then I'd probably happily hand over my brand new car to see what they could do with it, as long as I wasn't left out of pocket. The engine has rev limiters so still can't over-rev under ECU control. The sensors aren't fooled in a GOOD map.

Also, re: your claims of economy etc, my Leon economy improved after I had the remap (had the car for around 40k unmapped, about 35k remapped. So your claims that the manufacturer knows best simply aren't true, in my experience.

skodafabiaowner Don't knock what you haven't tried is all i will say.

don't knock a remap till you have tried it. i was sceptical before i got mine but you can tell the difference and when driving normally i have seen an increase in mpg as the power is smooth through the rev range from about 1800-5000rpm rather than in one lump from 2000-3500rpm. if driven sensibly you won't damage the car, although you run the risk of shortening the operating life of some components if you drive liker a bell

Also i don't think i would be taking my car to fusion-performance-tuning when you look at the feedback. they all paid paid 99p for a remap over a 2 week period. seems to me like he just got his mates to give him some good feedback

Edited 2 September, 201114 yr by anthonyh90

He invoices them on ebay for 99 so he can get the feedback you pay cash for remap.

He invoices them on ebay for 99 so he can get the feedback you pay cash for remap.

Oh, sounds legit. :wonder:

Oh, sounds legit. :wonder:

Clearly he is simply using ebay as a marketing tool rather than a selling tool, the ridiculous costs of selling on ebay are then mitigated and he can keep the remap price a lot lower. I'd call that smart.

C'mon Boss, what kind of businessman are you? :wonder:

Clearly he is simply using ebay as a marketing tool rather than a selling tool, the ridiculous costs of selling on ebay are then mitigated and he can keep the remap price a lot lower. I'd call that smart.

C'mon Boss, what kind of businessman are you? :wonder:

A boss who doesn't deal with people trading in one name that is practically untracable, has minimal feebdack for 99p purchases that are not likely to be real feebback from customers... while they also alledgedly run a completely normal business that has a good reputation.

Just call me cautious. You would use your known company to trade from, even if just using ebay as a marketing tool.

Seven years ago we worked for a community transport scheme guarenteed by the council. They changed to a limited company for six months (without telling anyone) and then went pop owing us £32,000 pounds. I guess it made me more aware of certain things.

If the remap blows your car up you can't legally (IMO) go back to the well known shop you can find on the internet. It could be set up as two completely different trading concerns with the same telephone number. This alone would make me want to use a known tuning company operating normally that you can visit, pay and have some piece of mind.

You can't legally do anything anyway since there are no guarantees from remaps, in fact you'll usually need to sign a waiver before works commence.

Nonetheless, I am in agreement with you about using a reputable firm with a face and I'm always happy to pay more for that privilege.

What you and I need to remember is that there are a lot of spotty retards out there with a recently acquired driving licence who are in hock to their insurance companies/HP/Mum'n'Dad and therefore don't have much money spare but who wannabe modders, this firm is clearly trying to supply that demand.

What you and I need to remember is that there are a lot of spotty retards out there with a recently acquired driving licence who are in hock to their insurance companies/HP/Mum'n'Dad and therefore don't have much money spare but who wannabe modders, this firm is clearly trying to supply that demand.

Probably just as many spotty retards doing the maps too, you can buy Byteshooter packages on eBay for sub-£2k, that's only 14 maps at £150 a pop and you've made your money back, especially when you're not offering a warranty, and doing a mobile service without dyno runs as proof. In fact....

/me wanders off to click "Buy it now"

Very true, but those same retards are just copying/pasting existing maps, it's not like they're customising or developing anything. How hard can it be?