Hi folks,

I know this subject has been covered before but I reckon new people are logging into the forum every day or buying DSG cars so a refresher course may be helpful for some

I've noticed from time to time the car hesitates when pulling out at junctions. I always take my foot off the brake nice and early to let the car slowly edge forward before giving it the V Power, but still find it can be hesitant.

Tonight when trying a 'quick' 3 point turn it turned out half an hour longer than expected. I drove forward, put it into reverse, there was a long

delay, moved back, flicked it into D, and yet another long delay.

What am I doing wrong? Any advice would be great.

I have to do a three point turn everyday to park my car in work and have no hesitation doing that or from pulling off from junctions. You can select D or R while the car is as a very slow speed without coming to a complete stop. I remember someone suggesting doing that when the vRS first came out. Works for me

No delay in mine, it just takes a sec or two for the hill hold to switch off before moving again I guess?

I complained about this when we first got the wifes Vrs. It's been back to the dealers and had a so called software update. I think they reset the DSG box. It did improve it quite a bit.

I find the best way now is if your going for it is to stick it in "S" mode and hold on.

Just to add, approching a roundabout I now blip the throttle to drop it down a few cogs and were ready to go if you dont have to stop

No delay in mine, it just takes a sec or two for the hill hold to switch off before moving again I guess?

Yip, I think it is the Hill Hold thingy, it just seems like it takes a lifetime sometimes

I have to do a three point turn everyday to park my car in work and have no hesitation doing that or from pulling off from junctions. You can select D or R while the car is as a very slow speed without coming to a complete stop. I remember someone suggesting doing that when the vRS first came out. Works for me

I wasn't aware you could change between D and R whilst the car is still moving, will fart about with it tomorrow

I wasn't aware you could change between D and R whilst the car is still moving, will fart about with it tomorrow

Dont think I'd like to stick it in "R" whilst going forward, wont do the box any good surley

Dont think I'd like to stick it in "R" whilst going forward, wont do the box any good surley

Good point

I pop mine in D while still rolling backwards and made the mistake of doing it the other way around once... The noise was terrifying :S

To your main question, I did notice this at first, just give it a little more and she should just get up and go!

I pop mine in D while still rolling backwards and made the mistake of doing it the other way around once... The noise was terrifying :S

To your main question, I did notice this at first, just give it a little more and she should just get up and go!

That's what I meant not the other way round. Plus I think the hesitation people are finding is just the hill hold engaging/re-engaging

again, no delay here (and learners use my car, 3 point turns ect are par for the course) I understand some people have had it (like auric, but when in mine there is no delay.... Phil drove mine recently and confirmed its instant reactions, I even put a vid up on here!

I cannot explain why some have a delay... really, i cant, assuming the gearboxes/software are the same, I wold have to see the driver using it to comment ...

again, no delay here (and learners use my car, 3 point turns ect are par for the course) I understand some people have had it (like auric, but when in mine there is no delay.... Phil drove mine recently and confirmed its instant reactions, I even put a vid up on here!

I cannot explain why some have a delay... really, i cant, assuming the gearboxes/software are the same, I wold have to see the driver using it to comment ...

The more miles on the clock the better it's getting. I like Hyper mode best "Put in S plant foot and hold, breathe slowly but keep eyes open"

The more miles on the clock the better it's getting. I like Hyper mode best "Put in S plant foot and hold, breathe slowly but keep eyes open"

lol.. all good fun, you can do sport mode better on your own with the paddles... just lots of practice

The delay is the first signs of mechatronic failure. Next it will kangaroo at low speeds.

Welcome to the world of DSG.

The delay is the first signs of mechatronic failure. Next it will kangaroo at low speeds.

Welcome to the world of DSG.

The first signs of mechatronic failure appear after 500 miles? I think what he describes is just due to being new with the DSG, and it's been discussed many times in the past in "getting to know the DSG" threads. I don't think it has something to do with a failure...

Exactly it just takes getting used to.

Delay is pause between R and brake pedal and D and accelerator. And being new to DSG, play with it a bit, you'll soon get better at it.

Nope. You put your foot down and instead of the car moving off smoothly, it has a think then it takes off like a scalded cat. It's classic. You're sat at a roundabout entry and you daren't go for a gap because you don't know if it will pull or not. They don't all do it. Just some of them. The broken ones.

Be honest. The demonstrator didn't do it, did it?

Mine is fine lol

Demo had delay at roundabouts but nothing major.

You keep telling yourself that it's all fine, but monitor the length of the delay and see if it doesn't get longer. I had two DSG cars and nothing but trouble with both of them. About 1 in 10 is defective and very often the owners drive around the defects because they don't know any better.

You keep telling yourself that it's all fine, but monitor the length of the delay and see if it doesn't get longer. I had two DSG cars and nothing but trouble with both of them. About 1 in 10 is defective and very often the owners drive around the defects because they don't know any better.

You do realize that trying to convince everybody they have a problem just because you've been having problems with yours is just silly right? I do a 3-point-turn everyday to park out of my front yard and I change from R to D instantly...

Concerning roundabouts, If I am moving slowly and dont want to run away then obviously the car will do it with lower torque as it will probably be in 4th of even 5th gear in D, same way I would be lazy-driving with a manual, leaving it on a higher gear and not bothering to shift down for the ideal torque just before I enter the roundabout. If on the other hand I am moving with a quick pace, I would be in manual, and will have already shifted down to 3rd or 2nd and then the car accelerates with full torque, no hesitation there so all as expected...

Nope. You put your foot down and instead of the car moving off smoothly, it has a think then it takes off like a scalded cat. It's classic. You're sat at a roundabout entry and you daren't go for a gap because you don't know if it will pull or not. They don't all do it. Just some of them. The broken ones.Be honest. The demonstrator didn't do it, did it?

Yep. That describes it exactly. Doesn't do it every time but have to expect it and wait for larger gap to pull into - which on busy roads is, of course, a nightmare. Just had mine back from its first service. Mentioned it to the dealer who checked and said they couldn't reproduce it, but don't think he road tested it. And they didn't seem aware that some VRS's experience this issue. They said they check with Skoda. I said I'd be back and take them out for a drive so that they could experience it.

ok, I use my vRS for driving instruction, and have so far covered 22,000 trouble free miles in it, there is no hesitation at all, and all the different drivers can drive it fine.. (under instruction from me on how to do it..) this gives me the intial impression that any of you having problems, have broken gearboxes, seems unlikley though given VAG quality..

however with all this discussion on the forums, and me saying mine is fine, people have driven my car at meets, and lots of people try to drive the DGS LOTS of different ways... now I am almost convinced that the majority of people simply arn't adapting their driving style or learning to use the box correctly...

I would like to put this to the test... If I'm at a meet with someone who has a "hesitation" with their DGS, I would like to go for a 10 minute drive with them and assess how they are driving it...

let me give a hyperthetical situation, this hesitancy at roundabouts.. it may simply be that you touch the pedal to edge forward from standstill, while assessing a gap, have a little indecition (thus moving your foot off the gas, causing the box to disengage the clutch, which it will at these speeds) then decide you want the gap and press the pedal, the gearbox is disengaging, a hesitation is caused by the drivers input, as it then tries to re-engage drive...

this is just one hyperthetical situation.. there are hundreds of variables, I would bet I could cure most of the problems with a little education.. and please dont start with the "i've been drivivng for 40 years think I know how to drive" as I know for a fact I could take anyone out and point out stuff they are doing, that they dont even KNOW they are doing....

I've had experianced drivers drive my car, that have made it seem like a bag of spanners, and the gearbox is broken, just because they are giving all the wrong inputs, and others (like Phil at the recent york meet) who have got in it, and driven it well first time, and thus got out, saying "wow, thats brilliant" who would adapt without issues...

I'm not having a go at anyones driving style, or abilities, just that everyone is different, and I get to see lots of different people drive, and can verify, that the inputs you give the DSG vastly affect how it drives, and you may not be aware of what you are actually doing!

EDIT: obviously some of you do have brokem gearboxes, i'm not disputing this either..

You do realize that trying to convince everybody they have a problem just because you've been having problems with yours is just silly right? I do a 3-point-turn everyday to park out of my front yard and I change from R to D instantly...

Concerning roundabouts, If I am moving slowly and dont want to run away then obviously the car will do it with lower torque as it will probably be in 4th of even 5th gear in D, same way I would be lazy-driving with a manual, leaving it on a higher gear and not bothering to shift down for the ideal torque just before I enter the roundabout. If on the other hand I am moving with a quick pace, I would be in manual, and will have already shifted down to 3rd or 2nd and then the car accelerates with full torque, no hesitation there so all as expected...

OK, I do HUGE mileages on an annual basis. At least 40,000 business miles and maybe another 10-15,000 private miles every year. I had a PD140 Golf with a DSG gearbox and a PD170 Passat with the same gearbox, as did several other high mileage drivers I work with. Most of us had issues. We had so any issues we were invited down to Milton Keynes for DSG driving lesson master classes. And we still had problems.

When the car works correctly it pulls straight away. No hesitation, no slack feeling about the accelerator pedal. That's the first symptom. Next comes the jerky take-off and the very clunky shifts. Usually by this point the driver is using the paddles to make things a bit smoother. It's actually mechatronic failure.

Now, there are people who deny the holocaust ever happened, and there are 90% of DSG gearbox owners who won't hear a bad word about them. The holocaust did happen and a large proportion of DSG gearboxes develop faults. Just because yours hasn't (yet) doesn't mean that others don't have problems and that you won't have problems in future.

Every VAG forum has LOTS of DSG issues threads. Read up on it.

I have no problems with mine but through choice I use the paddles about 80% of the time just because it's more fun. In auto I have NO hesitation, NO jerkiness, and NO hesitation at roundabouts. I knew of the potential problems before I bought it and I've taken a chance. Personally I don't like the scaremongering going on here lately, not just from DSG but other things too. If you what if'd all the time you'd buy nothing and do nothing