Thanks Scott

Oli

The new MOT rules state "If fitted washer & self levelling must work" but it doesnt have they have to be fitted in the first place. To get the self levelling working you need to fit the sensors front and rear, loom & control unit as far as I`m aware.

Stole this from the AA website, not spotted it been covered yet:

"HID headlights can cause dazzle if they are dirty or aimed too high so car manufacturers must fit headlamp cleaning and levelling systems. A car will fail if a mandatory headlamp cleaning or levelling system is missing, doesn't work or is obviously defective.

Vehicles fitted with aftermarket HID systems must also be fitted with properly working washer and levelling systems."

Now to me that reads that if you have HID's, whether aftermarket or factory, levellers and washers need to be fitted, or am i just taking it the wrong way?

I was wanting to fit these into my new fabia but obviously the trouble of fitting the washers and self levelling would probably be horrendous?

for anyone who wants to read it and tell me whether it just "tat", links below, theres details on de-cats etc aswell

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

Stole this from the AA website, not spotted it been covered yet:

"HID headlights can cause dazzle if they are dirty or aimed too high so car manufacturers must fit headlamp cleaning and levelling systems. A car will fail if a mandatory headlamp cleaning or levelling system is missing, doesn't work or is obviously defective.

Vehicles fitted with aftermarket HID systems must also be fitted with properly working washer and levelling systems."

Now to me that reads that if you have HID's, whether aftermarket or factory, levellers and washers need to be fitted, or am i just taking it the wrong way?

I was wanting to fit these into my new fabia but obviously the trouble of fitting the washers and self levelling would probably be horrendous?

for anyone who wants to read it and tell me whether it just "tat", links below, theres details on de-cats etc aswell

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

why worry soo much? ive ran HIDs in this car and my previous car for years. ive been stopped checked a few times aswell and nothing ever said. end of the day its upto the individual but i think theres even less chance of getting stopped with the xenon lamps as they will conseal the beam, and i doubt the washers would even come to question

Stole this from the AA website, not spotted it been covered yet:

"HID headlights can cause dazzle if they are dirty or aimed too high so car manufacturers must fit headlamp cleaning and levelling systems. A car will fail if a mandatory headlamp cleaning or levelling system is missing, doesn't work or is obviously defective.

Vehicles fitted with aftermarket HID systems must also be fitted with properly working washer and levelling systems."

Now to me that reads that if you have HID's, whether aftermarket or factory, levellers and washers need to be fitted, or am i just taking it the wrong way?

I was wanting to fit these into my new fabia but obviously the trouble of fitting the washers and self levelling would probably be horrendous?

for anyone who wants to read it and tell me whether it just "tat", links below, theres details on de-cats etc aswell

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

its rubbish. you don't need them fitted otherwise older cars that have them fitted as standard would fail the MOT.

Thats a fair point. I just wanted it to be "right" and not have to swap and change parts just to pass an MOT. We'll see if it actually comes into action first i guess

And its not really a case of being stopped and checked im bothered by, its literally just passing the MOT without any hassle really

just to put this in the mix

Lighting

Products on the lens or light source that obviously reduce the light's intensity or change its colour will become a reason for failure – applies to front/rear position lamps, registration plate lamps, stop lamps, rear fog and direction indicators,

Headlight requirements are updated to take account of the particular characteristics of High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps.

HID headlights can cause dazzle if they are dirty or aimed too high so car manufacturers must fit headlamp cleaning and levelling systems. A car will fail if a mandatory headlamp cleaning or levelling system is missing, doesn't work or is obviously defective.

Vehicles fitted with aftermarket HID systems must also be fitted with properly working washer and levelling systems.

If a headlamp bulb is not seated correctly the resulting beam pattern will be indistinct and this will result in a test fail.

Taken from

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

Same page i took mine from

This arguement has been going on for weeks, and according to the new mot rules, not the AA, who are only a breakdown service, if the factory fit xenon headlights are fittied and have a washing system and self leveling they must work. If they are not fitted then they cant be tested and therefore not fail. I cant remember the outcome for the cheap hid kits.

Yeah but it's wrong so you can post it as much as you like.

Go to the general maintenance section and look at the HID thread in the first post there's the mot testers manual from the department of transport, go to page 28 and you will see that if levellers are fitted they Must work, same goes for washers. The key word there is IF!

Its quite simple really if people read the site and the regs! It appears everyone on here is now an MOT tester and say "just dont worry! Itll be fine"!! This might be the case with some dodgy backstreet garage, but in reality its going to be a ballache for a lot of people. Simple answer in my eyes is, if its not standard and set up right then itll fail! This is also the opinion of the garage down the road that i get MOTs from. They arent dodgy but a very good indy.

Im positive a lot of people will be dissappointed and without MOTs.

This is just mine and an MOTers opinion though!

Jesus, the regs are plain to see in black and white now, and it's still being discussed lol. Ignore the ****e from everyone else read the MOT manual!

Im looking forward to all these cars failing their MOT.

Its simple common sense after all.

Direct gov site

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

copy and paste

Lights

Condition, operation including HID and LED headlamps for cleaning, self levelling and security. Headlamp aim. Main beam warning light.

MOT testers don't use the AA website for their rules though

Xenons must have washers, simple.

HIDs maybe not.

Why argue about it, just accept it & move on.

MOT testers don't use the AA website for their rules though

But the AA have got the info from the MOT website....

Im looking forward to all these cars failing their MOT.

Its simple common sense after all.

Direct gov site

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

copy and paste

Lights

Condition, operation including HID and LED headlamps for cleaning, self levelling and security. Headlamp aim. Main beam warning light.

The AA is a direct gov site now?

Read the manual! Don't need levelling or cleaning, if you do will that mean cars that have them fitted as standard and don't have the cleaning and washers will fail?

But the MOT testers manual doesn't say that.

Xenons must have washers, simple.

HIDs maybe not.

Why argue about it, just accept it & move on.

Xenons are HIDs

Xenons must have washers, simple.

But most factory fitted Xenons don't have them! Your not tester mate has obviously misread the manual.

Xenons are HIDs

HId are h7s etc bulbs, xenons are d2s bulbs. They do both have igniters however.

Xenons are HIDs

+1

Edited 29 December, 201114 yr by mdon

The AA is a direct gov site now?

Read the manual! Don't need levelling or cleaning, if you do will that mean cars that have them fitted as standard and don't have the cleaning and washers will fail?

sorry, i miss linked the website

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022109

HId are h7s etc bulbs, xenons are d2s bulbs. They do both have igniters however.

Sorry dude that's wrong.

HID = High Intensity Discharge. An electric arc is passed through xenon gas giving off a very bright light, hence the name.

Whether it's H7 or D2S is no different, that's just the fitment of the bulb.

sorry, i miss linked the website

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022109

Right, to settle this read the below link page 28. Xenons and HIDs are treated the same in law and MOT. Tell your fantasy mot mate to read it too.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf