The person who is causing the greater danger is the person who is driving too close (driver 2)

The NSL is just that, a LIMIT. It does not mean you have to attain it.

You don't know the reason driver 1 is not driving faster, and there may be a very good reason for it, even on an open road.

In that situation, if I was driver 1 I would actually slow down more, as this then given driver 2 a better chance to overtake reasonably safely.

Good point. Some cars, especially older cars, do not go fast. My daughter has a Citreon AX Elation under 1L in very good nick but is very slow and always has people up her 'backside' as it were. I think hang back until you have a proper opening. It's the only way.

Which was the point of my original post.

Full circle has been achieved

Which was the point of my original post.

Full circle has been achieved

Now we can round again, just in the opposite direction!

Now we can round again, just in the opposite direction!

Off you go then...

From the point of view of the ones behind you should think about why the person is going slowly is this their first time out after an accident or has the car got a problem. As the person going slowly I would probably try to pull over to let anyone behind go just to get them to go away.

From the point of view of the ones behind you should think about why the person is going slowly is this their first time out after an accident or has the car got a problem.

Or, my favourite one, are they lost/looking for a turning

Chris

That's what it usually is and then they take a sharp turning with no indication.

If you drive the same route every day and at the same times you recognise cars and know where they turn off and what lanes they get into. This avoids the pointless overtake which means less fuel used but anticipating well what they'll do next. When I catch up to a vehicle going slower I wait to see how they are driving before thinking about overtaking. Plus if I know the road I also know the points to pass so I won't get stressed over it.

they take a sharp turning with no indication.

This is interesting as I know you're referring to "flashing orange lights" but in broader terms there are usually clues available prior to the turn itself, especially if you can see inside the car (arguing passengers, big unfolded map, gesturing, etc). I think it's important to have confirmation (and co-operation!) from the overtakee before committing to an overtake so it's well worth seeking this to minimise the possibility of a "sudden" manouevre happening in front of you.

Chris

Suckings eggs here but drivers when lost tend to hover in speed prior to a turn (ie even slower and/or faster than their slow cruising speed). So long as you spot that and keep distance its fine.

But back to OP, I find concept annoying that some drivers know they're tailgated or the driver behinds wants to overtake but they do nothing or worse hinder the progression of the car who wants to overtake (put their foot down for fun when another is overtaking). Not reacting to a bad situation is nearly if not as bad as the person who causing it. I would quite happy speed up or move aside and make it easier for someone to overtake if the situation occurs. who knows, that person maybe in an emergency.

Any which way, discretion is key really. I'm not a judge nor have the powers to enforce law, so best I can do is keep safe. Having a brief moment of slight increase hazard (assisted overtake) imo is safer than keeping a tailgater trying to attempt bad overtakes for 5 miles.

Is that another canoworms I opened?

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This is interesting as I know you're referring to "flashing orange lights" but in broader terms there are usually clues available prior to the turn itself, especially if you can see inside the car (arguing passengers, big unfolded map, gesturing, etc). I think it's important to have confirmation (and co-operation!) from the overtakee before committing to an overtake so it's well worth seeking this to minimise the possibility of a "sudden" manouevre happening in front of you.

Chris

I know this... I was more referring to the "sudden" bit and if they are distracted buy for example trying to find somewhere this is more likely. "Sudden" as in braking hard and turning. You can watch out for it but you can never know which way they'll turn until a few split seconds before it happens.

Keeping your distance and anticipating the unexpected as in their lost or somethings not right helps here.

I tend to drive quiet fast anyway but i used to have a road that was a 60 then dropped to a 40 on my way home from work and used to get people regular doing 50 in the 60 then when it came to the 40 would continue to do 50, used to find it quiet amusing,

its not people on single carrageways that annoy mea, well apart from the old giffer today that insisted on doing 30 in a 60 thats a long downhill drag and sitting all the way with his foot on brake with me behind in mightly vetra with trailer on with a ton of rubble in it, it people that just don't know theres 3 lanes on a motorway and insist on traveling in middle lane even when there is no other cars on the motorway ,

I understand what you say about middle lane drivers, just one question tho' if there is no-one else one the motorway what does it matter where or even at what speed he drives?

How many of us have had a 'yoof' in an old banger woth a drainpipe for an exhaust sitting right up your chuff because he wants to race you, even if the nought to sixty time on his car is 'sometime this week' and if you yourself already have already have enough points on your licence to fill a nectar card and really really don't want to get involved even though you are livid at the idiots driving , you can always just slow down to walking pace , hopefully near a suitable overtaking place, it always works for me and you haven't had to break any speed limits to get rid of the annoying little irk.

Don't however do what a mate of mine did, he totaly lost hos cool and at nearly 50mph he put his car into second and dropped the clutch, the other driver had screetching tyres and a little detour onto the grass verge on the side of the road, but that one could be fatal, just let them pass and sit there in deep satisfaction that you didn't let him/her get to you.

Three days in a row this week we have been following a car doing approx 35 in a NSL on the same country road near us.

I know that there is a private house further up the road selling cars. The guy used to live about 200yds closer in our direction of travel.

All three cars slowed even more on approach to the 1st address so I hung well back as I had a very good idea what came next.

Yup, they all signalled late and turned sharply into the correct entrance.

It does rather frustrate me when drivers do near half the nsl, muttering 'maniac' at anyone who passes them (see last weeks top gear). Who then speed through the 'safer bits', with street lamps, straights, etc preventing overtaking. . . . 

 

Maybe they're all American, where speed limits reduce for every corner . . . .

Edited 26 February, 201510 yr by lpt100