Testing my trailer lighting yesterday, in particular the for lights, and the whole switch assembly seemed to be coming out of the dash when pulling out to select fogs.

Is this a special feature :S

Yes!!

Actually it is the subject of a recall, so it is something else you can "talk" to Black Pigeon about.

There is a thread somewhere here about it.

Where will you be on Saturday?

http://www.wyedeanrally.com/maps.pdf

I'm going to try and negotiate with SWMBO later, if you can PM me details. I would of course have the radio in the car!

Not a recall but a known problem - warranty replacement - had mine replaced last week,

My error.

Mind you that was what the thread was called.

I shall go and stand in the corner :'(

Where will you be on Saturday?

http://www.wyedeanrally.com/maps.pdf

I'm going to try and negotiate with SWMBO later, if you can PM me details. I would of course have the radio in the car!

Panicking on Trelleck Common stage - I'm SC on a shortish gravel stage not used since 2005, and then last used in the 90s. No real parking facilities except at SO 517 061, where I'm told those in the know congregate, which is why it's not on that plan.

FoD MC staking out all the stages Thursday, I'm tidying up RoW signs etc on Friday on my stage, and then an early start Saturday with the correx and tape/more signs etc before. Ist competitive car at Trelleck 12.33.

Not a recall but a known problem - warranty replacement - had mine replaced last week,

Thanks, does the switch assy come completely out in your hand?

I hastily stuffed in back in again in case things popped out

Yes - that's just what happens!

Common part to a shedload of VAG models IIRC!

Come out of the corner, Graham - it was MacDemon who led us up the garden path

Thank you Merlinman.

Jerry, I should know this evening what SWMBO says, so shall leave a message tomorrow.

That happend on my 2005 Jetta and it was replaced at no cost well out of warranty.

Edited 7 February, 201214 yr by Saber

Just noticed that the mainbeam symbol on the light switch doesnt seem to light up when switch in this ( far right) position.

The other position symbols do light up.

Is this a fault or a feature I havent manage to find in the user guide .

I have Xenon lights .

Just noticed that the mainbeam symbol on the light switch doesnt seem to light up when switch in this ( far right) position.

The other position symbols do light up.

Is this a fault or a feature I havent manage to find in the user guide .

I have Xenon lights .

I think it only lights up in Auto mode

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Mainbeam symbol lights in the instrument cluster whenever the minbeam lights up

- either in AUTO mode or manually turned on. Parking lights symbol do lights up at the right of the AUTO symbol on the rotary switch and there is no symbol on the instrument cluster other than its illumination. On most of cars there is no parking light symbol as the instrument illumination itself indicates parking lights "on". So VAG is consistent to the symbol system used at least on every car I know.

Edited 15 December, 201213 yr by rafi_arch

Just noticed that the mainbeam symbol on the light switch doesnt seem to light up when switch in this ( far right) position.

The other position symbols do light up.

Is this a fault or a feature I havent manage to find in the user guide .

I have Xenon lights .

On a friend's Golf 6 there is no green light symbol in the speedo that tell him when his Auto lights are on... which I find daft. The only way to see if the lights are on in the Golf is to look at the switch where the symbol only lights up when the lights are on. Weird how two cars on the same platform with basically the same dials and switch work so differently.

Let's, first of all, be clear on nomenclature. I believe the OP is referring to the 'dipped beam' symbol, which does not light up under any situation. The 'sidelight' image does, to indicate whether or not some lights are on or off. 'Main beam' describes the lights that you use when the road is clear and you want to see as far as possible - you get the blue light on the instrument cluster for this.

Let's, first of all, be clear on nomenclature. I believe the OP is referring to the 'dipped beam' symbol, which does not light up under any situation. The 'sidelight' image does, to indicate whether or not some lights are on or off. 'Main beam' describes the lights that you use when the road is clear and you want to see as far as possible - you get the blue light on the instrument cluster for this.

LOL.... It is the dipped beam symbol (in green) that is the only thing that lights up in the Golf (on the switch) to tell you the lights are on. There is no green dipped symbol in the speedo. And as far as I remember, I thought both the switch symbol AND the speedo symbol go on (in green) on the Yeti? My car is at home so I can't check.

Thanks for the confirmation that everything is okay, of course with the symbols in the speedo the light switch symbol lights are not needed but it does seem inconsistent and the switch looks as if it designed to lightup.

............ and the switch looks as if it designed to lightup.

Exactly what I thought!

I finally took the pics. And as I said the entire switch is un-illuminated in the day (bar the AUTO part) when the lights are off. The moment they go on the headlight image lights up to the right of it. And at night everything lights up and the AUTO and the same headlight icon (or whatever is on, eg fogs) is lit brighter than the rest.

Daytime:

Nightime:

I finally took the pics. And as I said the entire switch is un-illuminated in the day (bar the AUTO part) when the lights are off. The moment they go on the headlight image lights up to the right of it. And at night everything lights up and the AUTO and the same headlight icon (or whatever is on, eg fogs) is lit brighter than the rest.

Daytime:

Isn't the "outward facing pair of lights" symbol actually the parking lights Johann, not headlights? Surely headlights is the one on the extreme right. So when your Auto lights are on, the sidelights symbol lights up, not the headlights one on the right which as far as I'm aware never changes intensity.

Edited 29 December, 201213 yr by speedsport

Isn't the "outward facing pair of lights" symbol actually the parking lights Johann, not headlights? Surely headlights is the one on the extreme right. So when your Auto lights are on, the sidelights symbol lights up, not the headlights one on the right which as far as I'm aware never changes intensity.

Correct.

Isn't the "outward facing pair of lights" symbol actually the parking lights Johann, not headlights? Surely headlights is the one on the extreme right. So when your Auto lights are on, the sidelights symbol lights up, not the headlights one on the right which as far as I'm aware never changes intensity.

That was what I was concerned about . But as ever this forum has provided the answer even if to confirm the operation is illogical IMHO.

That was what I was concerned about . But as ever this forum has provided the answer even if to confirm the operation is illogical IMHO.

Yes. this had bothered me too.

Me too, what are the two symbols for anyway if they don't illuminate?

Is is it just a parts bin thing?

Sorry, but I can't understand what is illogical and the discussion about.

Other than the fact IMO all lights command are better being on the left stalk rather than a dash knob, I find it logical:

Symbols and knobs are basically illuminated all over the cabin like windows, mirrors, AC, heat etc.

When it comes to operation, there is a language to display ON status: Side (parking) lights on - whole cabin instruments, buttons and knobs are lit as on every car I know + the bright indicator on the rotary knob as a bonus but IMO meaningless (there are cars with a dedicated lit symbol on the instrument cluster - meaningless too).

Dipped (low) beam on - a dedicated green symbol is lit on the instrument cluster, no further bright indicator on the knob.

Main (high) beam on - a dedicated blue symbol is lit on the instrument cluster, no further bright indicator on the stalk that operates it !

Rear fog light, front fog light, etc. behaves the same - also as on every car I know.

Exception is the rear heated window - there is no symbol in the instrument cluster - just a small orange led on the button, where on other cars this button doesn't change color or illuminates but there is an orange symbol in the instrument cluster.

Interesting in operation and display was the FIAT TIPO: all commands were grouped on the left and right stalks that were even illuminated by themselves. All "Light" commands incl. the fogs - as a push button on the end of the left stalk. All "Visibility" commands (wipers, etc.) incl. the rear heated window - as a push button on the end of the right stalk. All "ON" indicators were in the instrument cluster. I think this was the Italian approach (implementation of commands and status indicators) for "fast driving", as there is no need to leave the hand from the steering wheel - even to activate rear heated window !

Thanks for those patient to read all above and HAPPY NEW YEAR !

I don't have a problem with the light switch as it is either.

The bottom line is that every condition has an indication.

Auto lights (where fitted) illuminate the dipped headlights symbol on the instruments when on.

Side/parking lights illuminate a symbol on the rotary switch when on

Headlights illuminate the symbol in the instrument cluster when manually selected

Main beam ditto

Front fogs ditto

Rear fog ditto

That all seems ok to me, though like Rafi, I still preferred the most often used light controls to be located on the stalk (like 1990's Ford) but I realise that there are probably too many controls these days to include lights on the steering wheel stalks as well (and fewer wires to route up the steering column - with or without canbus).

Mind you, it does irk me to see Yeti owners driving along on sidelights only in poor visibility when I know their cars are fitted with DRL's. (Yes I know not all Yetis are fitted with DRL's but there are two that I see regularly near home that I know do have them).

IMO it should be impossible to drive on sidelights only - the car should be programmed to automatically select dipped beam lights if the driver attempts to move off on sidelights alone. If the conditions are too poor for DRL's then headlights should be the only alternative. (I'll go & get my hard hat & wait for the response!)