What do people think of this? GT 86

http://www.toyota.co.uk/bv/leads/pdfFiles/rc66524.pdf

Ive been workingI out the finances, not really much of a performance gain, but 5 year warranty and £310 per month is not any more than I'm paying now.

So how about it in a nice Metallic Blue???

It just looks like the first affordable attractive car Ive seen for a while.

PS I dont work for Toyota!, Views appreciated:)

cheers

would have one in black, reminds me a lot of my 2006 hyundai coupe

Pearl White for me... Manual with touch and go

http://www.autoblog....-review-to-date

I suggest you go and get a Road Test in one before doing much more thinking or dreaming about one..

I so wanted an Autobox BRZ,

have waited and waited and was so excited as the time came at last, but went a good distance to get a drive in a GT86 auto.

Unbelievable, what a let down. It was my driving disapointment of all time.

You will keep your licence quite safely as you drive in a chilled and totally legal manner.

Rear wheel drive BMW diesels will leave you for dead without tail wagging.

As will ever plain and half warm hatch that you even consider trying to show your driving and the cars handling skills to.

Poor vehicle with all the show but with no go. JMO

Some of the tuned versions becoming available already will at least be nearer to how they look

george

The advert came on tv for the gt86 while i was reading this.......the advert makes no sense at all

Very nice looking car but i think il wait to see if a turbod version comes out first before looking to closly at them

Would much rather have my mates AE86......much more fun to drive(i imagine) and probaly alot more powerful

Sat in one. Looks the dogs wobbly bits in the flesh.

Took me right back to my Celica days.

If you're not one for ragging and posing around pretending to be a wanabe BTCC or WRC champion, go for it!

All depends what you want from your car. I have driven one on a long test drive around some of my favourite routes.

The bodyshell is rigid allowing the chassis to be firmly sprung and damped, but not in any way harsh or jiggly. The overall balance is very nice with just a hint of understeer if you turn in really hard, but otherwise neutral. Adding power mid corner results in the back end coming into play, but it is certainly no drift hero. But then, why would you want to make a car unnecesarily oversteer orienteated? The main fun to be had IMO is working the balance and traction out of the corners and enjoying the really very good balance and grip. There is a satisfying cohesion to the road manners that makes it fun to hustle along in a tidy but fun fashion.

Controls are pretty well weighted in general. Steering feel is ok, good enough to know where the grip is and how it is changing with road surface. The pedals are spaced just nicely for heel and toe work. Weighting is good. The dash is not particularly blingy, but everything seems well laid out and clear enough. It has a decent 6 speed manual, an auto would hobble it completely IMO.

Seats in the demonstrator where the leather / alcantara option and where very very good. Comfortable as your armchair but supportive enough for accurate hooning.

The engine is a bit of an unusual thing, boxer 4 layout. It sounds different to a typical 4 pot but not a scooby warble. It revs very freely and positively thrives above 5000rpm. It sounds mechanically a little gritty, but is also very smooth with minimal vibration, much smoother than your typical in line 4. It is fast? Depends what you are used to I guess. Ultimatley it has around 160bhp per tonne, which is nippy, but you need to keep it on the boil to make serious progress. Stepping out of my Kia Rio 1.1CRDi, it felt nippy, stepping out of my MR2 roadster (with 10psi of boost) it felt slow.

What makes it different to a lot of other stuff out there is the rear drive layout. Sure there are faster cars out there for the money, but few that will give the same scope for enjoying the process of refining your driving technique. It is IMO one of those cars that takes work to drive well and rewards the work you put in.

IMO it looks good too. Think of it as a huge step on from the old Celica coupe and you are on the right track. Think of it as a tyre smoking oversteering beast and you are going to be sorely disappointed. If that is your bag, save extra pennies and go for the Nissan 370z (and the fuel costs that go with it) or the chunky but ugly (but brilliant) 1M Coupe. A used Cayman is another viable. Different beast altogether.

I reckon the least you should do it take a test drive. Personally, I really liked it, but would rather spend the money on something quicker from the used market. If I where buying new at that money it would certainly be at the top of my list.

Chris

Thought I read Subaru are planning a turbo charged version. From what I read its under powered and the chassis can handle more

Sent from my Galaxy S2 not a Crapple!

is the auto a slush box I assume? no decent twin clutch ?

(must be,andswering my own question looking at the figures... either that or an even worse single clutch job like the toyota auris, or even worse a belt!)

I actually enjoyed the Traditional type (6 speed) Auto box, & i used the paddles, which i dont usually do on my vRS.

This months EVO magazine, '174', has a good BRZ & GT86 comparison.

I really like the GT86 interior, but i prefer the exterior of the BRZ due to it being less fussy.

The Toyota front looks smoother, and the indicators look in the right place.

So does the Grill when i had seen pictures. But i just found the Front Grills are looked odd in the flesh.

It would have to be Silver for me in either cars.

(i could not find a BRZ Auto for sale or a demo model available, that i could go and roadtest,

so i have only sat in a manual, which i could not drive..)

EVO magazine '170' has 2 articles with the BRZ Automatic being driven.

I am interested to see how a new RS Clio with Twin Clutch will drive compared to these 2

I know different vehicles completely.

I really liked my iQ's and really only need a 2 seater, but if i am going to have either of these it will be in a few years once they are evolved a bit, and the first owner has taken the hit on the price of buying new.

I think a S/H Honda S2000 would be a better buy than these as a second & fun car for someone that does not need or want to drive an Automatic.

Maybe a BMW 135i possibly as a new or second hand buy.

(i just can bring my self to be a BMW driver tho)

george

All depends what you want from your car. I have driven one on a long test drive around some of my favourite routes.

The bodyshell is rigid allowing the chassis to be firmly sprung and damped, but not in any way harsh or jiggly. The overall balance is very nice with just a hint of understeer if you turn in really hard, but otherwise neutral. Adding power mid corner results in the back end coming into play, but it is certainly no drift hero. But then, why would you want to make a car unnecesarily oversteer orienteated? The main fun to be had IMO is working the balance and traction out of the corners and enjoying the really very good balance and grip. There is a satisfying cohesion to the road manners that makes it fun to hustle along in a tidy but fun fashion.

Controls are pretty well weighted in general. Steering feel is ok, good enough to know where the grip is and how it is changing with road surface. The pedals are spaced just nicely for heel and toe work. Weighting is good. The dash is not particularly blingy, but everything seems well laid out and clear enough. It has a decent 6 speed manual, an auto would hobble it completely IMO.

Seats in the demonstrator where the leather / alcantara option and where very very good. Comfortable as your armchair but supportive enough for accurate hooning.

The engine is a bit of an unusual thing, boxer 4 layout. It sounds different to a typical 4 pot but not a scooby warble. It revs very freely and positively thrives above 5000rpm. It sounds mechanically a little gritty, but is also very smooth with minimal vibration, much smoother than your typical in line 4. It is fast? Depends what you are used to I guess. Ultimatley it has around 160bhp per tonne, which is nippy, but you need to keep it on the boil to make serious progress. Stepping out of my Kia Rio 1.1CRDi, it felt nippy, stepping out of my MR2 roadster (with 10psi of boost) it felt slow.

What makes it different to a lot of other stuff out there is the rear drive layout. Sure there are faster cars out there for the money, but few that will give the same scope for enjoying the process of refining your driving technique. It is IMO one of those cars that takes work to drive well and rewards the work you put in.

IMO it looks good too. Think of it as a huge step on from the old Celica coupe and you are on the right track. Think of it as a tyre smoking oversteering beast and you are going to be sorely disappointed. If that is your bag, save extra pennies and go for the Nissan 370z (and the fuel costs that go with it) or the chunky but ugly (but brilliant) 1M Coupe. A used Cayman is another viable. Different beast altogether.

I reckon the least you should do it take a test drive. Personally, I really liked it, but would rather spend the money on something quicker from the used market. If I where buying new at that money it would certainly be at the top of my list.

Chris

Are you Chris Harris by any chance??

I've just watched a YouTube vid about it and he says more or less what you've said!!

He does say that it's one of the best new cars he's driven.

Very, very good car!

Everyone harps on about how it "only" had 200bhp, but the car isn't about straight line performance (which is actually quite good, despite what the numbers say). The engine has adequate low down urge and feels like it can carry on forever at the top end.

Compared to any turbo car it will feel slow as it's naturally aspirated, and the power and torque builds in a linear fashion, with out the on-boost "kick in the back" that many of us are used to.

As it stands, it's an ok price for a sports car. If it was closer to £20,000, then it would be a lot better.

Sounds like someone has been watching this;

I've had the opportunity to drive one. It is slow, it doesn't just feel slow, but it is very direct to drive. Not powerful enough to have any proper fun in really, and a lot slower than my 185hp RWD Merc. I wouldn't take the 197bhp claimed figure too seriously. Looks great outside, ticks a lot of boxes on paper, but the ergonomics and cosmetics let it down a lot inside.

200 bhp is loads of car to drive and enjoy..

It is a nice small car and not too heavy. But if it is going to look like a Tarts Handbag it should be fun to drive & not need advanced drivers skills and abilities to hussle along IMO.

Professional Road Testers views/opinions & potential customers road testing views are all good and well.

Drivers speaking about TC off, and hanging the back end out is great if you want a Track car.

UK National speed limit is 60 & 70 MPH, its nice to get a good handling car at those speeds and one you can take to the track.

It is the opinions and views of people that have spent their own money that is going to matter in the long run.

How many are ordered and delivered now to people that drive them and live with them.

The Dealers are going to have to get cars available to real potential buyers.

The Subaru Dealers i spoke to were not keen for try before you buy.

Happy to give a 'XV' away for a day or weekend to try tho. Desperate to get them shifted.

& offers just now on New Impreza hatch or saloons

I pay no attention to Media & Professional road testers views and opinions.

Now if they actually buy the car they blow about with their own cash/money i might start to listen.

If they keep it and love it, & i know they have no relationship with the manufacturer, i will really listen.

Just go drive one yourself if you can and will be looking to possibly buy.

'They'! say the BRZ & the GT86 are very different cars.

I look forward to getting the chance to drive a BRZ Automatic.

I might like it better than the Toyota.

george

I may well have bought one.......

I may well have bought one.......

<< jealous

It's a very tempting buy in a year or two. Lots complaining it's slow are missing the point. Power in even bog standard cars has gone nuts lately. It was only 10 years ago a Ferrari 360 came with "only" 400bhp and yet now you can buy hot hatches with 300bhp+ and with a litle bit of tuning even more. In some ways we've been spoilt.

This is a car that you enjoy to drive and feels good. As Babs said if it was 18-20k then it would have been perfect. No doubt since it's a Subaru boxer engine there's plenty of mods about for it even without going turbo. No doubt there will be a TRD version along soon we could buy also, perhaps supercharged.

As for the auto box then yeah loads have said they've been crap but the manual is very good.

http://www.tune86.co...s-parts-catalog

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hotter-gt86-confirmed-uk-sales

Amazing car, i have had the pleasure of using one for 3 days as i am a toyota technican and used it to go to our training facility. I thought i would hate it but within 30 seconds loved it and didnt want to get back into my fabia vrs. We have sold a few now and people seem really keen on them.

Suspension much better than subaru and drives much nicer too. Trd version out in january no real engine mods only 10bhp more apparantly and body upgrades. Ours has got alot quicker now it has 2000 miles on the clock. When i pdi'd i didnt like it, but once worn in and on the motorway a proper bit of kit!

I must add we are brain washed when trained on new models!!

TRD will be even more money, then? Already it's a bit too much :(

Yeah the trd version will be around £40k which i think is way too much but i suppose time will tell on price and how it will sell! We have alot of our celica customers keen on the gt86 so hopefully it will take off well :-)

I'm certainly keen on it

Yeah the trd version will be around £40k which i think is way too much but i suppose time will tell on price and how it will sell! We have alot of our celica customers keen on the gt86 so hopefully it will take off well :-)

What's the room like in the back seats?

I've not seen one in the flesh, would it accommodate an adult?

I remember all the excitement prior to the launch of the Mazda RX-8 a few years ago.

Look at how that turned out.