Just finished work and gave the new car some beans , used the tiptronic setting and used the paddles for the whole ten mile journey . Mixture of fast flowing bends and tight corners into roundabouts ..... Awesome fun late braking and downshifting using paddles brings on the grin!! As for the mpg ..... Who cares !

Just thought I'd share before the grin fades ..... Until tomorrow at 0300 hrs ????????

You cant beat paddles on the twisty roads. Can keep both hands on the wheel yet have full control over gear shifts. Superb.

I actually use the paddles a lot on back roads even when not pressing on as i just prefer to know what gear i will be in when i exit a corner as sometimes in "D" mode it can change down as you accelerate out of a bend.

All good though and "D" mode is perfect for the town dawdle. Bets gearbox i have ever had and i love having the paddles.

I still have yet to even drive a car with DSG! :(

I still have yet to even drive a car with DSG! :(

I had a drive of another Brisky member's Fabia MK2 vRS. Loved it.

Would seriously consider a DSG for the next car.

Phil

Never thought I'd have an auto, but since the DSG cant see me going back anytime soon.

Never thought I'd have an auto, but since the DSG cant see me going back anytime soon.

+1. Brilliant and very clever piece of kit! Double clutch is the future of gearboxes.

+1. Brilliant and very clever piece of kit! Double clutch is the future of gearboxes.

What i cant understand is why CVT boxes arent so popular as they are the most efficient gearbox set up you can possibly have as the engine is always at the optimum revs for either economy or performance. I tried one and i thought it was good. Not sure how much torque they can handle but they only seem to get used on hybrids and lower powered vehicles. I wouldnt have an issue having one as they can still mimick a traditional gearbox i.e have 6 or 7 distinct gear ratios that can be controlled with paddles and then only operate in the variable format in full auto mode. Win win as far as i can see.

Edited 7 December, 201213 yr by Jockdooshbag

What i cant understand is why CVT boxes arent so popular as they are the most efficient gearbox set up you can possibly have as the engine is always at the optimum revs for either economy or performance. I tried one and i thought it was good. Not sure how much torque they can handle but they only seem to get used on hybrids and lower powered vehicles. I wouldnt have an issue having one as they can still mimick a traditional gearbox i.e have 6 or 7 distinct gear ratios that can be controlled with paddles and then only operate in the variable format in full auto mode. Win win as far as i can see.

I think it's a perception thing. I hate the feel of CVT boxes. One of the reasons I chose the Yeti over the Tiguan is the Yeti has 6 speed DSG and the Tiguan has the 7. I didn't like the electric feel of the 7 speed. I'm just too used to feeling the car rev up and then change. CVT also feel disconnected. People who drive hybrids are more worried about how much fuel the car uses than how it feels when you are chucking it around a corner or how it feels compared to the old manual they used to drive.

Happy Days.

Great thread!!

The DSG is an amazing box, it's what made me buy the car.

I've only got a 1.6CR, the engine/box combination makes the car far more pleasurable and nippier to drive than my previous car, a Civic 1.8ES with that awfull i-drive gear box.

Regards all

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Well I'm glad people like the dsg as well , I have a week off after tonight and an run in blackline ( 850miles is enough) ..... So now play time after all it what the car was built for .... And D drive when the family is with me !

Well I'm glad people like the dsg as well , I have a week off after tonight and an run in blackline ( 850miles is enough) ..... So now play time after all it what the car was built for .... And D drive when the family is with me !

Oops iphone issue above ... Apologies ????

Have a good week ;-)

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have to say we love our VRS with DSG was not sure to start with but now it's awesome.

Edited 7 December, 201213 yr by diveslob

I'm certainly enjoying my DSG since I collected the car 2 weeks ago.

I do find that it seems a little "unsure" when driving conservatively or in traffic, where it tends to change up & down unnecessarily quite a bit and sometimes hesitates between gears too. If driven a little harder the gear changes get much more smooth. Unfortunately for me, the school run for my 2 kids entails going up two very steep hills in traffic. I haven't quite figured it out yet, but it really feels like the DSG box is riding the clutch nearly all the time when going slowly uphill, where I would have sat in 2nd gear with no clutch in my manual Fabia vRS at the same speeds.

Having said all that, I do agree that driving with the paddles away from a junction or on the twisties is great fun and surprisingly smooth

Interesting thread this.

I never tried a DSG box when I ordered my Blackline because the dealer recommended manual for a CR (there was both on the system in all 3 colours when I ordered mine so it wasn't a recommend what's available to get the sale ploy) so I'll have to wait until 'next time'

Interesting comment on previous thread about DSG's being the most efficient- how come the emmissions are higher and MPG lower then than the manual equivelent on a Blackline or am I missing something as usual. CO2 on manual is 149, DSG 159. official combined cycle 49.6 manual 47.1 DSG

Great to hear you're all having fun though... Gave mine a bit more of an airing this week... not full chat but building up to it ... out of roundabouts it bl**dy stunning. I'll just have to put up with the £135 VED a bit longer........ :love:

I agree, I absolutely love my DSG box! I love how you can be cruising along, and still drop the gears while your foot is on the accelerator ready for warp speed!

Day to day driving is calm and relaxing, I really appreciate this during my commute to work because it has helped me avoid getting road rage...I'm sure it's down to when I was in a manual the revs, and anger would rise at the same time!

My box was a little wafty and lazy on set off until I did a reset (although this could be phycological!) When you turn the ignition half way so your speedo does the sweep/ radio / climate comes on... then hold down the pedal til you feel it push in a little further for approx 20 seconds? Now it drives like it's always ready!

It's a little wheel spin happy setting off so I'm not sure how good launch control would be if it's already a little jittery on an enthusiastic take off! I'm also a little scared to use it as knowing me I'll break something...

Motorways it's a dream, and in the twisties like the OP said you can just blip the gears down or up as you wish and you've got instant power!

I am still getting used to not having a feeling of gear change sometimes, you know when you brace yourself for a change and nothing happens but the gear indicator already says your in a higher gear? I've never driven anything as refined as my vRS either, even with the 18's it's super smooth and quiet..apart from when you rev it!!!

I love my TSI vRS DSG!

I too love my DSG. Can't speak highly enough of it....and I don't even have paddles!

Interesting comment on previous thread about DSG's being the most efficient- how come the emmissions are higher and MPG lower then than the manual equivelent on a Blackline or am I missing something as usual. CO2 on manual is 149, DSG 159. official combined cycle 49.6 manual 47.1 DSG

You're right about emissions/economy on the 6 speed wet clutch DSG as used in the diesels. I think some of the 7 speed dry clutch DSG's used on some of the smaller petrol engines are actually more economical than their manual counterparts. However the 7 speed dry clutch unit has a relatively low upper torque limit, so can't for the moment be used on the diesels or high powered petrols.

Edited 7 December, 201213 yr by booke23

I too love my DSG. Can't speak highly enough of it....and I don't even have paddles!

You're right about emissions/economy on the 6 speed wet clutch DSG as used in the diesels. I think some of the 7 speed dry clutch DSG's used on some of the smaller petrol engines are actually more economical than their manual counterparts. However the 7 speed dry clutch unit has a relatively low upper torque limit, so can't for the moment be used on the diesels or high powered petrols.

Cheers for the info on wet/dry DSGs. Having Red or White vRS TSI owners telling me they had the best colour, best engine AND most efficient gear box would be just too much.... LOL

Ade

Nissan had a CVT which also went into 6 speed tiptronic mode. They used less fuel than a conventional torque converter auto, but still used more than a manual gearbox.

See while a CVT can keep the engine in it's most efficient point, it's still a less efficient box with more internal drag than a manual gearbox. Same with DSG. The CVT's likely gained ~3% fuel economy by keeping the engine revs in the right place, but still lost ~10% internally over a manual. Still a net less.

The 6 speed wet clutch DSG is in the same boat, the internal losses (running internal pumps, actuators etc) make it less efficient than a manual. The 7sp dry clutch DSG beats a 5sp manual on a euro fuel consumption test, but IMO this is due to 7sp vs 5sp and a tightly controlled shift schedule. It is still a less efficient box than a manual, the power to run those actuators comes from your fuel tank.

The CVT used in the Prius is a type that only works because of the electric motor. You've got a planetary with the IC engine on one input and the electric motor on the other. The electric motor varies it's speed to change the output. Stop the electric motor and you've only got one gear. Not workable in a conventional car unfortunately. But tractors use a similar setup, with a hydraulic motor instead of electric for the speed control. Fine for plowing, but not for open road speeds.

I love my DSG (dry 7). Easily the best gearbox I've ever driven. It swaps cogs like a babys bottom on pink clouds made of silk without wasting power and fuel. I see no reason to go back.

But nothing's perfect. It's obviously tuned for fuel economy, always grabbing the highest possible gear. It even sits in 6th and 7th gear at like 1100-1200rpm while puttering around town. The TSI can handle it surprisingly well (and it instantly drops a cog or two if you need to) but it does vibrate a bit like all engines do when they're being lugged at low revs in high gears. I wish it'd wait a little longer before selecting 6th and 7th. This is a programming issue though, and not an inherent DSG problem.

Also, I still find parking etc to be easier in a conventional automatic. The DSG tries to simulate one by slipping the clutch when you let go of the brake (allows you to control the amount of slip by feathering the brake pedal), but I still prefer an automatic that's "in gear" all the time. An automatic is also slightly quicker off the line when the light turns green because it starts rolling when you let go of the brake, instead of taking a second to lift the clutch for you. And if you're too rough with the throttle from a standstill, a DSG will dump the clutch and chirp the tyres whereas a normal auto wouldn't. Took a couple of days learning the correct throttle dosage.

DSG in manual mode on twisty windy roads = mega grin & stupendous fun!!!

Didn't get the second run home from work with the fun angle as I finished early and too much traffic around so used the D mode ....... Week off now so hunting twisty roads out

Meh, Australia doesn't have any twisty windy roads. Don't they put corners into Aussie roads to keep people awake?

Totally agree with all the comments above, the VRS with DSG just oozes quality, it makes it feel a different class to the cars I've had before. The performance it provides is impressive too, I don't think anything is lost. The extra £1000 on my Blackline was worth every penny. I had never driven an auto before, but now with my DSG I don't think I will be returning to a manual in the foreseeable future.