Someone put me out of my misery!

[ColinD]

I have the 170 manual 4x4 in a superb platform.

The auto or manual debate is well rounded above, you want an auto. So did I.

I may of missed it, but do you want/need 4x4?

I was commuting to Manchester over the peak district daily when I swapped to mine, I wanted the 4x4 option, not getting into work wasn't really high on my agenda.

I paid the price for it over a dsg superb and paid daily in fuel economy, 70 on the motorway under cruise I get around 45... anywhere else, it's less, but I'm not known for taking it easy; except on straights and m-ways... Also the superb is big, so takes more to get her going, and stopping, shame I like b roads so much.

You also pay a small performance hit on flat out, which only applies when overtaking in short spaces or on a track, but you can get out of a corner faster blah blah. Maybe twice in 10years I've found the 4x4 in the dry to be handy, both times I was probably well into the red zone for being in control for a public highway.

Mine stock, felt similar to a FWD 140 in the dry, remapped, a 170 FWD in the dry. Thankfully it's not a dry country, so I get the grip more often than not. Just wish (I know you can now) get the 1704x4, that would be a nice safe overtaking car.

I went from a 90hp citroen xantia est to a 150hp Primera GT , a 4x4 1.8t 210 Octy into a 220hp 1.8T vRS to a 1.9 109hp Roomster, it was a step down. But you know I had a lot of fun in the roomster making it smooth and therefore equally as swift. Certainly around Wales where NSL's are enforced. Where I noticed it the most was overtaking, gone were the opportunities I once had, had to think more about it. I jumped up to the superb, for my back and commute. 80miles day was knackering in the fun but not comfortable for me roomster. The superb, I drove to cornwall (6hours) and didn't feel like I'd done it, till I filled it up.

Hope the above helps in some way.

[Gizmo]

0 - 60 times may not be relevant for driving on the road, BUT they do prove a good comparison between two vehicles.

I test drove the a140CR (manual) Yeti and no it was not slow, but it did not have the required drive I was after (coming from a PD130 Superb), next up was the 170CR DSG Superb, the engine felt better (not perfect) BUT the DSG in that car was shocking, jerking when going into drive (both in1st and reverse) and not impressing me one bit.

In the Fabia vRS we drove the DSG box was faultless and we seriously considered one, the DSG in the Golf again left us underwhelmed, it has the potential of being a great box, it is not yet there IMO, if I did lots of town driving then I would probably buy one, fortunately I do very little driving in heavy traffic so I am more than happy with the manual box.

If I ever owned a DSG then it would always be under warranty, they cost far too much to repair when the mechatronic packs in (about 10% of VAG DSG’s are effected) this becomes just an inconvenience when it’s under warranty, if you had to pay the £1.5K repair cost yourself though then that is a different story.

I know you have your dislike of remapped cars for your own reasons, but I regularly drive a Shark Performance remapped 170CR and std 170CR, despite the remapped car being much heavier than the std car, it pulls sooooo much nicer throughout the whole of the rev range, it’s not about 0 - 60, it’s all about the whole driving experience.

[900000]

As many others have said I will never go back to a manual. Being as greedy as most other humans, I'd love a 170 DSG too, but in the real world, day to day you honestly will only need those extra horses what, say 2 or 3% of the time? If that? For the other 98% of the time the DSG makes the car utterly, utterly effortless and calming to drive. Long distance, cruise control on, in town, over mountains, fully loaded, one up and empty - it does not matter. For 98% of the time that DSG will give you utter joy and be totally useful where as the 30 extra horses will very seldom give you the same level of usefullness.

The standard 140 DSG is no slouch. The CR makes it feel languid and there is not remotely the punch you get from a CR diesel but look in your rearview mirror and boy you can easily leave most behind with "only" 140 horses. Powerful cars in my book are not about 0-60 par se, but about having ample reserve power to overtake safely or get you out of trouble when needed. A 140 has that in spades. A 170 more so granted, but not that much more like the difference between a 2CV and a BMW M3 would be.

Scottpcs you seem to be going along the lines that the DSG won't be as much fun as the 170 manual when you want some fun... I totally disagree. For the 1% of the time I want to treat my car as a GTI and throw it around some country lanes, the DSG in S or even Tiptronic mode can put a smile on your face you won't believe. AND whilst doing it BOTH your hands are on the steering wheel where they belong. A Yeti is an astonishing GTI, as a week on some amazing driving roads in Wales showed me last year. Would I have had more fun in a 170? I don't think so. I'm not saying I had had more fun in my DSG, nope. Just that you won't have any less fun and on some levels I felt safer as both my hands were on the steering wheel at all times.

I think you need to make a list with percentages of when the 30 horses will be used against when the DSG will be used and enjoyed... Like me, I think you'll find the DSG will win that list by some margin.

[fuzzybunny]

DSG is great but I wouldnt bother with it as mpg suffers, rather spend the money on the extra poke and bigger brakes of the 170.

If I did lots of town driving I might have been tempted by the DSG though.

[MCAMRA]

The 170bhp Yeti is not available with a DSG.

The 140bhp Yeti is available with a DSG.

That is your choice !!!

As I understand it, its the same blo*dy engine. Remap the 140 DSG to make it feel like a Ferrari (LOL)...if you feel the need for speed !!!!!!! ......but make sure you wear a brown paper bag over your head when driving it to be sure that nobody knows you that are driving a sub standard Yeti. God almighty if the neighbours found out.

Please, please make a decision....and stop implying that any Yeti below a 170bhp is below quality, less of a car, not worthy you are scum if you drive anything less...because if you think this you have really missed the point of the Yeti.

[Freshacre]

As I understand it, its the same blo*dy engine.

No, it isn't!

From the readings from the Book of Yeti in the Bible according to The Plumber, the 140 engine is the same as the 110 bhp version, and the 170 is a different beast entirely.

Quite what that difference is I'm sure that he'll be along to clarify very shortly, and will explain to everyone's satisfaction.

[Brijo]

.....which is the better choice, 140 DSG or 170 manual? .....

Yes.

[hmibennett]

Yes, make a b****y decision! While Macamra may be displaying too much impatience with your endless vacillation, I do sympathise with him. It would seem that the 'kudos' of driving a car with the most powerful available engine is important to you. Can't really see why, but if so - just buy it!

[Truthseeker]

I have stayed of this thread up till now, but felt I must comment.

I totally agree with Macamra and hmibennett. There is no decision to make. You have the L&K on order, the engine/gearbox you wanted (not wan't) does not exist, so please, please, please just enjoy the L&K on order and stop keep asking the rest of us for our opinion. When I order a car it is my decision and mine only (maybe the wife can have some input). I hate to think what your poor wife must go through when you are choosing new furniture etc.

Anyway, I will wait for the inevitable reply.

[scottpcs]

The 170bhp Yeti is not available with a DSG.

The 140bhp Yeti is available with a DSG.

That is your choice !!!

As I understand it, its the same blo*dy engine. Remap the 140 DSG to make it feel like a Ferrari (LOL)...if you feel the need for speed !!!!!!! ......but make sure you wear a brown paper bag over your head when driving it to be sure that nobody knows you that are driving a sub standard Yeti. God almighty if the neighbours found out.

Please, please make a decision....and stop implying that any Yeti below a 170bhp is below quality, less of a car, not worthy you are scum if you drive anything less...because if you think this you have really missed the point of the Yeti.

Yes, make a b****y decision! While Macamra may be displaying too much impatience with your endless vacillation, I do sympathise with him. It would seem that the 'kudos' of driving a car with the most powerful available engine is important to you. Can't really see why, but if so - just buy it!

I have stayed of this thread up till now, but felt I must comment.

I totally agree with Macamra and hmibennett. There is no decision to make. You have the L&K on order, the engine/gearbox you wanted (not wan't) does not exist, so please, please, please just enjoy the L&K on order and stop keep asking the rest of us for our opinion. When I order a car it is my decision and mine only (maybe the wife can have some input). I hate to think what your poor wife must go through when you are choosing new furniture etc.

Anyway, I will wait for the inevitable reply.

OK OK!! Message received loud and clear!!

Firstly, however, for the information of certain individuals, I have not repeatedly asked for opinions on this since I started the thread but I have contributed throughout as part of a healthy discussion. Secondly, please don't make this personal, I'm not into tit for tat.

This was meant to be a thread about a genuine dilemma about a simple choice - faster engine or automatic gearbox, end of. I ordered the only engine available with a DSG gearbox but that doesn't mean I was 100% happy with that choice. Ever since, I've agonised over whether I should've gone for the faster engine and forsaken the gearbox but we're going over the same ground here again and again.

For the purposes of both this thread and everyone's sanity, decision is made. We (I'll!) stick with the 140 DSG that's on order.

It's got nothing at all to do with 'kudos' as you put it hmibennett, it's to do with my personal preferences and what I want. I couldn't care less if it said 'mine's bigger than yours' on the back of the car, it's what's under the bonnet and what matters to me that counts. If it was down to the 'kudos' of driving the most powerful car, I'd have gone straight for the 170 without consideration.

Thanks for all the contributions, I can't thank you all individually but there have been some very good points of view raised that's helped me make my final decision once and for all.

[Truthseeker]

Well thank God that's sorted then!

[Skoda Al Coda]

I'm too new to this forum to have sussed out the 'caring nature' of the other forum members yet but, if they're anything like most of my 'friends', you do realise that you're now going to be hearing:

"SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE 170 :moon: "

For the rest of your born days?

[scottpcs]

I'm too new to this forum to have sussed out the 'caring nature' of the other forum members yet but, if they're anything like most of my 'friends', you do realise that you're now going to be hearing:

"SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE 170 :moon: "

For the rest of your born days?

You're probably right mate, most likely preceded by:

"LOOK AT THE PLEB IN HIS 140, WHAT A LOSER!"

Honestly, I don't have the time for such petty things, as I alluded to in my last post. As for the 'caring nature'... yeah...!

[Llanigraham]

I'm too new to this forum to have sussed out the 'caring nature' of the other forum members yet but, if they're anything like most of my 'friends', you do realise that you're now going to be hearing:

BIG POWER, LITTLE RICHARD!!

For the rest of your born days?

Editted for accuracy......................

and I've sent myself to the Corner!!

Scott,

It's called BANTER!!

[scottpcs]

Editted for accuracy......................

and I've sent myself to the Corner!!

Scott,

It's called BANTER!!

I know the difference between banter and having a go - a very fine line at times. One or two people need to think before they speak, that's all I'm saying on the matter.

To be fair I've spent more than enough of my time weighing up the two choices and in the end just decided that it's not worth losing any sleep over.

Your edit did make me smile though!

[Llanigraham]

Your edit did make me smile though!

Thank you.

Can I come out of the Corner then?

[scottpcs]

Thank you.

Can I come out of the Corner then?

Yes you may... I suppose!

[wakev]

Thank you.

Can I come out of the Corner then?

WHY no beer left

[Llanigraham]

Yes you may... I suppose!

Thank you Sire!!

WHY no beer left

No, some bugger's drunk it all!!

[Freshacre]

Editted for accuracy......................

Graham, pedant from the Epynt here....

It's spelt "edited" - with a single tee (as in 'tee-hee'!)

Edited 25 February, 2013 by Freshacre

[wakev]

No, some bugger's drunk it all!!

BOB

[Llanigraham]

Graham, pedant from the Epynt here....

It's spelt "edited" - with a single tee (as in 'tee-hee'!)

Sorry, but half a bottle of white lunch time.............................

[Gnomeface]

My normal drive is a Jag V6 diesel automatic, augmented slightly to around 310 bhp and nearly 700 Nm torque, so when it came to buying a Yeti for Mrs Gnomeface I didn't expect to enjoy it much. She had a preference for automatic, despite her other car being a Mazda MX-5 S 6-speed manual, and 4 wheel drive would be good if it could revert to 2WD for most driving.

We bought a DSG 140 4x4 Elegance and I actually found myself enjoying driving it! The DSG is so smooth and quick at shifting gears that the traffic lights GP is no great concern (particularly in the wet) - you just plant your foot on the floor and let the DSG do its work. Cruising on motorways at 80 is relaxed, with enough power to accelerate past CLODs (Centre Lane Owner Drivers) without holding up the reps in their Audis and BMWs. OK, I miss the sub 6-second sprint to 60 that I'm used to but there are few occasions to indulge it, and the regular journey between Devon and the Midlands takes only 10-15 minutes longer in the Yeti. I normally go for the maximum power option available for my price, but neither of us would wish to go back to a manual, even for 30 bhp extra.

[fuzzybunny]

I've had a 140 and a 170.

the 140 is not slow at all its a cracking engine.

the 170 is just that bit faster and has superior brakes so went for that option on my second yeti.

[Devil's Chariot]

you are right, sometimes I have to get out of my under powered 140 4x4 and push it up hills myself. Really frustrating !!!

n'importe quoi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes quite exhausting pushing mine up those Alpine mountain roads with 3 other POB, plus roof softbox and a boot full of stuff

TP

Shame I haven't got a picture of my (so called) underpowered 140 4x4 towing a 1300kg caravan around the hills of Mid Wales whilst keeping to the speed limits and not holding anyone up.

:giggle:

Mightn't it seem a bit picky to be worried about power and speed - and then consumption (plus/minus 5mpg?), in the same equation :think: ? JMO

Just to clarify - I didn't say it was slow; I said IMHO the 140 was underpowered and this was borne out by the consumption figures cf the 170. All over the same routes at the same time of year and no I'm not a boy racer (borne out maybe by the fact I used to get 60+mpg on the same routes etc out of my Passat that was quoted as doing 48mpg). As I said in my last post - it takes all sorts; it is just the 140 did not suit my requirements. Thank you and goodhinght