Was comming down a country road from Buxton to Sheffield today, being followed by an ST 220, was keeping up with me with no problem, wanting to get past (could tell by his attitude...) came to a left bend (I know the road v.well) exit speed about 20 mph... clear view (60mph road) , so I floored it to see the comparison, he floored too, didn't move to overtake, cause we stayed exactly level , could tell he wanted to though (to about 65 mph) !!

Is this a good result for furby vs mondeo 220 ?!

Was comming down a country road from Buxton to Sheffield today' date=' being followed by an ST 220, was keeping up with me with no problem, wanting to get past (could tell by his attitude...) came to a left bend (I know the road v.well) exit speed about 20 mph... clear view (60mph road) , so I floored it to see the comparison, he floored too, didn't move to overtake, cause we stayed exactly level , could tell he wanted to though (to about 65 mph) !!

Is this a good result for furby vs mondeo 220 ?![/quote']

He probably couldn't have got past with both cars on 100% - would have needed you to back off a bit to execute a safe overtake. He was probably on about 60% whilst trying to figure why the furby was moving so quick.

Thats what I thought... I certainly wasn't pulling away from him..... but I thought "I bet he's thinking 'bloody hell I can't take that Skoda!' lol...")

The ST220 should "wee" all over the vRS Fabia in reality, having 90 more BHP, but whether its safe to do that in certain curcumstances is another matter. I've kept some very quick cars behind me before, but only because of the road conditions. Come a nice bit of straight they soon FLY by.

A collegue and friend of mine, John, has a ST220, I used to have a V6 Mondeo and John was so impressed with mine he bought himself a 2.5V6 and then traded up to the ST220.

It does go well at "Normal" speeds but what really impressed me was how fast it could pile on speed above 70mph. From 70mph to 140mph it would have eaten my old Scooby.

The Mondeo is a heavy old thing but it looks like Ford did a good job on the aerodynamics.

Cheers

Lee

Yep \2 says it all really....hence you can't fly past other cars sometimes...

As I said the other day, I've changed tach in Scotland for overtaking now. Go for it on the braking...but only with caravans as they have to brake far sooner than a car with track pads all around.

Traction out of bend, the required pace to pass somebody is far more once past 60 ish + plod might be waiting...well it's my reason anyway

ST220 is nice

It would be the same for many behind you, even a scoobie to a certain extent. Despite less power Ian found many occasions that the scoobie took so long to spool up the avg pace worked out about the same, meaning a 220 octy could quite happily keep up with a ppp's wrx on b road runs, passing it is another matter all together..

On the same subject I followed another workmate home a few years ago, he overtook a van on a single lane road and I followed him through. After the overtake he pulled in and I stayed out to overtake him.

I expected to fly by but he kept his foot buried and it took a fair amount of road to get by him.

I was in a 260bhp Scooby and he was in a Vauxhall Cavilier 2 litre Auto. :eek:

When two cars both have thier foot down at high speed it takes a lot of road to get by even if there is a big difference in performance of the two cars.

Cheers

Lee

The Mondeo ST220 (3.0 V6) and Fabia vRS both accelarate from 30 to 70 in almost exactly the same time - approx 11.5 secs, in fact the vRS is fractionally quicker.

The Mondeo may have 217 BHP but it only has 203 Ib.FT of torque and weighs over a fifth of a ton more.

The Mondeo being a petrol is typically fast 0-60, but the in gear acceleration is nothing amazing. It would also possibly run out of fuel whilst overtaking

Drove a 220, and felt a little let down by it to be honest, my Octy has way more "uesable" power, and from what l read in here, useable power is the strong point of the Furby, so if the 220 was not being driven at 100%, then u would have no prob stayin ahead from my test drive

The Mondeo ST220 (3.0 V6) and Fabia vRS both accelarate from 30 to 70 in almost exactly the same time - approx 11.5 secs' date=' in fact the vRS is fractionally quicker.

The Mondeo may have 217 BHP but it only has 203 Ib.FT of torque and weighs over a fifth of a ton more.

The Mondeo being a petrol is typically fast 0-60, but the in gear acceleration is nothing amazing. It would also possibly run out of fuel whilst overtaking [/quote']

That figure is taken for an in gear time though. 30-70 is usually taken in fourth or fifth gear.

If the Mondeo driver was going for it he could probably do 30-70mph in second and the time would be no where near 11.5 seconds.

The ST220 is a 150+mph car, at higher speeds it is very quick.

Cheers

Lee

I was follwoed by an ST220 for about 2 miles, I could see this car behind overtaking at every oportunity untill it sat on my bumper. i gave a few blips just to get his interest - which it did! in fact it was winding this guy up.

Anyway to the point, we approached roudabout which the other side turns into a dual carriageway.

He was so eager to pass that I let him just come level with my rear bumper and then let him have it 2nd to 3rd 90mph put 3 car lengths between us

I then came off the gas and hew flew by with all occupants in his car turning heads and thinking WTF is that!

As previously stated in the thread when moving at 80mph+ a lot more road is needed when playing with higher powered cars.

Played with a Nissan 200sx the other day, he pulled over at 120mph(private road) and let me pass but it was a close run thing - his exhaust was the size of a dustbin! So it must have been tweaked.

Still a sh!tty Ford Mondeo though

Most cars would go past a (standard) Furby vRS at 3 digit speeds due to the shape. It is not exactly aerodynamic. My old R21 (less power, only 90bhp) would get up to speed a lot more easily at those figures and continue pulling too.

The St220 is pretty darn fast though, and as it's a petrol, will eat a Furby if kept in the RIGHT gear, well-up in the rev-range.

I'm afraid I have never bought into the 'Furby eats XXX' where 'XXX' is some high-powered turbo-d up petrol. It will stay level, or fairly close, until the petrol pulls another 2k rpm range through in the same gear, at which point the Furby will start to loose ground. This is on a straight.

In the 'twisties' the Furby has a fairly good chance as you can feed the power in pretty much straight away, and you won't get a massive turbo kick at 4k, you've already changed gears by then

On my way to the garage to sell my Fabia vRS, I had a go at one, and although I was in its slipstream, I kept up to speeds of up to about 100, they probably arent as quick as the power figure suggests, as they weigh well over 1.5 tons.

Having said that, I like them.

Whether it is fast or not fast it is a mighty fine looking car.

Parked my Octavia vRS next to one at a garage.Admittedly a police one,so in livery.

Wheels looked great.Think 18 is standard .Exhausts looked great.The carlooked chunky and solid.

Think the only downside is they drink like George Best (allegedly he drinks)

Nice car all round

Both ST24's and 220s are nowhere near as fast as the BHP figure would suggest. They're heavy, handle quite poorly and are very poorly geared IMHO - when I worked for Ford many moons ago everyone there absolutely hated having to drive the ST24's as they were just thirsty and far too big and wallowy to have fun in.

I nearly ended up getting an ST24 instead of my Golf. On balance, I think I made the right choice, even though the Golf is slower.

What about the newer ST TDCi's?... 155 BHP desiels?... anyone know how quick/slow they are?

Both ST24's and 220s are nowhere near as fast as the BHP figure would suggest. They're heavy, handle quite poorly and are very poorly geared IMHO - when I worked for Ford many moons ago everyone there absolutely hated having to drive the ST24's as they were just thirsty and far too big and wallowy to have fun in.

There is a massive difference between a old shape 2.5 167bhp 5 speed ST24 with 16" rims and a new shape 3.0 220bhp 6 speed ST220 with 18" rims.

I can't believe you think they handle poorly. I find they are of the best handling 4 door saloons on sale and I'll include standard Impreza's and Octavia's in that statement. The ST24 isn't all that firm but is very well balanced for the age of the car, turn is is crisp and steering feel is way ahead of anything VAG produce. The ST220 takes things to a whole new level, the new shape Mondeo handles well even in LX trim and I find the ST220 is a complete joy to drive.

Can I ask if you have ever driven a ST220 Mondeo?

The ST220 is so smooth it's easy to think it's not that fast as a driver or passenger. A few seconds of acceleration in the right gear from 40-50mph and your are well into licence loosing speed without the feel of going that fast.

There is a good thread on scoobynet at the moment how big engined NA cars dont feel as fast as Turbo'd motors as you don't get the shove of the turbo just a linear build up of power. One guy with an STi was dissapointed that the BMW M3 felt slow on his test drive but a look at the speedo said otherwise.

Cheers

Lee

What about the newer ST TDCi's?... 155 BHP desiels?... anyone know how quick/slow they are?

They are quick. 155PS & 400NM standard. Handle suprisingly well.

What about the newer ST TDCi's?... 155 BHP desiels?... anyone know how quick/slow they are?

I haven't been in the ST version but have had a passenger ride in a high specced version of the 2.2, may have been GhiaX or TitaniumX.

The driver didn't really push it but it was smooth and seemd to have a good amount of midrange grunt. It felt to be a quite sluggish off boost though with a massive shove around 1800/2000rpm.

Cheers

Lee

I didn't find it that quick, the rev range was too small (even for a diesel), and it wasn't that economical. Handled very well though.

Oh and I'm talking ST TDCI not ST220

Lol! I've just bought a 130bhp Mk 3 TDCI in Ghia X trim. Handling is sublime - a real driver's car for the driver, but still retaining luxo-barge comfort for the passengers. Engine is far smoother than the PD unit and deceptively quick too, pulling more like a V6 N/A car than an all or nothing turbo car

Ford have come along way in the handling stakes, and as Lee said it's certainly better than the Impreza and a lot of other high performance cars....

Chris

Lol! I've just bought a 130bhp Mk 3 TDCI in Ghia X trim. Chris

Did you see the Dragon Tuning Box video in the recent tuning box thread Chris?

http://www.foundrometers.co.uk/pics/dyno/dyno10_dragon_chip.mpeg

170bhp for a couple of hundred quid isn't bad.

Cheers

Lee

Did you see the Dragon Tuning Box video in the recent tuning box thread Chris?

http://www.foundrometers.co.uk/pics/dyno/dyno10_dragon_chip.mpeg

170bhp for a couple of hundred quid isn't bad.

Cheers

Lee

It's already on the shopping list, mate

Chris