The Scout gets rear parking sensors as standard in the UK.

The sensors are plastic coated to match the bumpers.

Good news.

And bad!

I expect they'll cost a lot more than standard as they are for the Scout only...

Just to add a little bit more info, AFAIK the pre FL cars (Scout and 4x4) are Haldex 2 whilst the FL is Haldex 4.

Appreciate any new (to me) info. Thanks.

I'm pretty set on a CR engine which was late 2010 onwards so will certainly be a FL Scout.

What would be the advantages / disadvantages of a 1.8 Tsi petrol over the 2.0 CR diesel?

I know it has more HP, lower economy, cheaper purchase price, it's harder to come by, has a timing chain (I think), etc., but that's all stuff I can read about. What about in the real world (I'm highly unlikely to be getting a caravan or large trailer to tow).

I've not owned a petrol car since the mid-1990's (and it was an Astra) so have forgotten what it's like. But please don't get into a debate about mileage and economy,etc.

I theink there are differences in minor things like the underbody protection.  My 4x4 TDI has an ally sump guard whereas I think on the petrols this is plastic or not even present.

I thought all Scouts (not the standard 4x4's) had metal under trays front and back with plastic in the middle!

Having done an oil change recently the sump guard on mine is flipping heavy!

Everything else on the underside seems to be plastic though.

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So the regular 4x4 has a metal sumpguard? I'll have to stick my head under and have a look some time.

What would be the advantages / disadvantages of a 1.8 Tsi petrol over the 2.0 CR diesel?

I know it has more HP, lower economy, cheaper purchase price, it's harder to come by, has a timing chain (I think), etc., but that's all stuff I can read about. What about in the real world (I'm highly unlikely to be getting a caravan or large trailer to tow).

I've not owned a petrol car since the mid-1990's (and it was an Astra) so have forgotten what it's like. But please don't get into a debate about mileage and economy,etc.

Advantages of the 1.8 TSi over the petrol in my opinion:

- It has a cam chain not a belt

- The engine is really smooth and has a wider power band

- Cheaper to buy

- lower kerb weight than the diesel

- Its rare

- No DPF to worry about if you are doing low mileage, not that the CR engines tend to suffer with this?

 

Disadvantages

- Worth less when you decide to trade in

- lower MPG

- More expensive road tax

 

 

As a Scout 1.8 owner that only does about 5000 miles a year it was a no brainer for me, also it was about £3.5k to £4k cheaper than diesel Scouts of the same mileage/year at the time I bought it.

So the regular 4x4 has a metal sumpguard? I'll have to stick my head under and have a look some time.

 

The 4x4 make does with a plastic sump guard.

The 4x4 make does with a plastic sump guard.

 

Not all of them.  Having nearly dropped mine on my head, it is metal.

The 4x4 make does with a plastic sump guard.

nope - as I said mine is metal...

I thought all Scouts (not the standard 4x4's) had metal under trays front and back with plastic in the middle!

I'm pretty certain it depends on engine type or at least did with the pre.facelift with the petrols getting plastic and the diesels getting metal

As a Scout 1.8 owner that only does about 5000 miles a year it was a no brainer for me, also it was about £3.5k to £4k cheaper than diesel Scouts of the same mileage/year at the time I bought it.

Thank you for your thoughts. Appreciated.

This is what I'm weighing up as I do about 14k miles each year (and will probably rise with more paddling/climbing/camping/biking trips in the near future.

I have to report my PD scout with two bikes on the back is down to ~7.3 litres/100km.  Same trip with no bikes (and similar loaded to the roof inside) was a hair under 6 litres/100.

Well, I've been under my car (per FL diesel 4x4 - not scout) and it looks like the sump guard is plastic. Well, the under tray is plastic, it does kind of look like there's an aluminium panel behind it though, where the sump is.

Mine has 4 large bolts 2 of which attach to an extra bar which across the engine bay to support it. Then then they are the usual torx bolts along the sides which connect to the rest of the underbody plastic panels. If you don't have the extra bolts then it will be plastic

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I am pretty certain the change from steel to composite sump guard occurred around the facelift. I've driven Scouts with both types.

My petrol scout (1.8 TSI) works well towing the caravan. On a reasonable run achieves about 36mph but with a caravan lucky to get 22mph. Just surprised how low some of the above diesel figures are and I don't hang about.

Otherwise just a bog standard Scout and it seems made just before the face lift.

Now, if only they made an automatic version..........

Is the 1.8 Scout engine the same as the 1.8 TSI used in the Yeti 4x4?

How do they compare?

We parked next to a dirty white Yeti at the Brecon Beacons Visitor Centre this afternoon (didnt look like a Briskodian...) and SWMBO commented that we could do with something like that to avoid scraping the rough tracks & speed bumps (which were quite extreme in Llantwit Major).

Sounds like the go ahead for a L&K Yeti Outdoor to me...

I have (almost) changed my thinking over the petrol / diesel issue and swung towards petrol now.

I know finding the right Scout (or Yeti) with petrol engine will be even harder than a diesel one with the spec I wanted.

Any thoughts on the petrol engine Scout (or Yeti)?

For KBPhoto,

 

The following link is a Review of the Octavia Scout,  The vehicle he is driving is the petrol version.

 

http://www.scotsman.com/motors/reviews/skoda/scout-s-honour-1-2929918

 

HTH,

 

Fin

Is the 1.8 Scout engine the same as the 1.8 TSI used in the Yeti 4x4?

How do they compare?

We parked next to a dirty white Yeti at the Brecon Beacons Visitor Centre this afternoon (didnt look like a Briskodian...) and SWMBO commented that we could do with something like that to avoid scraping the rough tracks & speed bumps (which were quite extreme in Llantwit Major).

Sounds like the go ahead for a L&K Yeti Outdoor to me...

I have (almost) changed my thinking over the petrol / diesel issue and swung towards petrol now.

I know finding the right Scout (or Yeti) with petrol engine will be even harder than a diesel one with the spec I wanted.

Any thoughts on the petrol engine Scout (or Yeti)?

 

I've owned pre-f/l diesel Scout (PD engine) for 4 years and have had a f/l petrol Scout for the last 2 years.  I have to provide a caveat that I've not driven the CR engine, which we all know to be quieter than the PD.

 

I decided on the petrol as I wanted to be secure in the knowledge that, if I kept it for 5 years or longer, I would not have the DPF or timing belt issues to worry about.  It's definitely quicker (through the gears) and much, MUCH quieter / smoother too, though fuel economy is inevitably a good deal different at around 32 MPG average (though I only got 41 MPG in the PD diesel).

 

If you do 15k miles a year AND plan to keep it for no longer than 4 years it's a no brainer - diesel.

 

If you do less than 10k miles a year AND plan to keep it a long time it's a no brainer - petrol.

 

Anywhere in between - as you are at 14k - I'd suggest you carry on your research and try to drive both and let that decide.  To be honest, you can't go too wrong either way - petrol or diesel - if you find the right car for you in the right spec.

 

I'm very, very happy with my choice of 1.8 TSI this time around though.

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Thanks for the link Fin.

Quite a difference in torque between the petrol & diesel. No real surprise I suppose...

We had a 2.0PD pre-FL Scout for 3 years and it was brilliant, then replaced that 18 months ago with a FL 1.8TSI which we now use to tow a caravan and it's just as brilliant. Certainly the fuel consumption towing the 'van is pants (21mpg average I would reckon), but otherwise the car is ideal for our needs. We do about 10k miles a year, and only tend to do short journeys so the DPF thing was a concern, although to be fair we never had those problems in the old Scout. No cambelt to worry about either. Our Scout has the xenons and maxidot with a factory fitted towbar and it's great. I was concerned that the 1.8TSI wouldn't be able to carry as much load as the diesel, especially when loaded up, but in the summer we towed the 'van plus the boot was filled to the rafters and still it coped without problems. I can't compare towing with a diesel Scout as we didn't do that, but I can't see that this would be that much better, except perhaps when the conditions get slippery and you have a bit more low down torque.

 

With regards to the torque thing, I think you may be surprised by the petrol. This engine is so relaxing to drive - you can slip it in to 6th going 40mph and it happily pulls from there without any problems. Obviously if you want to yang it then you can do and the engine just loves to be revved! The lovely thing about the petrol is pulling on to roundabouts and out of junctions when you can keep it in first and get out in to traffic quickly. The old PD would run out of puff too quickly and need to be changed up.

 

Personally I would say try them both and see what you think. We got a 2011 1.8 TSI FL Scout for the same money as a 2009 pre-FL diesel would have cost us at the time, so it was a no brainer for us. With the new mk III-based Scout on the horizon you might be able to pick up some better deals on the diesels, so that might make the decision easier?

Thanks for your thoughts GroundHog. Much appreciated.

I'm not sure the new Scout will effect prices of the MkII's for quite a while yet. Will have to see.

My local dealer had a petrol Scout on the forecourt, but I never got the chance to try it before it sold...

The biggest single factor with diesel/petrol is how many km you do per journey. Not per year.

My average trip would be over 20km. Last weekend it did ~1000km in four sections and will do it again next weekend. I'm not expecting DPF issues any time soon as my trips are long enough at high enough load for the whole exhaust to get up to temperature and burn off soot like it should.

If you do 3-5km trips then any diesel will hate it regardless of DPF or not. The worst thing you can do with a diesel engine is not work it hard and not get it hot. This is why the pickup drivers in the US have so many issues with DPF, EGR and VNT turbos. They are running massively oversized engines (6-7 litres) that never get worked hard and never get hot. They just soot themselves up.

BTW I finally got to take my scout up a ski-field access road. Thing ~12km of steady uphill dirt road switchbacks. It was great fun and it just ate the climb. Had TC lights going on all the corners but always smooth and controlled even while skipping over the top of corrugated corners.