When you see Charge Cooler, and they speak about Turbos, its because the term 'Supercharger' gives the wrong impression.

 

Supercharger is a term less used now, and Superchargers are different from they have been,  Supercharging is not dead by a long shot,

the Term Twincharger, as and example being used, and that can be Super & Turbo or Turbo Turbo.

 

Forced Induction & Charge coolers will become more and more important as weights go down, and capacity, but heat & the need to disapate heat efficiently goes up.  Or even turn heat to energy again.

 

george

Just on the performance of the (v)RS, I wonder if it would have sold more if Skoda (was allowed by VW to*) correctly promote its true acceleration times. Most of us know that in good conditions a stock car will well under 7 seconds to 100km, even as low as 6.5. The official number is 7.3.

 

Whilst in the real world the difference is probably scarcely noticeable, it makes a big difference to the buyer, especially in bang for buck (maybe even bragging) terms. Yes, I know most of us aren't going to use this pace, much less drive at the advertised top speed, but a buyer might like to know it's possible even if he or she never uses it. I mean, given speed limits in Australia, you wouldn't think people would buy high-performance cars, but we have the biggest market for Megane RS models outside France, and there are plenty of Merc and Beemer performance models getting around.

 

There was a 12 month wait for Polo GTI's in Oz when they first came out in 2010. If Skoda had turned up with the Fabia RS around then, claiming a 6.7 0-100, then some of the business may have gone their way. Too late now, though. 

 

* One must not show up VW let alone Audi.

Edited 23 August, 201312 yr by OzFabia

Nail on Head.

 

They do come out quite well when the true figures are shown, and compared properly,

VAG and Kerb Weights first shown on the Seat, VW, & Audi 3 and 5 doors have since been corrected,

showing that actually the vRS is the lightest 5 door from the family of VAG Twinchargers..

 

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/skoda_fabia_rs.html

 

No rocket ship, but value for money nippy 5 door shopper car even without discount.

The Engine and gearbox did deserve better suspension & not just weights bolted to the rear bumper,

for what ever reason.

(not to sand bag it obviously, because it handles just terrible when the weights and spare wheel are absent.. NOT)

Monte Diesels seem to get around corners OK without Weights on the Crash bar and without a spare wheel added.

Lots of people could not care less about having performance motors, and just need something with pace & a limit,

Cars or bikes without limit of speed can just be a temptation too far.

 

Some do not mind other thinking, look at that plonker in a boy racer car,

but would hate to be thought of as look at that, Fast Car small male member in a Porsche.

 

Cars are a life style choice and really nobody elses business.

 

Some People have 'My Other car is a Porsche' on their Polo as a joke,

I know others that are mortified to think someone sees them in a Hyundai when they are a Audi driver normally.

 

Snobbery is a terrible thing really.

Some people with real money feel no need to show others that they have it, No need for ownership of flash cars.

Some just have Business Accounts & Flash Lease cars

& nothing much in their Bank Account if they missed a Months Salary coming in.

 

PS,

Funnily there are drivers of Porsche or Audi or other prestige sports cars that do sometimes decide that they want 

to hand someone their arse.

Does not always happen though.

 

S3 Audis, with 265 bhp, sometimes get there arse handed to them by the less than 190 bhp cheepo cars.

Have you had that experience yet?

Not so fast through the 30-80 bit often, or even on to a few more mph,  embarrassing really sometimes for the driver with the big numbers and Figures on the Brochure.

Grip and Traction is all well and good, not often the deciding factor when you have not got the acceleration.

The lesser car driver can just shug their shoulders and know thats how those faster cars are.

Must be a minter for that person that spent big and thought they would be King of the Road.

 

george

 

PPS,

grrr666,

have you driven a RS 3 yet,?

best not if not done already, it does show where the S3 is a bit of a Lard Arse.

Oh George, you are funny.

In your mind I can't criticise your precious Fabia vRS because

I wasn't daft enough to buy one.

I'm not going to respond to your stupid trolling about what a terrible car

I have bought. I've nothing to prove to you matey.

Since you police the Fabia 2 forum with such vigor springing to the defence

of your funny looking little budget shopping cars I shall leave you to it.

Chalk it up as a victory if you like but to be honest I don't care.

It's hard enough to decipher your weird Yoda like mutterings at the best

of times and I have other things to worry about right now.

So good luck with your funny little car, fingers crossed you have no problems

with yours but I'd not like to bet on that.

All the best, I'm out of here.

Actually i owned a S3 and a vRS at the same time, so have a direct comparison.

Car new for £15,000  (mine was £8,000 & well used) against the well used one for £23,000.

 

Audi good , Skoda good, different, and different costs and economy,

but i do not constantly go on Audi forums to put down Audi and any vehicles short comings,

i do put down Skoda short comings on a Skoda forum.

The difference being i did not Drive a VW Golf or some other types of cars to see how a Fabia drives.

 

We know that money might buy better products, but that does not seem to be were the thread has gone,

it seems to be expecting something that was not what people went and bought, a warm 5 door hatch or estate for not 

much money.

 

george

Can't we all just get along

Can't we all just get along

 

Group hug !!!

Group hug !!!

 

I fear even this small diversion might get into heated arguments as to who plays big spoon and who plays little spoon..............

Well, as many times as I've disagreed with George (and there are many!) I have to say that I can't imagine why would I go to any other car forum other than the one I am really interested in, due to owning that car (or looking to own it) and criticise the car that forum is about! It just doesn't make sense, I didn't buy it, I sure don't want to buy it, so why the h@@@ am I bothering writing how bad I think it is??? Maybe If I had all the free time in the world but otherwise it's crazy really. I can barely be up-to-date with the threads in the Fabia II section, it's hard to imagine I would be talking down in the MKI section, I'm being tired and bored only by thinking about it!

Edited 23 August, 201312 yr by newbie69

Can't we all just get along

I thought this thread started out about the sad end of the Fabia vRS, a thread to show our thoughts on whether it should be dropped or not, a thread to talk of it's pro's and con's and why we love or loathe it as owners. Not for some div who doesn't even own the car to come and tell us things most of us already know and how wonderful a car that's twice the price is . . . 

Is no-one allowed an opinion in the Fabia Mk2 section then?? Especially an opinion on whether a car that isn't even out yet should have a vRS version or not and the possible reasons for why the sales of the vRS have dropped and the sales of the Monte Carlo are high.

It's like being on the Yeti part of the forum!!!

Watch it, MKI boys are coming for backup...

 

 

On a serious note, the debate wasn't about whether a MK3 vRS should be out. The grr666's first comment is:

 

 

Skoda are a bit dumb, they had a winning recipe, then they had to add

a silly gearbox and a twitchy petrol engine to it. 

 

 

Now not only these two were the vRS's most appealing features to begin with, but most importantly I would bet I've heard the same things from the same guy before in mkII related topics. That's what I was talking about.You don't like it, fine but spare as from repeating it all the time. I also consider the MKI vRS a car I would never look at twice but do its owners really care? Or, do they care after I've made it clear once? Guess not... Nothing more to it really but then we have our fanboys allright!   I was seeing it coming...

Edited 23 August, 201312 yr by newbie69

Actually i owned a S3 and a vRS at the same time, so have a direct comparison.

Car new for £15,000  (mine was £8,000 & well used) against the well used one for £23,000.

 

Audi good , Skoda good, different, and different costs and economy,

but i do not constantly go on Audi forums to put down Audi and any vehicles short comings,

i do put down Skoda short comings on a Skoda forum.

The difference being i did not Drive a VW Golf or some other types of cars to see how a Fabia drives.

 

We know that money might buy better products, but that does not seem to be were the thread has gone,

it seems to be expecting something that was not what people went and bought, a warm 5 door hatch or estate for not 

much money.

 

george

hello there just reading this thread i though i put my thoughts to it ,

i part ex  in my vrs for a near as dam it new Audi s3 sportback the two cars are like chalk and cheese my vrs was up to stage 2 ,and i know my audi in standard forM 265 would eat it, all the vrs would do is sit there spinning its wheels by that time the audi is gone , i loved the fabia but to start comparing it with Audis and cars in that price range is a little silly ,build quality is unreal no rattles and quiet  the engine is bullet proof ,and did a long run in the Audi and got 330 out of the tank and thats what i got if less from the stage 2 fab ,got rid of the vrs because i could not trust it anymore had one engine before it was mapped then got rid before the warranty ran out

Not for some div who doesn't even own the car to come and tell us things most of us already know and how wonderful a car that's twice the price is . . .

Not once in this thread have I said my car is better.

You must have an inferiority complex.

I said the Mark 2 didn't do well which is a fact,

I said why I think this happened. After all if it weren't for the success

of Mark 1 there would have been no Mark 2 either.

So something clearly went wrong with the winning formula.

All my comments were then related to why the 'Fabia vRS' product would

be getting dropped in relation to the success (or lack of) of Mark 2

and if they were to give it another chance what Mark 3 would need to offer.

Thats when I wasn't trying to dodge bullets from George who came crashing

through the virtual window like Rambo every time I had the impertinence to

have an opinion on something I didn't buy. I've never bought sanitary towels

either, but I still know they are not for me. I did consider buying one out

of sheer brand loyalty alone when my Mark 1 was sold but couldn't get over

the look of it. So I didn't. I really wanted to like it but just couldn't.

If that makes me ill informed or in your words a div then so be it.

I'm very comfortable in my own skin, so please call me as many names

as it takes to make you feel like a big man, that's usually what people

resort to when they can't construct a valid argument. Bring it on.

Finally, if you're such a Skoda fanboi, then why don't you put your money where your

big fat mouth is and get a freedom membership, like I did even after

I had sold both of my Skodas. I expect they'll accept Euros.

Because as things stand I've done a lot more to keep this site going than

you have, but of course you can change than by putting your hand in your pocket.

If you think you're the first person to take a snipe at me in the 5 years I've

been posting here (all of which as a Freedom member by the way) then go ahead

and think that. But like on so many other things it would seem, you'd be wrong.

i could not trust it anymore had one engine before it was mapped then got rid before the warranty ran out

 

Was your warranty not up the second you mapped it?

hello there just reading this thread i though i put my thoughts to it ,

i part ex  in my vrs for a near as dam it new Audi s3 sportback ]...],build quality is unreal no rattles and quiet  [...]

 

Octavia is said to be rattle-free as well but that's irrelevant. The A1 though is known to be suffering from the exact same annoying rattles the Fabia does as I read in Audi forums, so not a surprise really.

sadhan,

One small point is that when you look at 0-62 times (0-100km) the car with the 0-62 of 5.8 seconds should trash the car with a 0-62 of 7.5.

 

Especially one so bad off the line as a vRS. 

the 262 bhp (265ps) car should mash it.   Thats what happens in a drag.

 

On the road, and moving, it just happens, that very few go from 0- 100 km, more usual is to go on to 200 km or towards that.

Maybe up the road and at 40 mph and boot it.

and keep going.

 

Now personally sitting in my vRS with no rear weights on the crash bar,

but 2 spare wheels, a trolley jack and tools, and 55 litres of petrol,

45 in the tank and 10 in the can.

We weigh 1440 kg on the weigh bridge.

(the Minimum Kerb weight of 1455 kg for a S3 Sportback is fiction, but then its a fast car anyway so no problem there,

so the Min 1515kg Kerb Weight is nothing)

 

The S3 weighs unladen more than that once fueled up and sitting raring to go,

 & on the Weigh scales you get the real weight.

(60 litre tank as well, 330 miles out of 12.5 gallons 26.4 mpg, or even just 11 gallons 30 mpg)

 

So yes 265 ps and AWD blows the doors off 180ps in a drag race. Standing Start.

Give the 180 ps car a little boost with a few extra easily added bhp, and things get closer.

(your Stage 2 must have given a boost surely, over standard.)

Give the S3 a boost and then its back in the Audi's court.

 

Still a lard bucket tho, but good traction mostly.

 

Not always down to pubished figures in a quick trip across country in the dry, 

there is drivers good in Manuals and some that can just not get the car to do the Published official or even the actual times,

But we will go by Published figures and lets forget the real world.

 

(i got my S3 in a part exchange with someone that drove the vRS i had and wanted it more than the S3,

funny old world, he was a bit peed at not getting the ugly car off his jacksy..

Sold the S3, bought another vRS, and had more cash than at the start of the deal.)

 

When paying the likes of £27,000 for a 62 plate S3 Sportback against a vRS that you get £10,000 for,

& its a car that was maybe £15,000 new,  you would certainly hope for a much better car, and a bitty faster.

 

george

Back on topic...

 

I think its a shame there will be no vrs Mk iii, but if its not worth Skoda's effort then fair play to them, its their business.

However, having no road going equivalent to the rally car is a bit stupid.  People will see it and want one too, then find out they can't get one.   

 

I love the looks of the vrs, the engine, the gear box...the whole package you can't beat imho.

 

Maybe having a diesel model alongside would have been good, but we'll never know now!

 

 

I love my vrs even more now knowing its a rare car and a piece of Skoda history.  I'll look back in a few years and be able to say "yes, I owned a fabia vrs and it was an awesome car"

 

On the Octavia subject, its just too big for my needs,  I was going to get one originally, but the fabia made the better choice.

I personally think Skoda were forced into giving the MK2 VRS the twin charged DSG setup by VAG.

3 of their main hot hatches all sharing similar parts sure makes things easier for a large business.

Was it a mistake?

As an owner of one I think not!

I loved my MK1 but I couldn't stand the taxi soundtrack and the high fuel costs for the miles that I do.

The MK2 ticks my boxes and requirements and its a real shame that Skoda are pulling the plug.

I hope they see sense and bring it back with an option of petrol and Derv engines.

Not once in this thread have I said my car is better.

You must have an inferiority complex.

I said the Mark 2 didn't do well which is a fact,

I said why I think this happened. After all if it weren't for the success

of Mark 1 there would have been no Mark 2 either.

So something clearly went wrong with the winning formula.

All my comments were then related to why the 'Fabia vRS' product would

be getting dropped in relation to the success (or lack of) of Mark 2

and if they were to give it another chance what Mark 3 would need to offer.

Thats when I wasn't trying to dodge bullets from George who came crashing

through the virtual window like Rambo every time I had the impertinence to

have an opinion on something I didn't buy. I've never bought sanitary towels

either, but I still know they are not for me. I did consider buying one out

of sheer brand loyalty alone when my Mark 1 was sold but couldn't get over

the look of it. So I didn't. I really wanted to like it but just couldn't.

If that makes me ill informed or in your words a div then so be it.

I'm very comfortable in my own skin, so please call me as many names

as it takes to make you feel like a big man, that's usually what people

resort to when they can't construct a valid argument. Bring it on.

Finally, if you're such a Skoda fanboi, then why don't you put your money where your

big fat mouth is and get a freedom membership, like I did even after

I had sold both of my Skodas. I expect they'll accept Euros.

Because as things stand I've done a lot more to keep this site going than

you have, but of course you can change than by putting your hand in your pocket.

If you think you're the first person to take a snipe at me in the 5 years I've

been posting here (all of which as a Freedom member by the way) then go ahead

and think that. But like on so many other things it would seem, you'd be wrong.

I do apologise if I offended you, I didn't mean to, I just bit on some of the comments I'd seen you write which may have been aimed at one individual but I took it aimed at all with the car.

 

"In your mind I can't criticise your precious Fabia vRS because I wasn't daft enough to buy one.

funny looking little budget shopping cars I shall leave you to it."

"So good luck with your funny little car, fingers crossed you have no problems

with yours but I'd not like to bet on that."

 

I'll leave it at that and wish you well.

 

PS - Freedom purchased, I didn't realise it was a purchaseable membership, I thought it was measured on posts made, thanks for the heads up.

Edited 23 August, 201312 yr by MilgeS

Guys, the fake Porsche letter was a joke. Mainly aimed at diesel in a performance car rather than saying the fabia is in the same league. Take it easy! I thought it might have been funny.

I'd love a carrera's and its on my must own list.

The main reason I chose to go fabia vrs was the auto box - mainly for my work trips to London etc. if it had been a manual I wouldn't have bought it.

If it was diesel + auto then I would still have gone for it.

It's all down to personal choice.

In whatever form, it's a real shame if the bin the fabia vrs.

Rofl

I thought the Rapid section had it bad with a hard dash! lol

Fact - mk2 had a lot to live up to with the mk1, they changed the recipe too much and some didn't like the taste. Marmite, simple as.

The 1.9PD 130 engine couldn't meet Euro 5 and the new 2.0 common rail engines wouldn't fit the Mk2's engine bay in 2007.

 

That meant no diesel Mk2 VRS.

 

The Mk3 will be on the MQB chassis so anything is possible depending on what Skoda want to do.

 

But it might not be all bad news, the idea of the new format is flexibility, so there may well be a "Sport" variant that may include a more powerful diesel and perhaps the new 1.4TSi (Single Turbo) Which is rumored to be available in 140 and 160bhp variants.

And DSG should be an option.

 

So there maybe something for most instead of just a single model that appealed to only a few and then only when it was heavily discounted and thats what the CEO wants.

 

Cheers

Lee

Edited 23 August, 201312 yr by logiclee

160 ps 1.4 TSI not only rumoured it is in the Beetle, Jetta and others with DSG.

140 ps has been for a long time in many models

Now the 140 ps TSI with ACT in the Polo Blue GT with or without DSG & 1.4 tfsi COD in the Audis.

 

george

160 ps 1.4 TSI not only rumoured it is in the Beetle, Jetta and others with DSG.

140 ps has been for a long time in many models

Now the 140 ps TSI with ACT in the Polo Blue GT with or without DSG & 1.4 tfsi COD in the Audis.

 

george

The  160 in the Jetta etc is twin charged. Both autoexpress and autocar have hinted the 1.4tsi 140 with ACT will so be available with 160bhp.

As most 1.6's can now be had with 200bhp getting 160bhp from a single turbo 1.4 shouldnt be that difficult.

The twin charge engine will be dropped from the new models.

 

Cheers

Lee