Is it terminal?

[M12MKD]

Hello all,

After finally getting my dad to join the Skoda ranks, his car has died! (cannot believe it). Currently running vcds but at the moment the immobiliser light is flashing and it will not start. Also the glow plug is flashing. No bangs or smoke before hand. The key feels a little weird in the ignition though light there is not 1,2 or 3 point in it, if that makes sense?

Really hope its nothing terminal any help would be great

Mike

[M12MKD]

VCDS scan results

 

 

 

Chassis Type: 1U - Skoda Octavia I

Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 56 76

 

VIN: TMBHG41UX32736962   Mileage: 216900km/134775miles

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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-012-AGR.lbl

   Part No: 038 906 012 H

   Component:  1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG  3332  

   Coding: 00002

   Shop #: WSC 31480  

   VCID: 152AD05F6F4A80B0E3D

   TMBHG41UX32736962     SKZ7Z0B1661511

 

5 Faults Found:

17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 

            P1570 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent

18062 - Please check DTC Memory of Instrument Cluster 

            P1654 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent

19561 - Valve for Intake Manifold Flap (N239) 

            P3105 - 35-00 - Open or Short to Ground

17957 - Boost Pressure Regulation Valve (N75) 

            P1549 - 35-00 - Open or Short to Ground

17849 - EGR Valve (N18) 

            P1441 - 35-00 - Open Circuit or Short to Ground

Readiness: N/A

 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 907 379 L

   Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0101  

   Coding: 0001025

   Shop #: WSC 31480 000 00000

   VCID: 336E0EC751FE7E80ED9

 

1 Fault Found:

01314 - Engine Control Module 

            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

 

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 909 601 

   Component: 0F AIRBAG VW51      0006  

   Coding: 12358

   Shop #: WSC 31480  

   VCID: DDBA087F57FA18F0EBD

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1U0-920-xxx-17.lbl

   Part No: 1U0 920 911 J

   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V07  

   Coding: 19412

   Shop #: WSC 31480  

   VCID: 366837D3128C6BA8CA7

   TMBHG41UX32736962     SKZ7Z0B1661511

 

2 Faults Found:

01176 - Key 

            07-00 - Signal too Low

01314 - Engine Control Module 

            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

 

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl

   Part No: 6N0 909 901 

   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  

   Coding: 00006

   Shop #: WSC 31480  

   VCID: F0E441CBB068859850B

 

1 Fault Found:

01314 - Engine Control Module 

            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

 

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 959 799 B

   Component: 4Q Komfortgerát HLO 0003  

   Coding: 00259

   Shop #: WSC 31480  

   VCID: 366837D3128C6BA8CA7

 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1U6959802D

   Component: 4Q Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0004  

 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1U6959801D

   Component: 4Q Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0004  

 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1U0959811D

   Component: 4Q Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0009  

 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1U0959812D

   Component: 4Q Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0009  

 

1 Fault Found:

01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System 

            80-10 - Single-Wire Operation - Intermittent

 

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl

   Part No: 1U0 035 161 D

   Component:  Radio GRO         0001   

   Coding: 00407

   Shop #: WSC 31480  

   VCID: 2A5013A3D6343F485EF

 

No fault code found.

 

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[M12MKD]

Also power is no all the time even without key in

[PastyBoy]

Probably dead ignition barrel

The one in my old PD130 Ibiza stopped working and had the same symptoms.

The barrel can't recognise the immobiliser chip in the key so thinks someone is trying to steal it and bangs the immobiliser on.

[M12MKD]

That's what I thought as the key is just turning. But then I thought maybe thats just to simple?

 

I don't suppose you know if its a bummer of a job to change?

[@Lee]

Can you try the spare second key first.

[M12MKD]

Either keys work.

 

Weird thing is that even with the key out everything works. Power still going to car i.e. windows etc. only way to stop it is to disconnect the battery.

 

Remote central locking is also not working now.

[@Lee]

It was just a thought, as placing a key near a high magnetic field (like those at checkouts) can affect the immo chip.

[M12MKD]

Its possible, the old man is not techno friendly!!!

[PastyBoy]

I don't suppose you know if its a bummer of a job to change?

Honestly mike I dunno.

The car was still under warranty so I just took it back and they fixed it

[Dox]

Tried the spare key?

[rwbaldwin]

The first thing I'd do is replace relay 109 (ECU power relay)

[@Lee]

Tried the spare key?

did you not read this from the first post?

[M12MKD]

The first thing I'd do is replace relay 109 (ECU power relay)

 I've read this could cause this issue. Any its a cheap fix, I'll have to get a copy of manual as I've no idea where that is.

 

 

Honestly mike I dunno.

The car was still under warranty so I just took it back and they fixed it

Cheers sadly no warranty (well just run out of the warranty is came with), but from a quick bit of searching its a bit of a job to do.....looks like my weekends booked up!!

[rwbaldwin]

Take a look at the pictures in http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/177453-leaking-rear-washer-pipe-might-have-caused-electrical-damage/#entry2138657 for relay 109

[M12MKD]

Take a look at the pictures in http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/177453-leaking-rear-washer-pipe-might-have-caused-electrical-damage/#entry2138657 for relay 109

Cheers for that. Going to try and swap the 109 today if the dealer has one.

Will see if that works, if not will try and get the ignition apart.......wish me luck! Any tips would be appreciated.

[M12MKD]

Got the ignition lock out in the end, really easy once you work it out.......bloody nightmare until you do.

 

Replaced the 109 and still doesn't work. I guess next thing to try is petrol and a match?

[Philip Coulson]

Try cleaning the earth points under the battery tray. That brought up some of the same fault codes on mine as you have.

[M12MKD]

Good news is I fixed it. Well kinda. The problem was caused by the moving parts in the middle of the ignition barrel. Lock is fine and so is the actual starting switch. But the bit in the middle that also operates the steering lock is broken.

 

Now all I need to do if find a repair kit for is, as I tried repairing with a bonding proxy but it broke.

 

Big thanks to all for your help.

[rwbaldwin]

It's good that you've found the fault. The lock barrel is fine so you won't need to go to the dealer to get one that matches the doors.

The part that is broken comes with a new switch and is around £60 retail incl VAT. Take a look on here for someone breaking an Octy and get a second hand part. You can then replace the lock barrel with the one from your existing lock.

You will also need a pair of new sheer bolts. They are about 50p each from a dealer.

[actionman39]

Probably dead ignition barrel

The one in my old PD130 Ibiza stopped working and had the same symptoms.

The barrel can't recognise the immobiliser chip in the key so thinks someone is trying to steal it and bangs the immobiliser on.

The barrel doesn't have anything to do with reading the immob chip in the key. The barrel is a mechanism for turning the ignition on. There's a transponder aerial that fits around the end of the barrel & this is what reads the immob chip so 2 totally separate parts that work together. You can remove the barrel, stick your key next to the aerial then put a screw driver in the actual ignition switch that fits to the back of the barrel & start the car