I flipped my DSG gearbox into tiptronic mode for the first time today as I thought that the engine was labouring slightly in 5th gear. Once in tiptronic I changed down to 4th and noticed that the mfd was showing 4 with an 'up' arrow. Changed back into 5th, mfd was showing 5 with a solid dot.

 

I know that the manual Yeti that I test drove had a gear change recommendation indicator but I wasn't aware that my DSG did as well. My previous car (Octavia 2 FL DSG 2010) certainly didn't.

 

When was this new feature introduced? (couldn't find any mention of it in the manual)

 

First unexpected discovery in Yeti after 14 days! I'm sure that there will be more.

I use the manual option fairly frequently (useful for the steep downhill bits round here) but haven't noticed that mfd display.  I'll try it, next time out. 

He's right you know.

Spotted it yesterday. I was having a bit of a 'play' on my way into Halton.

.... I was having a bit of a 'play' on my way into Halton.

Careful, Clive - that's what Fred used to do, it seems

 

 

Brian

Hi guys,

Have 2.0L TDI, 6 speed , around town I use the triptonic excusively. I find that in Auto that it labours.

 

Local dealer suggested that  I use manual changes, + I don't like the idea of a diesel labouring, they are made to work.

When on the highway use auto excusively.

And does your Yeti make recommendations via the MFD while you're in tiptronic mode?

Had the car a few weeks now and overall I like the dsg but there are a couple of niggles.

Going downhill I have to brake quite hard at the top of the hill to get the gears to change down. I've read on here that the car is supposed to know when it is going downhill and change down gears accordingly but mine does not do that. Without touching the throttle the car will speed up and the gears change up as well so there is no engine braking. I can use the tiptronic but in that case what's the point of having an auto? I'm using the brakes a lot more than I ever did in a manual.

In 30mph zones the car can be in 6th and labour, but usually constantly hunts between 4th and 5th which is annoying.

Sorry, but when I'm posting the paragraphs are not appearing for some reason and I can't post from the main page I have to go into other posting options.

Hi guys,

Have 2.0L TDI, 6 speed , around town I use the triptonic excusively. I find that in Auto that it labours.

 

Local dealer suggested that  I use manual changes, + I don't like the idea of a diesel labouring, they are made to work.

When on the highway use auto excusively.

Don't want to sound negative, but as a manual box driver all my life, except when driving hire cars in USA, and the odd "loan car" now and then (or plenty of tractors with selector semi-auto 16+ speed boxes), then isn't that scenario described the exact opposite of why you would want a semi-auto in the first place?  I.E. To take the strain out of constant manual selections in urban driving, but still give you the option to remain in command in the extra urban environment?  Or have I had it upside down all these years?   Not to worry, whatever works for you I guess?

He's right you know.

Spotted it yesterday. I was having a bit of a 'play' on my way into Halton.

Tried mine yesterday. No arrow. Very rarely use anything but D.

Just done a shortish local run, mainly downhill and back up.  Tiptronic as far as possible, from near red-lining in 3rd to forcing auto over-ride down out of a grumbling 4th. Just numbers on the maxithingy.  No arrows, dots, flags, fairy lights or klaxons.  

Might it be something on this years build?

Who knows and does it really matter?

Anyway, to the point of my post....

Driving an auto is no different to driving a manual car.

Why do people tend to assume that an auto will always select the correct gear?

If driving correctly YOU choose the correct gear for the speed and situation.

For example, going downhill in a manual you would normally change down to an appropriate gear to maintain your speed with engine braking instead of using the brakes.

Why should it be different in an auto?

With the modern DSG gearboxes it is so easy to select the correct gear with the same result.

I flipped my DSG gearbox into tiptronic mode for the first time today as I thought that the engine was labouring slightly in 5th gear. Once in tiptronic I changed down to 4th and noticed that the mfd was showing 4 with an 'up' arrow. Changed back into 5th, mfd was showing 5 with a solid dot.

 

I know that the manual Yeti that I test drove had a gear change recommendation indicator but I wasn't aware that my DSG did as well. My previous car (Octavia 2 FL DSG 2010) certainly didn't.

This shows on my 63 Monster. I believe the Maxidot is informing me that speed and/or revs are such that I am now 'able' to change up if I wish, rather than recommending I do so? PB

The owners manual describes it (under the manual gearbox section admittedly) as a recommendation for fuel consumption purposes.

 

Personally I'd probably find it more useful as an indicator as to which way I should push/pull the gear lever (up arrow push up, down arrow pull down) rather than the method I utilised in my Octavia which was to think which way it should work and then reverse it.

 

Looks as though it's yet another small undocumented software upgrade made during MY 2013.

Hi CBF. Because it's an "Automatic" gearbox. If you have to use the tiptronic to change manually then what's the point of having it. Don't get me wrong, overall I like the DSG but as I mentioned it just has a couple of niggely querks. Probably it's best feature is the fact it has 7 gears so is very relaxed at higher speeds.

Had the car a few weeks now and overall I like the dsg but there are a couple of niggles.

Going downhill I have to brake quite hard at the top of the hill to get the gears to change down. I've read on here that the car is supposed to know when it is going downhill and change down gears accordingly but mine does not do that. Without touching the throttle the car will speed up and the gears change up as well so there is no engine braking. I can use the tiptronic but in that case what's the point of having an auto? I'm using the brakes a lot more than I ever did in a manual.

In 30mph zones the car can be in 6th and labour, but usually constantly hunts between 4th and 5th which is annoying.

Sorry, but when I'm posting the paragraphs are not appearing for some reason and I can't post from the main page I have to go into other posting options.

If you are referring to my post in the other thread re DSG then yes I did say the car knows if it goes up or downhill. It does however NOT automatically change down gears when going down a hill and I never said that either. It will only gear down when A it knows you're pointing downhill and B when you touch the brake.

As to the dash graphics I don't have them so this is a new addition.

Hi CBF. Because it's an "Automatic" gearbox. If you have to use the tiptronic to change manually then what's the point of having it. Don't get me wrong, overall I like the DSG but as I mentioned it just has a couple of niggely querks. Probably it's best feature is the fact it has 7 gears so is very relaxed at higher speeds.

The point of an automatic gearbox is, 99% of the time, to make driving more relaxing and take away the need to change gear manually all the time.

A DSG box still uses a conventional clutch, it's just operated by electronics and not your left foot, which makes it a very flexible piece of engineering and if you choose to change gear manually it is still effortless with no clutch pedal.

I am not saying that you should use manual gear selection all the time.

What I am trying to point out is that there are times when you can maintain better control by doing so.

Engine braking is more efficient and there is less wear on the brakes.

Driving down steep hills is just one example.

Driving on snow might be another depending on the circumstances.

Yes my 2013 model also has the gear indication changes on the MFD, it must be a late model change

As 900000 states the car will only change down when going downhill AND using the brakes. There is a stretch of dual carriageway near me which is a 70mph downhill approach to the M25. The car would change down once I touched the brakes at quite a high engine speed.

Diesels are designed to take loads. That means 'labouring' in petrol terms.

My ex-Yeti had loads more torque low down and would pull higher gears than a standard Yeti. It might feel like it is in the wrong gear, and remember to keep the CO2's down and the mpg as economical as possible the car WILL change up as early as it can.

If you are that worried slide it across to 'S'.

What is the point of using manual around town? You have an automatic. Use it :lol:

Now, out on the open road, that is a different matter, and I would always slip it across to tiptronic and use the flappy paddles. When on the motorway again back to 'D'.

Count yourself lucky that the MFD shows what gear you are in when in D & S. My auto Freelander TD4 doesn't, but you get s feel for which gear you are in, and I only have 5. But I have an old fashioned torque converter, and have grown to appreciate it.

I did roughly 100,000 miles in 2 DSG Skoda's and they are great boxes, so I have a little experience with them. The software in my 2010 Yeti was superior to the 2006 Octavia before it. That did not change down when going downhill and using brakes. My 2006 Freelander does.

I have the uo/down gear arrow on our ASG Citigo when in manual mode.

John

Read Johanns brilliant post on the "S POSITION" topic.

Kevin, my MY2011 CR140 DSG Yeti, has gear indicator but no magic arrows.  A change for MY2012 or 2013 then?

 

Guy

Annie's a D = MY2013 - see #10 above. 

Not sure I would agree that a DSG box uses a conventional clutch, it uses 2 multiplate clutches which work in sync with each other, and in effect with two seperate gearbox's, (wet clutches in the case of the 6 speed). I have driven cars with so called robotised clutches (Fiats and honda's) and they are horrible, very slow gear changes and the need to lift your foot off the throttle when it changes gear.  Conventional Automatics still use clutches to change gears.

Regarding changing down in downward slopes to maintain speed: I have noticed that when using cruise control this works. If I "drive myself" (without cruise control) I do no get automatic gearchange to smaller gear (have not tested the braking though, I always use manual mode)

Not sure I would agree that a DSG box uses a conventional clutch, it uses 2 multiplate clutches which work in sync with each other, and in effect with two seperate gearbox's, (wet clutches in the case of the 6 speed). I have driven cars with so called robotised clutches (Fiats and honda's) and they are horrible, very slow gear changes and the need to lift your foot off the throttle when it changes gear.  Conventional Automatics still use clutches to change gears.

Conventional in terms of friction plate/s and pressure plate.

The only difference is DSG has two and preselects the neighbouring gears.

I agree that Hondas first attempts were shocking! (CB400 auto for example) but their latest incarnations, eg the VFR1200, are absolutely superb. I rode one for a while and it was very odd not having a clutch lever, specially pulling up to a stop.

Every time, you think it's going to stall and overbalance.

Conventional automatics use a torque converter which is a fluid clutch