Oh just noticed - PD not CR - did they do a CR in the pre FL?

 

The earliest CR examples are summer 2010, before that they are all PD.....they were all CR's for sure from September 2010 onwards, .

I did see an Octavia vRS with a 170 CR engine, that was 2009 IIRC.

 

Thanks to ednw for muddying the water yet further.

 

I've been checking up on 1.6 Reviews, and some people are saying they're hugely uneconomical on the motorway and they're better on A and B roads, additionally they're happy to cruise at 70mph but don't expect much more or more acceleration.

 

I've never heard anything so bizarre. My old 1.8 Nissan even with a crippled oil fouled engine seems happy at any speeds, true, it feels like it's really working, but it will push 95 easily!  and I can get ~42mpg at 70mph on the motorway. Im now quite unsure about the 1.6.... 

 

It can't be that bad?

 

To those who have driven 1.6's and stock 1.9's without upgrades, what's the fastest you've ever had out of it? Not that I advocate speeding, of course, but sometimes when you got idiot jeep man behind up your tail, sometimes it's better to floor it to get to the gap and get out of the way. The same goes for those who when you're overtaking speed up, and when you pull back to the left, they slow down... or the ones that when you're doing 70mph, they race upto you at 80mph and box you in doing 71mph and prevent you from overtaking.... Yes, Im happy to be liberal on the throttle then.

 

Simon

I did see an Octavia vRS with a 170 CR engine, that was 2009 IIRC.

 

Ah.....the vRS is a slightly different kettle of fish. They gradually became CR from 2008 onwards......primarily due the the trouble the DPF's were giving on the PD170's in the vRS.

if your worried about the 1.9PD not being fast enough why not go for a 2.0PD 140 as there's not much issues with the 2.0PD 140 (oil pump issues relate to Passats and Superbs and does not affect the Octavia + there no DPF apart from 4x4 models)

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-59-Skoda-Octavia-2-0TDI-PD-140bhp-6-SPEED-SE-ESTATE-TEL-07896-755198-/201003116917?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2eccb82975

 

it's got it Bolero stereo so no need to mess around with Can bus gateways, guess the miles will be very high but its had quite a bit of major work done such as new turbo, DMF and clutch and recent timing belt done

What about the injector issues on the PD engines? Has this been resolved yet? I know VW did a recall, but are the replacements actually working OK?

 

I've just been for another test drive of the 1.6 FSI, and... quite upset now. Don't think I'll be buying it. Don't get me wrong, it's capable, but you stick your foot to the floor and there's nothing, no oomph, but there is a nice steady progression. My dad also noticed quite a few stone chips and believes the whole right side of the car was repaired, two wings, possibly even a new bonnet, some paint runs and he found the masking tape line. 

 

Oh well.

 

That was disappointing.

 

Im least disappointed in the bodywork, but I think he's right, if I had that car, I'd have been bored miserable trying to get it to go faster.

 

Back to the drawing board, and time to open up the 1.9PD and 2.0PD Skoda. Subject to information on the injectors.

 

Thanks

Simon

Edited 14 December, 201312 yr by sjdean

Injectors are only an issue with the 170 bhp version of the engine fitted to vrs models I believe.

I would have thought £8k would have got you a 3 year old 1.2tsi Octavia with lowish mileage.

 

Far nicer engine and incredibly economical for a petrol.

Injectors are only an issue with the 170 bhp version of the engine fitted to vrs models I believe.

 

as above the 2.0PD 140 is not affect by injector recall issues, as the injector design is different:

 

the PD170 uses piezo type injectors (made by Siemens) vs solenoid ones on the PD140 (made by Bosch)

What about the injector issues on the PD engines? Has this been resolved yet? I know VW did a recall, but are the replacements actually working OK?

 

I've just been for another test drive of the 1.6 FSI, and... quite upset now. Don't think I'll be buying it. Don't get me wrong, it's capable, but you stick your foot to the floor and there's nothing, no oomph, but there is a nice steady progression. My dad also noticed quite a few stone chips and believes the whole right side of the car was repaired, two wings, possibly even a new bonnet, some paint runs and he found the masking tape line. 

 

Oh well.

 

That was disappointing.

 

Im least disappointed in the bodywork, but I think he's right, if I had that car, I'd have been bored miserable trying to get it to go faster.

 

Back to the drawing board, and time to open up the 1.9PD and 2.0PD Skoda. Subject to information on the injectors.

 

This is good.......at least you are narrowing the options.

 

As mentioned, no injector issues on standard 2.0 PD140 or 1.9 PD105 Octavia's....only on the vRS PD170 models.  

I still really like the Octy, so Im going to have a look at a DSG boxed 1.9 PD 2006 37k miles elegance and compare to the petrol. 1.6 is just an abysmal engine. Surprised that it's BHP and torque matches mine! 

 

Alternatively, I could risk a DSG box 57 plate Passat SEL 170bhp. 

 

But now Im getting worried by turbo failure and oil pump problems. But I believe the 1.9 or 2.0 BKD coded engines are the best of the bunch, Im imaginging that the 170 bhp engines have been fixed once and for all with the recall (?) and of course not ruling out the newer Passat CR because as before £5500 for the Octy, plus a remap, and a Bolero a CAN Gateway and we're getting into silly money. Though the Octy Elegance does have front fog lights, climate control and parking sensors.

 

Could though get a much newer Ford Mondeo Ghia for the same price though and add an aftermarket double din radio. Also I can go and check out a Honda Civic and a Toyota Avensis to check over my prejudices.

I would try not to worry too much about something going wrong. If you look for them there are horror stories for almost every engine.

Someone already mentioned it but have you looked for a1.8tsi? They can be had in your sort of price range and is a real gem of an engine. Plenty of punch, but with good economy and super smooth. It's what I have and I think it's perfect for the octavia. Not too many horror stories about it either..,

I've owned a 56 plate 1.9 (105) diesel Elegance for two and a half years now and I must say, it's one of the most reliable and comfortable cars I've ever owned.

I can see that 105 bhp hardly seems appealing, but believe me, don't be put off by this. The way the PD engine delivers the power and with timely gear changes, the car is far from sluggish. In all the time I've owned it, I've never found it wanting when overtaking or joining a motorway.

Like you, when I was looking for a car, I also considered VW. I had considered Audi too. But for sheer value for money you can't beat Skoda. And if like me, you happen across a one owner well specced model, with a 1.9 diesel in the Elegance guise, you'll have a car which will have all the whistles and bells (climate control, rear parking sensors and much more), for several thousand pounds less than a comparible Audi or VW.

Coming from a Honda background, I took a massive leap of faith when I plumped for a Skoda in respect of reliability. But do you know what? My Skoda would knock Honda into a cocked hat. It's as reliable, if not more and benefits from a build quality that Honda could only dream of.

Good luck with your search for a new car & I wish you all the very best.

FP.

Edited 14 December, 201312 yr by flying pig

The injector issues didn't ever affect the PD140 engine in the Octavia which used Bosch solenoid injectors similar to those in the 1.9. Equally no 2.0 Octavia engine was affected by oil pump drive problems.

Just seen another horror of an Octavia.... 1.9 PD, battery not working. Probably very little wrong with it, used by an elderly couple who obviously did little mileage what with 32k miles when the car is 2005 vintage.

 

Every panel was a different shade, the fuel cap and the right wing looking a duller colour less vibrant than the roof, the doors and the right rear quarter panel. 

 

Very disappointing. They wanted £6k! No wonder it wasn't selling. 

There is a 58 plate Ambiente 1.9 TDI PD with 55k on the clock up at Lookers Manchester so should come with a warranty for £5979.

You could probably pick it for for a little over 5.5k.

 

I think in real world situations,  ie anything outside of 1st gear territory the 1.9 TDI would leave the 1.6 FSI in its wake and probably return another 15-20 mpg too. Have it remapped from 105 to 140 and its a great all rounder but check your insurance premiums first.

 

Alternative would be to hang on a bit and snap up a 1.8TSI. It would be a rocket ship compared to your Primera but more economical too. Not easy to find though unless you get lucky or are prepared to travel a bit. I did a 320 mile round trip twice to get my 4x4. 

I did see an Octavia vRS with a 170 CR engine, that was 2009 IIRC.

 

Thanks to ednw for muddying the water yet further.

 

sorry about that   what i meant to say when your used to driving a petrol the revs seem to run out fairly quick on the 1.9 (i went from a 1.6 98 primera) the car is well quick enough (just had the traction control light up on a yump up to my house - irish roads are pretty terrible)

 

the standard of secondhand cars over here is pretty terrible most seem to have everything wrong with them so your buying a repair job. i ended up going into a dealer and buying what looked like a bit of wreck but boy did the dealer come up trumps. the car looks great they also did the timing belt, rear discs pads wiper blades bodywork etc etc  something to do with skoda assured 2nd hand car.

 

anyway the i've had the 1.9 upto 120kmh easy enough  and i;m getting 49mpg on the short run up and down the road to town way quick enough in normal driving

(hoping i'm not muddying the waters further !

ed

Edited 16 December, 201312 yr by ednw

I got a 1.8 Primera which is no comparison to a 1.6 FSI.... The Primera pulls so much better.

 

Im disappointed with the second hand car market in England too. People keep talking about bangernomics and happily running sub £1000 cars for years... 

 

But, all the cars I've seen recently, OK they haven't been in the £1000 region, but they're all junk. 1.9 Skoda with mismatching colours for £6k.... That's a premium price in my book. a £4k 1.6FSI Skoda with some dinks (to be expected) but my dad noted some really bad paint repairs. Last year I saw an £8k passat with no boot carpet, a chunk out of an alloy wheel and a melted drivers door mirror, oh, and a badly repaired dash that looked like it had a bodged hole in it. 

 

Mmm. Quality.

 

That's just what I can see. What happens if I got a £1000 "banger"... no guarantees at all. Not only do I get a scratched car, but I could get to look forward to sorting out the brakes, tyres, exhaust and whatever else in the same year. Meh. Just not worth it in my book.

 

Simon

Edited 16 December, 201312 yr by sjdean