Heated front screen is available on both 

 

It is now, which really pi$$€s off those of us who wanted to have it last year and was told we couldn't.  

Residual values on petrol hatches for PCP purposes are Around £1k less, so approx 1400 quid when you consider the price difference in the 1st place.

Lots of owners of TSi vRS mkII have also reported dreadful trade in value offers from main dealers once past the 3 year old mark. I know for fact my local main dealer doesn't like to touch petrol vRS's, other than new as they say they dont have a market for them.

The mk3 does have lower VED and better fuel economy (on paper at least so it may help residuals).

I have the tdi vrs and love it to bits.

But my heart still says I should have got the petrol because,

More power

Better rev range

Better match for the Dsg if you're getting it

Proper exhaust setup rather than fakes

More power - oh wait I said that already

For me my head won as the tdi is a lot cheaper to run but next time? Maybe not, especially as you can get the heated screen which would be a deal breaker.

Edited 26 January, 201412 yr by gullyg

If youre remotely bothered about total cost of ownership the TDi is the only sensible choice.

You'll be looking at an estimated 15-20mpg difference between the two (thats going to be quite alot of fuel over a few years) and depreciation on the petrol will be heavier as they are less popular and harder to move on down the line due to their generally higher running costs.

The real problem I personally have with the vRS TDi (and this afflicts the MK2 variant I run at the moment but am getting rid of) is that it doesnt really go well enough comparatively to the petrol model to justify its vRS status, a little bit mouth and no trousers.

whilst it doesnt look as smart and probably doesnt steer or handle quite so well I ended up deciding to save myself a few quid and just get a regular 2.0 TDi 150, difference in performance isnt vast and does most of what the vRS does for less money....in Elegance spec its also in some ways arguably better equipped as standard too.

All a matter of opinion though.

35K miles in 5 years?  The OP could really save money by buying a nearly new car.    Could consider purchasing a 1 year old car (MkII FL) and keeping it for 2 years and then purchasing another then 1 year old car (MkIII) to keep for 2 years and so on.  The cars would always be under warranty and from the second car would be more up-to-date then a new purchase kept for 5+ years.

 

I constructed a spread-sheet a while ago that showed purchasing a 1 year old car every 2 years saved money over a new car every 3 years.  Used car averages 2 years old over ownership and new car averages 18 months, but both always under warranty.  Less money tied up in the car bought used and both worth about the same at trade-in as then the same age.

 

But I understand why some people want to spend the extra to have a new car; choose the exact spec., having the latest model immediately (in the case of the Octavia vRS), etc.

Good thoughts and input from all, thanks to all contributors so far

 

The vRS was an incentive from the wife for me to sell my 300ZX, which I loved. But we could never afford to tax and insure that and the family car, let alone fund the sub 20mpg.

The vRS works as a good compromise .... offering similar performance with everyday practicality. In terms of petrol costs alone, compared to the ZX, the petrol vRS is a saint !

 

Initially the plan was the diesel version as the MPG and VED figures made it very tempting .... however with my low mileage, I think the difference in pure running costs is not large as I thought, and add a cambelt change at 4 years with a TDi adds to the argument for the petrol .

Depreciation aside, as without wanting to sound flippant, that's not a major concern for me, I think the "full fat" version is a very tempting ... I am beginning to think if  I bought the diesel I would always have the niggle I should have got the petrol ... occasionally maybe the heart ruling the head is more fun, and we could use more of that in life  

Think we all know where this is going LOL....... Get the TSI, you know you want to- compared to the 300zx the tdi might be a step too far

Then there's always this if the vRS isn't enough.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/302434-mk3-octavia-vrs-petrol-300bhp-stage-2-coming-soon/

I'm moving to a vRS TDi after running RenaultSport's sports for 10 years (172,182,225,197) so I think I'm in for a bit of a shock performance wise.

However with a young family both practicality and running costs are a higher priority.

My cunning plan sees the vRS replace the wife's aging people carrier in 3 years whilst I go back to a proper hot hatch (Which with all respect even a petrol vRS isn't in comparison with the RS Megane's of this world). The wife is happy with this but she'd never take on the cost of a petrol vRS herself. The beauty of a diesel vrs is that I'll be cheaper for her to run than her Vauxhall meriva!

Although, when the PCP is 0% whats the point in tying your own money up in the car.

 

Did you factor that in on your spreadsheet ?

 

Regards

T

While I am not nor did I drive a VRS the petrol engines are great and I would if I could afford to run the TSI choose the TSI.

 

As far as residuals are concerned the MKIII is too new to know what that will be for each engine type. One of the biggest effects on residuals is desirability of the model and engine type. 

 

The car market is now getting to the point where 4 year old DPF diesels are about and issues are appearing especially on low millage cars  http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/279661-dpf-lifespan/

 

The DPF fear factor will start to affect diesel residuals, the AA say "DPFs are designed to last about 75,000 miles, but many, operating correctly, are achieving more than this."

 

The DPF must have been severely filled in my 1.2TDI Greenline Fabia when one of the injectors below part way through a regen and black grey smoke came out of the back of the car - and the regen light came on, needles to say I was towed in.  I replaced the 1.2 with the 1.6TDI that had no issues, except poor MPG.

For 7K/year I would surely go for petrol.

I would look at the following questions (Just to be transparent - I own a vRS TDi)

 

1. Once you own the "new" car, with better MPG etc, is there a chance your mileage will increase? (Wanting to use the car more, "test drives", MPG makes it viable for journeys etc)

2. I test drove both.... TSi was a different beast but I felt that lead foot syndrome would drop the MPG like a stone. Alternately, I can get 500 miles out of a tank in the TDi (mixed driving). Also, I couldnt help thinking that whilst the TSi hatch would be quick, it would still be out-handled by the same engine in the Leon / Golf or a tuning boxed TDi.

 

3. Are you getting the Estate or the hatch? Estate TSi's seem rare, but would likely depreciate more.

 

4. Is your dealer offering the same deal on the Tsi, or can you haggle more / less than the RRP difference?

 

5. How are you paying? If finance in any way, has the APR affected your figures? If you ordered before January, will the changed order stay on 0% PCP (if using it)

 

 

As others have mentioned, if "cost of ownership" has even come into your head..... get the TDi..... If you *really* want the Tsi, buy slightly used and let someone else take the hit

Sniperpenguin:

 

1. Not really, 7k is about max, more likely to be closer to 6K.

2. I am sure handling of either  version will be more than adequate  and the other cars don't offer the same level of space for when carting the family around

3. Hatch.

4. Same deal and difference of cost between the 2.

5. No finance.

 

TBH, as I plan to keep it long term, the residuals are going to be poor IMO anyway ...

it's been mentioned a few times about the DPF filter on the diesel engines as if its some sort of huge problem, its not on the cr. what peolpe are missing is thst the petrols have CATS, these can and will go faulty too at some point in there life. Then it was also mentioned that if your only doing short journeys then the petrol is the way to go, is there not a thread in mk2 sectoin about a huge engine failure due to short journeys as the cause. I think at the end of the day, it comes down to what car suits the person better if the cost's are so close.

Sniperpenguin:

 

1. Not really, 7k is about max, more likely to be closer to 6K.

2. I am sure handling of either  version will be more than adequate  and the other cars don't offer the same level of space for when carting the family around

3. Hatch.

4. Same deal and difference of cost between the 2.

5. No finance.

 

TBH, as I plan to keep it long term, the residuals are going to be poor IMO anyway ...

 

Thanks for the answers Mr Grump

 

Given the above (I assume you are a cash buyer).... I would be haggling *hard* against an ex-demo TSI with some miles on the clock. Dealers will be very keen to shift given the new plate coming up, and there are plenty of demo TSi hatches kicking about the dealerships.

There are 2 things with that tbh ...

 

1. unlikely to be my choice of spec, and certainly not colour.

2. SWMBO wasn't happy with that idea, as I suggested ex-dem before we looked, and she was most insistent it was new 

 

Most of the demos I saw weren't that much cheaper TBH, but that wasn't accounting for haggling.

 

Thank You all for your input   

 

Just phoned the dealer and swapped for TSi, carrying over the deal from the TDi so now we have:

 

Octy Hatch vRS TSi

Metal Grey Metallic

Kessy

Heated W/screen

Heated Washer Nozzles

Heated Seats

Sunset Glass

Spare Wheel

Double Sided Boot Covering

Black Pack

Amundsen

Canton Sound System

Colour MF DIsplay

5 Year Warranty

 

(and an approx. 20 week wait  )

There are 2 things with that tbh ...

1. unlikely to be my choice of spec, and certainly not colour.

2. SWMBO wasn't happy with that idea, as I suggested ex-dem before we looked, and she was most insistent it was new

Most of the demos I saw weren't that much cheaper TBH, but that wasn't accounting for haggling.

Thank You all for your input

Just phoned the dealer and swapped for TSi, carrying over the deal from the TDi so now we have:

Octy Hatch vRS TSi

Metal Grey Metallic

Kessy

Heated W/screen

Heated Washer Nozzles

Heated Seats

Sunset Glass

Spare Wheel

Double Sided Boot Covering

Black Pack

Amundsen

Canton Sound System

Colour MF DIsplay

5 Year Warranty

(and an approx. 20 week wait )

On a 0% deal?

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No 0% on vRS models as far as I am aware.

There are 2 things with that tbh ...

1. unlikely to be my choice of spec, and certainly not colour.

2. SWMBO wasn't happy with that idea, as I suggested ex-dem before we looked, and she was most insistent it was new

Most of the demos I saw weren't that much cheaper TBH, but that wasn't accounting for haggling.

Thank You all for your input

Just phoned the dealer and swapped for TSi, carrying over the deal from the TDi so now we have:

Octy Hatch vRS TSi

Metal Grey Metallic

Kessy

Heated W/screen

Heated Washer Nozzles

Heated Seats

Sunset Glass

Spare Wheel

Double Sided Boot Covering

Black Pack

Amundsen

Canton Sound System

Colour MF DIsplay

5 Year Warranty

(and an approx. 20 week wait )

Nice car, spec and the TSi is of course the one to have for the full vRS experience.

Being used to a 300ZX (assuming a twin turbo) its going to be positively efficient by comparison!

My ZX was an import, 2 seat SWB Slicktop NA V6 (all UK spec ones were 2+2 LWB targa top twin Turbo's) ... but it made no odds still a very thirsty animal !

Hurrah good choice!

My ZX was an import, 2 seat SWB Slicktop NA V6 (all UK spec ones were 2+2 LWB targa top twin Turbo's) ... but it made no odds still a very thirsty animal !

Can imagine, a good friend runs a 95 Twin Turbo manual 2+2 targa import running about 440hp (been played with and boost jetted)....when you can get the power down as its a bit lairy in the dry it makes most things feel and seem rather slow. V good fun.

There are 2 things with that tbh ...

 

1. unlikely to be my choice of spec, and certainly not colour.

2. SWMBO wasn't happy with that idea, as I suggested ex-dem before we looked, and she was most insistent it was new 

 

Most of the demos I saw weren't that much cheaper TBH, but that wasn't accounting for haggling.

 

Thank You all for your input   

 

Just phoned the dealer and swapped for TSi, carrying over the deal from the TDi so now we have:

 

Octy Hatch vRS TSi

Metal Grey Metallic

Kessy

Heated W/screen

Heated Washer Nozzles

Heated Seats

Sunset Glass

Spare Wheel

Double Sided Boot Covering

Black Pack

Amundsen

Canton Sound System

Colour MF DIsplay

5 Year Warranty

 

(and an approx. 20 week wait  )

Hi Not sure you will have the heated screen now ,its not a option on the TSI engine.  I was not able to add it when i ordered mine at the end of last year and as it happened I enquired today just in case it had changed for 2014 but no. :think: Its something to do with the loadings on the alternator i think.

Its on the options on the configurator ...

 

 

Edit . just had confirmation from the dealer order as listed accepted, Might be an idea for you to phone SUK if you really want it oct 2014 ...

Edited 29 January, 201412 yr by Mr Grump

Was looking in the current brochure and saw you can spec the heated windscreen on the tsi vrs but you also need to spec leather seats and heated seats I believe.