I struggle with the concept of a car that unless you are ragging the plums off it is as flat as a fart.

The Type R runs rings round any Fabia or Octy for handling and maybe ricing it around a track it is a quick car too, but there are too many real world driving situations where the Type R either can't hit Vtec (yo!) because of traffic etc and is infuriatingly wet or you have to drive it like an utter tool to get it to do what cars with forced induction do without breaking a sweat or embarrassing you by screaming about it.

I like it as a concept, but having driven a couple I could never bring myself to buy one.

Wasn't comparing Fabia's and Civic Type R's here, apart from where I say CTR handles much better. I have driven a CTR in anger as well as other Japanese cars with similar engine tech and didn't fall in love with any of them for the reasons I said above. Credit where credit is due though, I have yet to find a VAG car that comes close to the Civic for handling fun and driver feedback.

I prefer F.I to Vtec and if I can't have a turbo I want a V6 or V8, but the world would be a boring place if we were all the same.

I've also heard that a Fabia vRS is as fast as an M3 and can take a Mustang Like a King.....

I thought that was 2.0 fabia

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the brief time I've spent with VTEC was far more enjoyable than I find my diesel Ibiza these days, now that the torque thing has worn off. and a mk1 Fabia vRS with a map wouldn't have any hope of staying with the Ibiza

Hurrah! It's been a while since a good old " My mk1 Fabia Vrs is faster than ... " thread!

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How many of the Fabia boys have actually owned BOTH. A Fabia and a CTR or just had a 2 minute play in a CTR, not driven it properly then gone back to cloud 9 thinking the Fabia is a godly car with no rival!!

I have had both for long term, CTR has plenty of grunt low down for day to day pottering about. It's extremely rewarding to drive once you've got your head around vtec, but at the same time I was getting 37mpg out of it pottering to work!

It'll out handle and out brake the lard arse that is the Fabia vrs.

Horses for courses. My Fabia wasn't standard...far from it! But it was still not half the car the civic was in boggo form. You've just gotta see passed the stigma of them and not be a sheep sometimes.

I'm with these against the ctr I'm afraid. Quite a few years ago when the ctr came out my brother in law got one and I had a mondeo st200 which was remapped with a cat back. I thought it would wipe the floor with mine being a heavy v6 but stayed with him admittedly it was a straight line drag race. I then drove his and didn't rate it and he didn't rate mine we both thought each others was slow. Alot of it is you get used to your own car.

Had a type r up my arse a few month back on a dual carriageway, kept him behind me coming to a roundabout then gave it the big yuck fu off the roundabout in 3rd and left him for dead as he wasn't anywhere near being in vtec.

The brother in law now has another one and I drove it to the airport and back and still wasn't impressed. Had a play on the way to skeg with him in my fabia and sat on his bumper then when I was in front and drove mine very steady he commented saying he had to drive his harder than normal to keep with me. Each to their own I'm just not a fan but I drove a accord type r and really liked that

Crikey, I've read some **** in my time. Fantastically capable cars, in every sense of the word.

Had a type r up my arse a few month back on a dual carriageway, kept him behind me coming to a roundabout then gave it the big yuck fu off the roundabout in 3rd and left him for dead as he wasn't anywhere near being in vtec.

Cool story Kyle, you beat a car who wasn't ready for it, I did that with a Ferrari 458 the other day, beat him pulling out of Tesco petrol station, he wasn't anywhere near having a full tank when I done him!!

You lot must be driving unloved **** bucket civics because a well oiled one is not how you guys are describing them believe me.

Compare a standard type r vs a standard fabia vrs

Its like a mercedes vs. a marussia lolz

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Cool story Kyle, you beat a car who wasn't ready for it, I did that with a Ferrari 458 the other day, beat him pulling out of Tesco petrol station, he wasn't anywhere near having a full tank when I done him!!

I didnt describe it very well, he was right up my arse coming onto a roundabout and when we came off instead of letting him past when 2 lanes went into 1 I kept him behind me simply because if someone is going to sit on my bumper I like to try and hold them up. All the way way down this single carriageway 60mph average speed check read he was sat in my boot and kept coming out to see if he could overtake which he couldn't. It then went to 2 lanes approaching a roundabout and just to be a nob instead of letting him past I took the outside lane just to keep him behind me. The roundabout was clear so we went round it he was still sat on my bumper and as we took the exit I booted mine in 3rd and went across to the inside lane (we'd gone onto a dual carriageway) and pulled a decent gap and even came back into the outside lane to overtake a car and pull back in. I went from about 30 in 3rd to 70ish stuck it in 6th and he did come past me then as I was feeling rather smug about it. This guy was a aggressive driver that obviously tries to intimidate people into moving over so I'd be surprised if he wasn't ready as if I'd been him I'd of undertook him on the dual carriageway if he'd been blocking me like I had him. The point I was making was he'd of had to come off the roundabout in vtec to keep up/get past me. I'm not saying mine is faster I'm just pointing out mine was more useable, I came off the roundabout on power and was gone whereas he came off it not in vtec which allowed me to pull a lead which is why although vtec is a good setup and sounds the tits I don't really rate them on the road for examples such as this. I personally wouldn't want to drive everywhere in 2nd and 3rd incase someone wanted a play

I've had to adjust to driving the Octavia after being use to the Fabia, and thats still a turbocharged car. I should imagine going from a Fabia to a high revving n/a petrol will take even more adjustment, something your not going to get use to after a few spins round the block. They are totally different cars, and in reality the gap between them is going to be down to the driver more than anything else, they are not a million miles away (assuming the fabia is mapped). 

 

It's down to personal preference and use, I'd have the Fabia for having a hoon on the roads and economy for going to work in then have a CTR to smash round the track all day. 

I've also heard that a Fabia vRS is as fast as an M3 and can take a Mustang Like a King.....

 

I'm afraid this is incorrect. You require the 2 litre Fabia to take a Mustang like a King.

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Cool story Kyle, you beat a car who wasn't ready for it, I did that with a Ferrari 458 the other day, beat him pulling out of Tesco petrol station, he wasn't anywhere near having a full tank when I done him!!

I didnt describe it very well, he was right up my arse coming onto a roundabout and when we came off instead of letting him past when 2 lanes went into 1 I kept him behind me simply because if someone is going to sit on my bumper I like to try and hold them up. All the way way down this single carriageway 60mph average speed check read he was sat in my boot and kept coming out to see if he could overtake which he couldn't. It then went to 2 lanes approaching a roundabout and just to be a nob instead of letting him past I took the outside lane just to keep him behind me. The roundabout was clear so we went round it he was still sat on my bumper and as we took the exit I booted mine in 3rd and went across to the inside lane (we'd gone onto a dual carriageway) and pulled a decent gap and even came back into the outside lane to overtake a car and pull back in. I went from about 30 in 3rd to 70ish stuck it in 6th and he did come past me then as I was feeling rather smug about it. This guy was a aggressive driver that obviously tries to intimidate people into moving over so I'd be surprised if he wasn't ready as if I'd been him I'd of undertook him on the dual carriageway if he'd been blocking me like I had him. The point I was making was he'd of had to come off the roundabout in vtec to keep up/get past me. I'm not saying mine is faster I'm just pointing out mine was more useable, I came off the roundabout on power and was gone whereas he came off it not in vtec which allowed me to pull a lead which is why although vtec is a good setup and sounds the tits I don't really rate them on the road for examples such as this. I personally wouldn't want to drive everywhere in 2nd and 3rd incase someone wanted a play

 

Even cooler story bro.

I used to own an EP3 Civic Type R. Like what has been said; I'm not sure of the conditions of the Type R's which have been driven; but mine was brilliant.

Off vtec it still had enough pull thanks to well engineered gear ratios to make effortless progress; don't forget it's still a 2.0 litre engine in a car weighing 1204 kg's. Off vtec if I remember correctly they produce about 140 bhp; increasing to about 200 bhp on cam.

People keep referring to their lack of torque. However they rev so highly this isn't really an issue. I don't know the exact theory behind it but the higher a car makes power the less torque it requires (or something like that).

The Type R will go from 0-60 in 6.6 seconds standard; the Fabia vRS takes 9.6 seconds. I cannot see how a simple remap which gives 40 bhp more will knock 3 seconds off a 0-60 time.

My vRS TFSI has a stage 1 map and a couple of bolt on parts. With the extra 50 bhp my 0-60 time has dropped from 7.2 seconds down to 6.4 seconds. Even now in a straight line a Type R can be annoying until after 90 mph!

Regarding handling; sorry but with independent suspension all round a standard Type R will drop a modified Fabia vRS on the twisty's.

You have to learn to hang on to every gear in a Type R which may seem alien at first; but take these things to their 8400 rpm rev limit in every gear and they are quick cars.

After owning both a lift cam motor and a derv turbo both have positives and minus's

The revvy lift cam motor just makes you smile and smile when your in the mood for it (nice weekend car)

The diesel turbo has nowhere near the grin factor, but for the daily slog and pootering about the diesel wins.

In an ideal world you'd own both.

One for the weekday slog and one that makes you smile at the weekend.

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I'm gunna look through the owners manual in my brother in laws later as there must be a page dedicated to excuses as to why one loses in a race. I've never once heard of one being beat by something not just a fabia without the whole he was in the wrong gear or he wasn't racing or his nan died that morning so wasn't on the ball. I'm sure as a track car they are awesome but until I drive one or come up against one that impresses me that's my opinion on them. Incidently my nan had been given a check up at the doctors that morning and given a clean bill of health so that must of been why mine was quite sprightly that day

From what I can tell by reading this thread, which is inevitably turning into a "My Fabia vrs will beat a Civic type R" thread, it is apparent that not everyone can actually drive as opposed to just operating a vehicle. To get the best from any car, you need to adopt a different driving style as funnily enough, all cars are different.

 

I currently have 3 car all with very different characteristics:

 

Fabia VRS - Turbo diesel with lots of low down torque so to make good progress is best driven using low to mid rev range. Using all the revs is pointless.

 

MK1 Octavia VRS - Turbo petrol with reasonable low down torque, good for lazy acceleration and plenty of power up top. I tend to use mid to high rev range when I want to push on.

 

Rover 200 with MGZR 160 engine - This has the vvc stuff which is similar to the Honda VTEC. As long as I have 3000 revs, it'll pull and then when it gets to 5000 you make sure you're holding on tight all the way to the 7100 red line. This car I rag the nuts off and it's hilariously good fun

 

Out of the 3 cars the Rover is the most fun to drive but I wouldn't want to be driving it everyday. It's straight cut gear box makes it a bit loud. It'll out handle the other two hands down though.

The Fabia is good for economy and the torque shove is great for overtaking. Corners are scary though, I've never felt confident I'm gonna make it out the other side alive.

The Octavia is where it's at for me, which is why I've just bought another one. It's quick, the power is usable across the rev range and it handles well and is a very comfortable and refined car for getting you where you want to go. Oh and the boot is awesome, I reckon I could actually fit the Fabia inside it.

 

None of them will beat a properly driven type R though.

 

HTH

My missus has a golf gt tsi 170 (book figure says 7.6s to 60mph)

To drive it is an absolute hoot smashing it through the gears and laughing at how revvy the piddly 1.4 tsi pulls. Its quite fun.

Get up the higher gear in it and its strugglinh, revving its balls off and feels slow.

For a quick blast up a country road its ideal and makes you smile.

My 320d (book figure is 8s to 60) but in reality with the common rail engine and lack of rev band it bore's you to tears. Its not a car that you can have fun in. But on the motorway / just cruising it is bloody awesome. Munches miles like no other car i've owned.

Long trips we take the 320d, if i fancy a country road blast and a bit of fwd wheelspinning / revving madness i take the golf.

Much the same idea.

Revvy petrol for smiles per gallon

Boring derv for miles per gallon

Simples

Im afraid us folk who have resonable experience with a type-r are preaching to the wrong crowd. The civic is set up so much better than any of the hot hatches skoda churn out.

The reason i have a octavia vrs is because it has 5 doors, a good boot and plenty of room for 2 kids.. Not because its turbo charged

And sorry to disappoint you diesel fabia boys & gals.. Your 170/180bhp remapped fabs would not stand a chance if the civic driver went for it.

But skoda designed the fabia vrs to be a track weapon didnt they?

Rear beam

5 door

Diesel powerplant?

Im confused?

But skoda designed the fabia vrs to be a track weapon didnt they?

Rear beam

5 door

Diesel powerplant?

Im confused?

Hopefully some fabia owners will be along soon

Oh im awaiting a slating

Maybe a bmw comment here or there. Possibly a 320d 4 cylinder slating too

Bothered....not

Oh im awaiting a slating

Maybe a bmw comment here or there. Possibly a 320d 4 cylinder slating too

Bothered....not

 

I'll see your BMW and lower you a Rover