I overtook a gtr around brands in my Fabia

I don't think he liked the rain

Haa (:

They tend not to.

Spend less than a grand on a bike and you could have over 1000bhp per ton stock 

I've just tried that, seems my chipped ST has 667 Bhp per tonne??? but thats not with a fat barst*rd on it (92kg)  seems like in need to go on a diet

I've just tried that, seems my chipped ST has 667 Bhp per tonne??? but thats not with a fat barst*rd on it (92kg) seems like in need to go on a diet

I'm not following. Am i being thick? Haha

BHP/tonne is surely going to always be skewed in favour of a high revving petrol engine, maybe Torque per specific weight? Nm/t would give a better indication of the potential acceleration (Newton's 2nd law and all that)

The problem with that is that it'll favour diesel turbo's, which will then make them appear like they are amongst the fastest cars produced, which we all know isn't true.

Surely a better representation of potential acceleration would be a 0-60 time or 1/4 mile which have traditionally been used to guage performance.

The problem with that is that it'll favour diesel turbo's, which will then make them appear like they are amongst the fastest cars produced, which we all know isn't true.

Surely a better representation of potential acceleration would be a 0-60 time or 1/4 mile which have traditionally been used to guage performance.

Thats true!

0-60 is too slow though. Only just getting going in quick stuff.

0-120? 0-100?

I'm not following. Am i being thick? Haha

 

Got a Triumph Motorbike "ST" in his profile.

Got a Triumph Motorbike "ST" in his profile.

Ooh that explains then.

I was thinking of a fiesta ST haha.

Cant see that on mobile version (:

The problem with that is that it'll favour diesel turbo's, which will then make them appear like they are amongst the fastest cars produced, which we all know isn't true.

Surely a better representation of potential acceleration would be a 0-60 time or 1/4 mile which have traditionally been used to guage performance.

Except that in the real world, most similar capacity diesel engines accelerate more quickly in gear than their petrol equivalents. You cannot argue with the laws of motion unfortunately. You could argue that 0-100 would better suit a high revving petrol engine, but anything RWD has an advantage from a standing start; truth is all comparisons are flawed. Personally, if I want an idea of how strongly a car will accelerate in gear, then I'll look at torque/tonne; if I want an idea of its Vmax, then max power. They are after all only a guide, a snapshot number of the engines output at a single speed, hence Autocar's 30-70 though the gears is probably the most relevant.

Except that in the real world, most similar capacity diesel engines accelerate more quickly in gear than their petrol equivalents. You cannot argue with the laws of motion unfortunately. You could argue that 0-100 would better suit a high revving petrol engine, but anything RWD has an advantage from a standing start; truth is all comparisons are flawed. Personally, if I want an idea of how strongly a car will accelerate in gear, then I'll look at torque/tonne; if I want an idea of its Vmax, then max power. They are after all only a guide, a snapshot number of the engines output at a single speed, hence Autocar's 30-70 though the gears is probably the most relevant.

Needs to be a dsg diesel though.

Cos in the real world you're forever going through the box to keep it in the power.

Well, true; that's why ZF have invested so much effort in 8+speed auto boxes. A manual diesel is a bit tedious if you're on it a little.

Well, true; that's why ZF have invested so much effort in 8+speed auto boxes. A manual diesel is a bit tedious if you're on it a little.

It is. It needs to be more than 30-70 i think.

30-120?

Thats get rid of the standing start.

I'm not following. Am i being thick? Haha

The ST is a Triumph ST bike

The ST is a Triumph ST bike

Yeah . Got this now .

Not like me to think car before bike haha.

Especially when im tempted for an ST after the viffer (:

Needs to be a dsg diesel though.

Cos in the real world you're forever going through the box to keep it in the power.

I agree and disagree to a certain extent. Using the laws of motion will only get you so far as there are still lots of variables.

So many m in favour of real world terms. For instance my friend had a re-mapped fabia vrs and I had my mk1 golf, so naturally we had a race. My golf produced roughly 120bhp, my mates fabia had roughly 170bhp and about at least double the torque. Off the lights I'd have every time on a straight run it was closer but I'd say id edge it.

There are too many variables so everything that gets quoted is nothing more than an indication.

I agree and disagree to a certain extent. Using the laws of motion will only get you so far as there are still lots of variables.

So many m in favour of real world terms. For instance my friend had a re-mapped fabia vrs and I had my mk1 golf, so naturally we had a race. My golf produced roughly 120bhp, my mates fabia had roughly 170bhp and about at least double the torque. Off the lights I'd have every time on a straight run it was closer but I'd say id edge it.

There are too many variables so everything that gets quoted is nothing more than an indication.

Isnt the golf a lot lighter than the fabia?

Not forgetting diesels are heavy lumps arent they.

Of course but no 2 cars are going to be identical they all have strength and weaknesses.

Also if a diesel was quicker under acceleration than a petrol equivalent all car manufacturers would put all there resources into diesel as they are also more economical and usually more reliable. But the vast majority of performance engines are petrol based.

Just making a few points.

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Of course but no 2 cars are going to be identical they all have strength and weaknesses.

Also if a diesel was quicker under acceleration than a petrol equivalent all car manufacturers would put all there resources into diesel as they are also more economical and usually more reliable. But the vast majority of performance engines are petrol based.

Just making a few points.

Diesels dont have the same character as petrols though. If i was buying a performance car, it wouldnt be a diesel tbf.

Also. The thing about diesels being related to cancer doesnt bode well for them, but thats another subject

As you say though. Too many variables.

20-120 would give you an idea though would it not?

Just get a Fireblade. 200kg kerb weight, 180hp, £11,999= 916 bhp per ton. Plus a decent life insurance policy......

Lol I love bikes but I also know myself well enough to say that it would end up in certain death.

Just get a Fireblade. 200kg kerb weight, 180hp, £11,999= 916 bhp per ton. Plus a decent life insurance policy......

Oh yes!

And thats not the fastest bike around, at all.

Lol I love bikes but I also know myself well enough to say that it would end up in certain death.

You arent in a cage though. The cage makes you feel safe.

You know you're in trouble if you smash a bike up, so riding accordingly is a good idea haha

Yeah your right also it the fact that it's not just down to your own ability, most bike fatality's are caused by a 3rd person.

But you can't beat the adrenaline rush you get on a bike though.

Yeah your right also it the fact that it's not just down to your own ability, most bike fatality's are caused by a 3rd person.

But you can't beat the adrenaline rush you get on a bike though.

My dad road for years, on way to work riding his treasured Honda Goldwing and a guy who is still drunk from the night before pulled straight out on him at a T junction. Bikes aren't dangerous, its the other traffic on the road that makes it dangerous to ride!

Yeah your right also it the fact that it's not just down to your own ability, most bike fatality's are caused by a 3rd person.

But you can't beat the adrenaline rush you get on a bike though.

Unfortunately so, yeah.

And we stand out even less now theyve brought in DRL's for cars.

You cant beat it tbh, no. Been in some really fast cars, and itd be lovely to have one dont get me wrong. But id never give up the bikes.

Its a different experience and alot more of a thrill IMO.

Yeah I can imagine so. I've never rode a bike only off roaders, my mums ex used to be into his bikes he had Ninjas, Suzuki gzxr's and a 1200 bandit so I was lucky enough to have a few passenger rides and absolutely loved it but I could never trust myself.